Miller - why???

[ScrantonicityIII]

Struggles just as bad if not worse?

You might want to take a look at his head coaching record going back to Xavier.

How many Elite 8s did Dixon get to again? How well did Dixon do with his highest seeds?

Miller's best teams had TJ McConnell running the point. Did Dixon offer TJ a scholarship? How many guards has Dixon had that were better players than TJ again? And this kid was in his back yard for 4 years.

The truth is unless Miller is hired, which is not going to happen, Pitt won't get a coach anywhere near as accomplished as Sean Miller, or with the potential to be that accomplished at Pitt, I guarantee that. You don't have to like the guy, he may even prove yet to be the total scumbag many on this board think he is, but he's one of the few real brand names in the college coaching business for a reason.

Miller is leaving Arizona in worse shape than Dixon left Pitt. That alone should give you pause. Dixon did better at Pitt with the resources available than Miller did at Zona. With all the benefits of being HC at Arizona, Miller grossly underachieved.

Take away Book and Miller suddenly looks more like Stallings than he does Dixon.

 

[ScrantonicityIII]

Personally, I prefer Hurley. I can’t see Pitt hiring Miller even if he wanted the job, but my point is we are not in a position as fans to turn our nose up at anyone after the season we just endured.

Again, get rid of the lonely guy in the bar thinking and hope for better. We don't need to leave with the fat chick with syphilis just because we are down right now.

 

[UPitt '89]

Personally, I prefer Hurley. I can’t see Pitt hiring Miller even if he wanted the job, but my point is we are not in a position as fans to turn our nose up at anyone after the season we just endured.

Once the FBI story broke, Miller lost his entire recruiting class.

He is recruiting poison right now.... A) He won't be able to pay recruits $100k checks anymore... and B) opposing coaches can negatively recruit against him like crazy ("He's about to go to be indicted, you want to go play for him?")

He will recruit for sh*t for the next few years. He was only able to recruit at Arizona because of the school's name and those $100k checks. And that was before every coach in America could negatively recruit against him.

He wouldn't be able to recruit here.

 

[upj87]

-This year is UNLV part 2 with the shark, when the feds and everyone else ruined UNLV's dream season. To many distractions buried this team.

play d, dribble pass and shoot...distractions smishtractions..somehow they were able to win a lot of games down the stretch and won their conference but now they are distracted by an investigation that incapacitates them in a game against Buffalo.... hahaha. never bought the whole lame "distractions" argument.

 

[ThePanthers]

I don't know why you guys do this with yourselves regarding Miller.

 

[upj87]

I don't know why you guys do this with yourselves regarding Miller.

ah, just wait until Buffalo goes to the elite eight or final and the pendulum switches back to Miller was not that bad and Pitt should grab him...these things change hourly around here...

 

[Harve74]

Did Dixon offer TJ a scholarship? How many guards has Dixon had that were better players than TJ again? And this kid was in his back yard for 4 years.

Well, uh, not exactly.

Miller didn't offer TJ EITHER. He GREW about 6-8 inches from when he committed to Duquesne and when he transferred and Duquesne wouldn't release him to Pitt once he decided to move on.

He's having a nice career but NOBODY thought thst would happen, even whrn he was st Duquesne.

So, a lot of revisionist history here.

 

[jtownknowitall]

The 76ers list McConnell at 6'2". How tall was he at Duquesne?

 

[BFo8]

Well, uh, not exactly.

Miller didn't offer TJ EITHER. He GREW about 6-8 inches from when he committed to Duquesne and when he transferred and Duquesne wouldn't release him to Pitt once he decided to move on.

He's having a nice career but NOBODY thought thst would happen, even whrn he was st Duquesne.

So, a lot of revisionist history here.

Revisionist history concerning T J definitely.

But not the part about getting results. Sean Miller certainly has more advantages at Arizona than Dixon had at Pitt, but Dixon at Pitt had more advantages than Miller did at Xavier.

At best they are similar coaches, neither seem to be able to get it done in March. That Xavier program might not be where it is today without Sean Miller.

 

[Harve74]

The 76ers list McConnell at 6'2". How tall was he at Duquesne?

He was variously listed at 5-6 and 5-8 WHEN HE COMMITTED to Duquesne in high school.

 

[thebadby2]

Well, uh, not exactly.

Miller didn't offer TJ EITHER. He GREW about 6-8 inches from when he committed to Duquesne and when he transferred and Duquesne wouldn't release him to Pitt once he decided to move on.

He's having a nice career but NOBODY thought thst would happen, even whrn he was st Duquesne.

So, a lot of revisionist history here.

There sure is.

My only real point is that we have posters arguing that Sean Miller achieved less than Dixon. That simply isn't true. Saying he did less with more is really only half true--because by objective measure, he has had better players, but he has also been a more successful coach than Dixon has been. No small part of the job is to get top players into the program. Miller did that, although it appears that he broke the rules--and got caught. Dixon didn't, and by the end Pitt had a roster that couldn't be competitive in the ACC. Every March we see mid-majors with better groups of guards than Dixon ever brought to Pitt.

I'm not even trying to make a case for Miller to Pitt, because I think that's pure fantasy . Either he's not about to get into a ton of trouble, so he has no reason to leave a good situation for a really bad one, or he is about to get into big trouble, in which case Pitt would never hire him.

 

[thirteenNINE]

Miller is leaving Arizona in worse shape than Dixon left Pitt. That alone should give you pause. Dixon did better at Pitt with the resources available than Miller did at Zona. With all the benefits of being HC at Arizona, Miller grossly underachieved.

Take away Book and Miller suddenly looks more like Stallings than he does Dixon.

Arizona next year has 6 scholarship players including no point guard and only one guy taller than 6-7. Which somehow seems familiar to me...

But yeah, Arizona has nearly unlimited basketball resources, 30 years of sustained winning, and a pipeline directly into Southern California recruiting. That Miller has lost in the first round two out of the last three years, barely can field a team next year, and may end up eating a show cause suspension for all of his troubles is some really subpar coaching at one of the top ten jobs in the sport.