Mike Leach to Miss St

[thebadby2]

Bad fit. Will not go well.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Pound for pound, he may be the best coach in the country.

Good lord, not even you could possibly think that.

 

[cashisking884]

You are making excuses that Washington State is hard to win at. Pitt is hard to win at.

And he had ONE, not two 11 win season at Washington State. He did have one previously at Texas Tech - so 2 in 18 years.

The thing that gets him attention is his craziness - his record on the field at WSU is just not that good

Well that and he kinda helped invent modern offense.

What would a good coaching job at Washington State look like?

 

[cashisking884]

Bad fit. Will not go well.

I mentioned him because that was his immediate predecessor. Bill Doba didn't get a winning record his last four years before Wulff either.

They had a nine year bowl drought before Leach, who then took them to 6 bowls in the last 7 years.

Mike Price was their high point probably, very good coach. It's either him or Leach.

All time they're a sub .500 program overall, not just in conference. It might not be as hard as Iowa State or Boston College, but it's possibly the worst job in the PAC 12. Some guy named Jackie Sherril went 3-8 in his season at Washington State.

Washington State is insanely tough.
A fan base that is kinda meh.
No talent base.
And no airport close to campus to help make up for a lack of a talent base.

It’s Oregon State and Washington State as the two worst jobs in the PAC-12.

The only saving grace is that the PAC-12 don’t have much top tier capable programs. And the few it does have, which are UCLA, USC, and maybe Oregon, didn’t exactly have their act together for most of his time at Washington State.

 

[cashisking884]

If you don't play defense you won't beat many teams in the SEC. Personality wise, he's not going to mesh with their crotchety old money boosters.

Not sure how long he'll last, but I think he'll win 7-8 games a year and go to bowls.

People said a lot of the same thing about Dan Mullen.
“Northeast guy, doesn’t seem to fit into the south. Horrible personality. Defense is a concern.”

He worked out. That’s not to say it’s not true, but it can work.

It’s also not entirely fair to blame Leach for defense. Defense is so much more talent dependent compared to offense. He’s never been at a school that gave him much talent. So he couldn’t scheme his way out of it, but who can?

But he did hire an elite DC a few seasons ago. And that guy put together a very good defense for at least a season or two. Which is about the only consistency you’re going to get at a bottom level P5 talent school.

Leach is like Spurrier. He just needs to be at a job that will allow him to find his Bob Stoops.

 

[thebadby2]

Washington State is insanely tough.
A fan base that is kinda meh.
No talent base.
And no airport close to campus to help make up for a lack of a talent base.

It’s Oregon State and Washington State as the two worst jobs in the PAC-12.

The only saving grace is that the PAC-12 don’t have much top tier capable programs. And the few it does have, which are UCLA, USC, and maybe Oregon, didn’t exactly have their act together for most of his time at Washington State.

Washington, Oregon and USC have consistently been the best programs in the PAC for a couple of decades. Stanford deserves some mention for the Harbaugh-Shaw high water marks. UCLA hasn’t been a legit factor for a long time.

 

[BFo8]

He has coached 2 programs in remote outposts without great histories of success and has had each thinking about a NC in November. Pound for pound, he may be the best coach in the country.

This is one of your worst takes ever, and that’s saying something. He wasn’t even the best coach in the state of Washington, Chris Petersen dwarfs Leach.

 

[cashisking884]

Washington, Oregon and USC have consistently been the best programs in the PAC for a couple of decades. Stanford deserves some mention for the Harbaugh-Shaw high water marks. UCLA hasn’t been a legit factor for a long time.

I’d agree with that.
USCw was done for most of Leach’s run there.
Oregon collapsed the second half of his run, and I while I think they have one of the higher ceilings of the west coast teams, I still wouldn’t put them at a program that you just shake your head in bewilderment as to how you can possibly beat them if they get it going.
And Washington isn’t a program with an elite ceiling. You still have a chance against them even when they are at their best. Same thing with Stanford.

That’s what I mean. Washington State is a bottom two job in the PAC-12. But the distance between the bottom of the conference and the top tier isn’t as great as the distance between say Vandy and the top tier of the SEC. Because Stanford and Washington aren’t those kinds of powers.

 

[thebadby2]

I’d agree with that.
USCw was done for most of Leach’s run there.
Oregon collapsed the second half of his run, and I while I think they have one of the higher ceilings of the west coast teams, I still wouldn’t put them at a program that you just shake your head in bewilderment as to how you can possibly beat them if they get it going.
And Washington isn’t a program with an elite ceiling. You still have a chance against them even when they are at their best. Same thing with Stanford.

That’s what I mean. Washington State is a bottom two job in the PAC-12. But the distance between the bottom of the conference and the top tier isn’t as great as the distance between say Vandy and the top tier of the SEC. Because Stanford and Washington aren’t those kinds of powers.

I don’t disagree. I just took minor issue with your statement of who the haves versus the have nots are in the PAC12. UCLA has sucked for the last several decades. Washington has generally been very good for significant stretches of the same timeframe.