Obviously he didnt simulate or fake the slide, so this rule doesnt apply.
Its where he touches the ground first
NCAA rule on when the slide is initiated
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Obviously he didnt simulate or fake the slide, so this rule doesnt apply.
Its where he touches the ground first
You don’t need to run clock here. I don’t know why you can’t understand this. With two timeouts and 45 seconds they can go into victory formation and still run the clock out. So going out of bounds here is not stupid or smart. It’s irrelevant. What is stupid is not guaranteeing you got the first down first. Which he didn’t guarantee by sliding and letting the refs decide for him that he didn’t. Getting the first down, even by running out of bounds, after you past the marker, ends the game.
Exactly
But the horrid announcer crew claimed the ref was “right there” with the best view…
What a load of horseshit… we can see no ref anywhere near it to call it… on the damn tv
It’s just gaslighting bullshit
Refs are sacred cows… can’t ever question them
Bottom line
Does WF win without that call? No
Does PITT lose without that call? No
There’s your answer
I watched it more than a few times. And no, it doesn't show the slide beginning before the 1st down marker.
But it doesn't matter since we shouldn't have been in that position anyhow. If we didn't have some dumb s%$t on the team making a fool of himself and if we'd have performed as professionals are expected to perform, we would have been ahead by a couple of TD's and none of this would be relevant.
Why did you post the fake slide rule? CV did not fake the slide. Had he faked that slide, yes, he was short of the marker. But he completed the slide so then you go by when his first body part hits the ground? Right? Right? Bueller? How is there nothing definitive on this? Why wasn't it reviewed
Care to post this phantom rule?
The rule clearly says where his body first hits the ground. The fake slide rule says different, but has no relevance to this play obviously
Listen man. The kid is a pro football player. He's in his 3rd year of college football. Im assuming he played a lot of HS football and has been watching football his whole life. He made about as bad of a mental error as you can possibly make. Its ok to say that. It was an ALL-TIME blunder. The ref's call was bad but it shouldn't have come to that. This wasnt him sliding in the middle of the field. He was running towards the marker. There was no need to slide that early. My best guess is he was trying to stay in bounds, which was irrelevant since the gaining a few more yards and running out of bounds ends the game.
“Any time a ball carrier begins, simulates, or fakes a feet-first slide, the ball should be declared dead by the on field officials at that point. The intent of the rule is player safety, and the objective is to give a ball carrier an option to end the play by sliding feet first and to avoid contact.”
sports.yahoo.com
NCAA instructs officials to more strictly enforce slide rule after Kenny Pickett fake slides to TD
Don't expect any Kenny Pickett copycats to work out.
sports.yahoo.com
Who?
Christian made the right play, you are taught to go down in bounds to run the clock.
Not only did the refs screw it up, and called it wrong, but the clock person stopped the clock and didnt run it even though supposedly it wasnt a first down.
Cant fault Christian for the ref not knowing the rule
The problem is I don’t see a lot of clarity around what constitutes “begins”.“Any time a ball carrier begins, simulates, or fakes a feet-first slide, the ball should be declared dead by the on field officials at that point. The intent of the rule is player safety, and the objective is to give a ball carrier an option to end the play by sliding feet first and to avoid contact.”
NCAA instructs officials to more strictly enforce slide rule after Kenny Pickett fake slides to TD
Don't expect any Kenny Pickett copycats to work out.
To me there is the beginning of the slide, and are the stutter steps to prep for it. It’s some point in there, but to me they market it at the split second his waist lowered.
I’ve seen it spotted before the knee is down, esp in the NFL. I don’t think that’s the interpretation.
True, begins is left up to the interpretation of the official.
I just hope the qb has learned from this and knows what to do in a future similar situation, especially on a third or fourth down play
WHAT?????!!!!!!!!
A 1st down ends the game. Had he kept running and went out of bounds, the game is over. It was an all-time blunder by CV. One of the 2 or 3 dumbest plays in Pitt history.
He doesn’t need to learn chit…he did exactly what he was coached to do…since little league. Not his fault the referee was wrong.
Here's the deal. That NCAA clarification was put in place after the KP fake slide. It is referring to a fake a slide. I agree that word "begins" leaves room for interpretation but context is important. That clarification is referring to a fake slide. Any normal slide, you go by when the body part hits.
Actually I don’t care for the sliding, with the new rule and in this particular situation you should be clearly 3 to 5 yards beyond the marker before you slide. Obviously he wasn’t
Now everyone is an expert on the new slide rule. The ref needed to know the rule more than us at home. First off…get in position.
That is the problem. Nobody is an expert including the officials. So don’t leave it up to their interpretation on the biggest play of the game
In neither case was this a “mistake” by the refs.
They’re doing what the conference orders them to do.
Favor certain programs. Screw others.
Until somebody (likely Vegas) comes to its senses and forces independent officiating with accountability, instead of good ole boy home cooking, this crap will continue
This is actually not the rule, as written, but after actually reading the rule online, I admit I am wrong and if does say if a ball carrier "obviously" begins a feet first slide“Any time a ball carrier begins, simulates, or fakes a feet-first slide, the ball should be declared dead by the on field officials at that point. The intent of the rule is player safety, and the objective is to give a ball carrier an option to end the play by sliding feet first and to avoid contact.”
NCAA instructs officials to more strictly enforce slide rule after Kenny Pickett fake slides to TD
Don't expect any Kenny Pickett copycats to work out.
When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except the hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses FR-62 RULE 4 / Ball in Play, Dead Ball, Out of Bounds possession of the ball as they contact the ground with any part of their body, except the hand or foot [Exception: The ball remains alive when an offensive player has simulated a kick or at the snap is in position to kick the ball held for a place kick by a teammate. The ball may be kicked, passed or advanced by rule] (A.R. 4-1-3-I).
When a ball carrier obviously begins a feet-first slide. Any time a ball carrier simulates or fakes a feet-first slide, the ball should be declared dead by the on-field officials at that point. (A.R. 4-1-3-III and IV
Still tough to see where it obviously begins. I would say when the slide starts, when the feet are in front of him. Plus, there was no good angle, so wherever the ref, that was 10 yards behind the play called it, whether he gave him a first down or not, probably would have stood on replay.
It is obvious that he would have gotten the first down however, and he went down to kill clock, not to save a hit, as no one was near him.
I am guessing you read what I wrote there. I am saying if it was a first down, it was the right thing to do. He should have dove not slide.
Why was sliding before the 1st down marker instead of getting the 1st down and running out of bounds correct?
Being in bounds or out of bounds is irrelevant. Yes, he should have dove. Or he should have ran on angle to get out of bounds, 2 yards ahead of the marker, which he easily would have made. Heck, if he wanted to, he may have been able to turn up field and go for 20-30 yards. He was trying to stay in bounds which was unnecessary because a 1st down ends the game
If you look at the first tweet in this thread it shows he was already into his slide and even with the first down marker
Ok. Found the rule from the actual rulebook. I dont like the rule but the refs were right and CV is an idiot. Can we teach QBs to dive instead? Is this that impossible? I promise you that no one is going to get paralyzed if QBs are diving instead of sliding for 1st downs. Its freaking football. There is inherent risk. Unless you see some LB barreling down on you, then dive.
3/10 @ A-35. Quarterback A11 sweeps to his right and goes into a feet-first
slide to give himself up. When he starts his slide, the forward-most point of
the ball is at the A-44, and when he comes to a stop the forward-most point
of the ball is at the A-46. RULING: Fourth and one at the A-44. The ball
is dead at its forward-most point when he starts his slide.
3/10 @ A-35. Quarterback A11 sweeps to his right and goes into a feet-first
slide to give himself up. When he starts his slide, the forward-most point of
the ball is at the A-44, and when he comes to a stop the forward-most point
of the ball is at the A-46. RULING: Fourth and one at the A-44. The ball
is dead at its forward-most point when he starts his slide.
Pause it. He CLEARLY starts his slide at the 16 yard line, a full 1 yard short. Its not even close. Im not even arguing that. Im arguing what the rule is. It does appear that the rule is he's down as soon as he starts the sliding process. If that's indeed the rule, he didnt get it.
You guys are acting like there were 20 seconds left or Wake had no timeouts.
We can sit here on a message board and play out those final seconds and conclude that we *just* would have made it with the kneel downs. Point valid.
But since the play started with 55 seconds, I can see being in the mindset that we didn’t want to stop the clock.
That’s also where the penalty hurt. If Wake just had one timeout, there wouldn’t have been a question of needing to stay in bounds.
So sure - it was not the optimal choice. But putting it in some category of all time bonehead plays isn’t true.
We can sit here on a message board and play out those final seconds and conclude that we *just* would have made it with the kneel downs. Point valid.
But since the play started with 55 seconds, I can see being in the mindset that we didn’t want to stop the clock.
That’s also where the penalty hurt. If Wake just had one timeout, there wouldn’t have been a question of needing to stay in bounds.
So sure - it was not the optimal choice. But putting it in some category of all time bonehead plays isn’t true.
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