NCAA Games in Front of No Fans?

[panther.fan]

Per the below article, due to Coronavirus- Players Association asking to play games in front of no fans. The NCAA (and some of the towns hosting) would lose a lot of money. Wonder if this will actually end up happening. Its not like games are being played in empty stadiums now in the US (although its happening abroad).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...tion-asks-no-fans-ncaa-tournament/4914636002/

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Some corona virus common sense math—

A substantial number of infected people are either non-symptomatic or get such a mild case they are never diagnosed with It since they don’t even see a doctor. Of those sick enough to actually be diagnosed 2-3% die but these are mostly the elderly and people with other illnesses and/or compromised immune systems—death rate for those over the age 80 who are diagnosed, for example, is about 15%.

All this means is that if you are a healthy person and get the corona virus your chance of dying from It is exceedingly small— well below the 2-3% figure because that figure is heavily skewed by not counting the undiagnosed and by the greater impact on the elderly and immune compromised.

 

[73CAV]

Some corona virus common sense math—

A substantial number of infected people are either non-symptomatic or get such a mild case they are never diagnosed with It since they don’t even see a doctor. Of those sick enough to actually be diagnosed 2-3% die but these are mostly the elderly and people with other illnesses and/or compromised immune systems—death rate for those over the age 80 who are diagnosed, for example, is about 15%.

All this means is that if you are a healthy person and get the corona virus your chance of dying from It is exceedingly small— well below the 2-3% figure because that figure is heavily skewed by not counting the undiagnosed and by the greater impact on the elderly and immune compromised.

You say that 15% number for those over 80 like it's a good thing, or a number that is acceptable. And, everything you said about the coronavirus stats can be said of the influenza stats, also. Reported cases are just that: reported cases. The big concern is the unknown.

 

[PittFamily2]

While flu is more widespread (by a factor of about 375), mortality is only something like 0.05%. Meanwhile, the mortality rate for conronavirus is north of 2.5%. That said, a lot is known about influenza and how to treat it. Conversely, little is known about the coronavirus. Hopefully, it won't be another Spanish Influenza, but no one should dismiss is lightly.

This new trendy named virus isn't going to kill healthy / normal people at any rate higher than the normal annual flu.
A lot of the deaths are sick people in China and others in China in very poor health because they have no HC.
Its a 24/7 cable news blockbuster and they'll ride this horse until it dies.
Meanwhile business as usual.
Everyone back to work.

 

[PittFamily2]

You say that 15% number for those over 80 like it's a good thing, or a number that is acceptable. And, everything you said about the coronavirus stats can be said of the influenza stats, also. Reported cases are just that: reported cases. The big concern is the unknown.

The unknown is always the question for anything and everything.

When the wife and I go heli skiing, after the copter drops the group off on a windy peak, the adrenaline rush is huge because of the unknown. Whats right in front of us and whats out there? Whats next?

People cant let that scare them into not living anymore and that's what the media is doing to most of the population who are scared of their shadows to begin with!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

This new trendy named virus isn't going to kill healthy / normal people at any rate higher than the normal annual flu.

All indications at this point is that your statement is 100% false.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

You say that 15% number for those over 80 like it's a good thing, or a number that is acceptable. And, everything you said about the coronavirus stats can be said of the influenza stats, also. Reported cases are just that: reported cases. The big concern is the unknown.

Just reporting facts. Nothing is good about the 15% for those over 80 and I don’t cheer it. I do think, however, that there is too much fear in part due to news media. The news media is doing what it always does—and I don’t imply any political motivation. But, the media always (and has always) fear mongered because it attracts viewers and sells advertising and pays salaries.

 

[cease10]

Seems like a publicity move for a group that I never heard of until today.

Also, they seem pretty irrelevant.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

All indications at this point is that your statement is 100% false.

Numbers on flu are reported at 0.1% overall death rate vs 2-3% for coronavius overall so that probably means for healthy normal people it would be higher than for the flu although no doubt lower than the 2-3% overall rate which is skewed by the higher rate for the elderly and other higher risk groups.

China, assuming they can be believed, is now reporting a death rate for healthy individuals at 0.9 %. That number seems consistent with the 2-3% overall rate which includes the vulnerable portion of the population.

 

[73CAV]

Just reporting facts. Nothing is good about the 15% for those over 80 and I don’t cheer it. I do think, however, that there is too much fear in part due to news media. The news media is doing what it always does—and I don’t imply any political motivation. But, the media always (and has always) fear mongered because it attracts viewers and sells advertising and pays salaries.

I agree. Fear is an inappropriate response. It leads to panic and poor policy decisions. However, a little judicious caution is warranted. Regardless of the demographic groups, coronavirus seems to have a mortality rate 50 times higher than the typical influenza, based on the figures I was able to find. And, they're probably skewed a wee bit by the fact that there is a flu vaccine available. Perhaps, simply getting everyone to wash their hands with warm soapy water more frequently than they presently do will be the low tech solution. Regardless, it's coming. I don't know how many will contract the virus, nor how debilitating it will be, but I do believe some preparations ought to be in place, and that 'worse case' scenarios have to be considered.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Numbers on flu are reported at 0.1% overall death rate vs 2-3% for coronavius overall so that probably means for healthy normal people it would be higher than for the flu although no doubt lower than the 2-3% overall rate which is skewed by the higher rate for the elderly and other higher risk groups.

China, assuming they can be believed, is now reporting a death rate for healthy individuals at 0.9 %. That number seems consistent with the 2-3% overall rate which includes the vulnerable portion of the population.

But the death rate for the flu is significantly lower for healthy normal people as well. The 0.1% is for all people, including the old and sick.

The simple way to look at it is this virus is at least 20 times more deadly than the flu, and it seems to spread just as easily if not more easily. Normal, healthy people don't have a lot to worry about. However, they need to worry about transmitting it to people who are at higher risk.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

 

[HOF Coach]

Look at the guy leaning on the mantel. I think Mulvaney just farted.

 

[HOF Coach]

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

A 2% mortality rate is the sort of number high enough that the Spanish flu killed more people than the first World war. It's critical not to let it spread, that's a very very high number for something millions or even billions could carry if we're not careful.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

A 2% mortality rate is the sort of number high enough that the Spanish flu killed more people than the first World war. It's critical not to let it spread, that's a very very high number for something millions or even billions could carry if we're not careful.

The regular flu kills almost that many. humanity is it’s only prey. It’s inevitable.

 

[ratking17]

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What a fool.

With coronavirus killing so many he needs to do his part to repopulate the species

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

The unknown is always the question for anything and everything.

When the wife and I go heli skiing, after the copter drops the group off on a windy peak, the adrenaline rush is huge because of the unknown. Whats right in front of us and whats out there? Whats next?

People cant let that scare them into not living anymore and that's what the media is doing to most of the population who are scared of their shadows to begin with!

I feel like you really didn’t have a point but just wanted to tell us that u and your wife go heli-skiing.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

The regular flu kills almost that many.

That is true, and that is also a worry. Any major flu can easily kill more people than a large scale war, yet we often avoid doing the simple things that can be done to prevent it (from washing our hands to paying people to take a few sick days.)

 

[4Mark_Marty]

That is true, and that is also a worry. Any major flu can easily kill more people than a large scale war, yet we often avoid doing the simple things that can be done to prevent it (from washing our hands to paying people to take a few sick days.)

Or stop going to wars

 

[PittFamily2]

Numbers on flu are reported at 0.1% overall death rate vs 2-3% for coronavius overall so that probably means for healthy normal people it would be higher than for the flu although no doubt lower than the 2-3% overall rate which is skewed by the higher rate for the elderly and other higher risk groups.

China, assuming they can be believed, is now reporting a death rate for healthy individuals at 0.9 %. That number seems consistent with the 2-3% overall rate which includes the vulnerable portion of the population.

The issue is this entire story is skewed to the negative.

How do you define healthy people in China? Most have terrible HC especially anyone in China living outside a big city.

I just heard the recovery rate from Corona Virus is accelerating so 45k people have recovered.

The mainstream media isn't reporting this or anything positive.


The US deaths and other deaths were people comprised with other health issues.

Only China is claiming the virus has killed healthy people and what can you trust coming out of China.

At the end of the day this will end up being a brand of the flu and will be no worse than this.

So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000.

 

[upj87]

Per the below article, due to Coronavirus- Players Association asking to play games in front of no fans. The NCAA (and some of the towns hosting) would lose a lot of money. Wonder if this will actually end up happening. Its not like games are being played in empty stadiums now in the US (although its happening abroad).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...tion-asks-no-fans-ncaa-tournament/4914636002/

some group none of us have ever heard before is calling for something that is not being advocated by folks who know more than they do.....got it.

that being said, the 1918 Pitt Football season was cut short by the Spanish flu. Which was much, much more deadly than this virus...

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

What a fool.

With coronavirus killing so many he needs to do his part to repopulate the species

 

[thom67]

some group none of us have ever heard before is calling for something that is not being advocated by folks who know more than they do.....got it.

that being said, the 1918 Pitt Football season was cut short by the Spanish flu. Which was much, much more deadly than this virus...

The Spanish flu was similar to coronaviris in regards to mortality rate. In USA, about thirty million were infected with about 500000 deaths.

 

[PittFamily2]

From a recent article.
"China’s infection rate of new patients with the coronavirus is now below that of those recovering. That’s a positive. More people are getting over the disease than are getting it in China."

Johns Hopkins website shows 45k recovered from the virus.

Roughly 89k with the virus, 45k recovered from the virus, 2-3 k died, more are recovering than getting the virus, but noone in the 24/7 cable media is reporting this stuff.
The media hates good news especially for this story.

 

[Franb]

some group none of us have ever heard before is calling for something that is not being advocated by folks who know more than they do.....got it.

that being said, the 1918 Pitt Football season was cut short by the Spanish flu. Which was much, much more deadly than this virus...

Why does anyone need to claim that this virus is more or less deadly than any other virus? The fact is that no one knows how deadly this virus will become - no one. We may have reached the peak, or we may be nowhere near it. Time will tell, but jumping to conclusions now is pointless.

 

[upj87]

The Spanish flu was similar to coronaviris in regards to mortality rate. In USA, about thirty million were infected with about 500000 deaths.

no it was not as we have no solid data on the mortality rate on this current virus other that what a close society is telling us.....there is no way in hell we will have a 2% mortality rate from this thing in the US.

 

[PittFamily2]

The recovery rate of 45k people is big and the news from China that more are recovering than getting the virus that's also good news.
But the media is silent on this one.

Health
Coronavirus Recoveries Overtake New COVID-19 Cases in China for the First Time, Health Officials Say
By Kashmira Gander On 2/19/20 at 4:33 AM EST

China’s Coronavirus Recoveries Surpass New Infections

Kenneth RapozaSenior Contributor

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

what can you trust coming out of China.

Apparently, at least for some people, this:

The recovery rate of 45k people is big and the news from China that more are recovering than getting the virus that's also good news.
But the media is silent on this one.

Health
Coronavirus Recoveries Overtake New COVID-19 Cases in China for the First Time, Health Officials Say

 

[Jeffburgh]

Some corona virus common sense math—

A substantial number of infected people are either non-symptomatic or get such a mild case they are never diagnosed with It since they don’t even see a doctor. Of those sick enough to actually be diagnosed 2-3% die but these are mostly the elderly and people with other illnesses and/or compromised immune systems—death rate for those over the age 80 who are diagnosed, for example, is about 15%.

All this means is that if you are a healthy person and get the corona virus your chance of dying from It is exceedingly small— well below the 2-3% figure because that figure is heavily skewed by not counting the undiagnosed and by the greater impact on the elderly and immune compromised.

I am not slamming you personally, but this is the modern day American mindset, just worried about me ...
Quareteening isnt just about whether individuals get it, its about people getting it and giving it to others. Sure people at these kinds of events are healthy adults by and large so if they get it, they most likely will have light sniffles or a bit of a cold.
What if they have a new humans infant, or work in a day care. What if they visit their grand parents or work at an elderly facility.
People are touting how China got a handle on it ... they instituted wide spread quareteening.
I am not saying we absolutely need to do that, but it isnt to be scoffed at if it comes to it.

 

[Jeffburgh]

This new trendy named virus isn't going to kill healthy / normal people at any rate higher than the normal annual flu.
A lot of the deaths are sick people in China and others in China in very poor health because they have no HC.
Its a 24/7 cable news blockbuster and they'll ride this horse until it dies.
Meanwhile business as usual.
Everyone back to work.

Bah, so what if it is highly lethal to toddlers and the elderly, they dont count ... big deal.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

People are touting how China got a handle on it ... they instituted wide spread quareteening.

Yeah, they did. Right after they let about 9 million people leave the area of the infection.

That literally may have been the worst example of a quarantine ever.