The new receiver gloves they wear has changed the game for the track guys. Renaldo Neamiah (sp?) would be a hall of famer with the gloves they wear these days.
Michael Smith Player of the Year in Florida on a runaway Vote of over 18,000 voters
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Yes, this isn't an award.
No one said anything bad about Smith in this thread.
I get that. I am just saying that after watching Smith's tape I can see what the OP is saying. The kid is big and fast with good hands.
The issue here and with every @steel_curtain post is not Smith, but @steel_curtain and his misrepresentation and outright lying. It makes us all look bad.
Steel, liked seeing stuff like this in mid winter. Of course the usual Debbie's took their shots at you at a personal level. Very difficult to open this site anymore. Agree with BFree about you being a Pitt fan. The likes of Bama Boy with the million posts are nothing but a reactionary shtick that comes with the territory I suppose. Bama can take another sabbatical for all I care. But then I wouldn't know true commute times between downtown LA and North Bumf$&k California and such.
-the comical part is someone said a few Pitt fans were responsible for casting 18,000+ votes. There are what, 100 posters on this board that actually post? And probably less than 10% of them voted. I didnt even vote. Gotta love the fact he destroyed every other player in voting, and the 5 star Bama player wasnt even on the ballot. Although with under 1000 receiving yards, the Bama player didnt perform to be on the ballot.
The ballot had nothing to do with being a good football prospect. Literally nothing. 3 of the 4 are barely FBS prospects.
Kick your PITT obsession nitter and beat it... You ain't foolin' anyone....
Kid might be OK - cut him some slack that parents didn't tailgate with a cardboard JoePed cutout
-I just noticed Michael Harley got upgrade to a 4 star recruit and 123rd best player in the entire country, heading to Miami. Now that is funny right there since Smith and Harley not only played in the same classification in 8A Florida but were going up against some of the same exact teams on each others schedule.
Smith
6'2 215lb
4.4 40
1700 yards 26 TDs including playoffs
Harley
5'10 155lb
4.5 40
700 yards and 11 TDs including playoffs
-That is absolutely rich right there. LMAO at this recruiting ranking
Smith
6'2 215lb
4.4 40
1700 yards 26 TDs including playoffs
Harley
5'10 155lb
4.5 40
700 yards and 11 TDs including playoffs
-That is absolutely rich right there. LMAO at this recruiting ranking
The bias that is shown toward some of the universities by most of these recruiting sites is over the top. That said, your thread title did mislead a lot of Pitt fans. I do like this Smith kid alot though. I have to say tho, unlike many, I enjoy your bias toward Pitt and its recruits, we need more positive thinkers here.
One thing we agree on is our boy Paris Ford. I think he can be what Tony Dorsett was to our offense in the 70's. He has the ability and attitude to lead this defense and make it special in the coming years. We still need to add some players, like an explosive rush end, but as you have reminded us; The Duzz is upgrading speed and size throughout this roster, so I just think it is a matter of time before Duzz and Ford and Whitehead have this defense playing at a dominant level.
Most definitely not a Penn State fan. Also, it is not an opinion that this is a fan poll and not an award.
This exact same thing happened with Rafael Arajuo-Lopes and has been perpetuated ever since with people calling him a former AA, when it wasn't even close to true. That is why it is so frustrating.
-How are you talking trash on an offense that scored 41 points per game? How are you talking trash on Pitt receivers like Flowers and Lopes when Pitt's WR's put up 3000 receiving yards and 28 receiving TD's this year when all of you said Pitt's WR core was the weakest ever after Boyd went to the NFL. The offense was not weak. And the players you are talking about cannot be criticized when an offense performs that highly against a loaded schedule.
-Ive never seen a pair of Alabama fans hate on Pitt like you an badby do. Its comical.
I wouldn't doubt that Pantherlair voters were responsible for at least 17,000+ votes because there was a very active campaign on F&F to vote for him.
Wait a minute--you;re crediting a WR who redshirted and a guy who caught 3 balls for 36 yards for the success of our receiving corps last year?
I'm not an Alabama fan, far from it. I'm a Pitt fan and have been since well before you were around I suspect. I just believe Bama to be head and shoulders the best program in college football for the last 10 years, which makes me part of a pretty overwhelming majority of people who follow college football.
Lastly, let's get something straight--I'm never hating on Pitt--I am hating on you. You are the worst kind of poster, a would-be know it all who knows NOTHING about this game. Your "analysis" is limited to individual stats and combine measurables.
Wonder what you would have said about Antonio Brown when he came out of HS? 165-pound "Smurf" with 4.5 speed and virtually nonexistent receiving stats, since he mostly played QB in HS. We all know what you would do--You would put him next to Smith and talk about how there was no comparison-Smith is by far the better player. Bigger and with far better stats--he HAS to be better.
I love you dissing the PSU 5 star kid already. I seem to remember you bashing Barkley repeatedly as well. You're a real piece of work, I can't even imagine what you must be like live and in person.
-Brown was 186lb at the combine with a 4.47 40 with a low of 4.38 40 with a 4.2 shuttle and 34 inch vertical. Short. But an athlete. Anything sub 4.5 is great. Sub 4.4 is elite. Sub 4.3 rare. So he had plenty of bulk on him with those numbers. Not these little twig smurfs headed to Penn state and Notre Dame that can't break 11 in the 100m at 150lbs and claiming 4.3 speed like the dopes on those boards claim
That's the NFL combine. We are talking about kids coming out of HS.
-Two things on Brown. He ran track and the 100m in Florida making states. He is from Miami gardens Florida. And he ran a 10.54 100M, Which blows the doors off those Penn State recent commits track times. Exactly why I said recruit track stars with legit speed in Florida and when the light comes on its over for the defense.
Lolwat? I never said anything about Pitt's offense, let alone anything bad. I didn't mention Flowers or the Pitt Wars, beyond you and the idiots who called Lopes an AA. And he isn't a good player, but I didn't mention that. Being on a team that does well doesn't mean a single player is great.
I don't criticize Pitt. I am honest. You aren't. You are a liar at every turn and on every subject.
This x100. It is embarrassing to have Pitt fans associated with @steel_curtain .
Just because some key board experts claim a kid is worth a certain number of stars, couldn't be farther from the truth. Check out the list of actual offers for all of our 2017 class and I think we will all agree that we have about 6-8 players deserving of 4 stars or higher. The good thing is, it will be soon enough, they settle it on the field.
Lopes did make a JUCO All American team. And he does have some talent.
You really can be a jerk
So you're criticizing posters who "claim a kid is worth a certain number of stars" (of course, there isn't a single post to that effect in this thread, but I digress), while you personally assign these players that you've never seen play your own star rating?
Outstanding.
Smith is an enticing prospect with a lot of upside and and we all hope he is the next Odell Beckham, that's not what the thread is about. The OP posted misleading and exaggerated information, as he is well known to do, and some of us are calling him out on it. If dealing in established facts rather than what the fringe element wants the facts to be makes me less of a Pitt fan, I'm guilty as charged.
He did not. He was a California Community College state selection. It would be like calling the PA All State team the PA AA team or all ACC the ACC AA team. He was not a JUCO All American, which as you are showing, is a misnomer and 100% wrong. In fact, he didn't even play junior college football. He played community college football. And, yes, there is an enormous difference.
Being honest is sometimes perceived as "being a jerk" by people who don't like the truth. I understand that and I can accept that.
You often have the issue of confusing your opinion for fact. Junior College and Community College are the same thing. It's simply semantics. Not only is there not an enormous difference...there is no difference.
http://www.scout.com/junior-college-football/blip/CAJCFBLinks
The only thing funnier than Steel are the posters who cape up for him. The guy is a moron. Embrace it and laugh.
There is because of the program set up and division. He played at a small, regional CC, which does not produce players or compete nationally. He was not a JUCO AA. He was a selection for a California Community College conference, which is separate from the NJCAA, which does recognize JUCO AAs, has bowl games, and has a National Championship.
Here is the 2014 NJCAA All-American List
On that list you will recognize the actual JUCO AAs from the actual NJCAA programs. Guys like Chad Kelly, Alvin Kamara, Dede Westbrook, Lorenzo Phillips, etc. You will recognize heavily recruited programs like East Mississippi, Blinn, Mississippi Gulf Coast, Butler, Lackawana, and Cofeyville.
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Actually there is one difference, although it's a difference without a distinction for this discussion. In California, public 2 year schools are called community colleges, private 2 year schools are called junior colleges.
Lopes does have some talent, apparently not enough to see many reps for Pitt, but he has some talent. However, for sake of accuracy, he's a "California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA) All-American". That's basically all-California JUCO. Nice honor--but not an "All-American".
Don't subscribe to the Steel Curtain Ministry of Misinformation.
-Again, lets go by what was said earlier. The NFL ranks players by Athletic ability, Size, Speed, and Agility in the combine. Why are high school players that are 5'8 with 4.5 or worse actual 40 times ranked as 5 stars. This is the reason teams like Notre Dame continue to bring in Top 10 recruiting classes only to suck on the field, along with most SEC teams now a days.
-Let's again look at the NFL draft for instance. Every offensive lineman at tackle is at least at minimum 6'5 or 6'6 in height and most of them are 6'7. So why would a player like CJ Thorpe, a smurf, be a 4 star or 5 star player standing at 6'3.
-This is the Baylor strategy, get the fastest, biggest, best athletes to plug and play. It has worked.
-By the way, Ohio State was indeed in Florida trying to get Smith.
There are actually more schools in the CCCAA that have football programs than there are in the NJCAA. Nationally, (138) 2 year schools have football programs. 71 of them are in the CCCAA. So you're wrong again. The CCCAA is larger than the NJCAA as it relates to football. As a logical extension being a CCCAA AA player, is certainly comparable to being a NJCAA AA. Sorry to bring facts to the discussion.
Oh BTW, Aaron Rodgers is a CCCAA alum...so is Julian Edelman...
The CCCAA has more than 1/2 of 2 years schools who field football teams. There are 2 Junior College/Community College Athletic Associations nationally, the NJCAA and the CCCAA. The CCCAA fields 71 football teams and the NJCAA fields 67 football teams. Being a CCCAA AA certainly equates to being a NJCAA AA. Lopes had to compete against more players from more teams to earn his honor.
It certainly does not. Look at the competition and look at the programs. They aren't even close. The CCCAA is a much lower level of football. The CCCAA is not a national association, by definition. It is a single state, which operates a league that is far less competitive and produces far fewer top level athletes. For instance, Rivals ranks the top JUCO prospects every year. For 2017, 34 of the top 40 are from NJCAA schools. 82 of the top 100 (that is where Rivals stops ranking) are from NJCAA schools. For 2016, it was 79 of the top 100. The difference in the leagues is enormous.
That is great you have those two examples. The NJCAA has many prospects every single year. The difference is essentially FBS and FCS.
Your OPINION is duly noted. Rivals rankings are horsesh*t. They have Lamont Wade as the #1 CB and a top 10 national prospect. Every other site...not even close. I would bet that you've never seen a game of CCCAA football...probably haven't seen a NJCAA football game.
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