He has a lot of potential. No doubt. Do not be surprised if MSU swoops in and lands him.
New Pat Signal - Grant Carrigan - TE
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When there was a lot of chatter about Syracuse, I posted and asked why would a TE want to play in a full spread with Babers at Syracuse. That still doesn't make sense to me.
Curious if you hear what my family from PR reported. They said he was told by the Pitt staff he was being brought in at TE and NOT as a OT prospect.
I go to a lot of Bishop Gorman games and admittedly never heard of Carrigan when he played there.
Quite an odyssey to go from maybe the best high school program in the country at Gorman, to a very low level, to a big step up at Pine Richland.
With that size and lack of TE speed I would expect him to be at a different position after he gets on campus. Maybe put on some weight and play DE. Wherever he plays on the field wish him the best of luck.
Quite an odyssey to go from maybe the best high school program in the country at Gorman, to a very low level, to a big step up at Pine Richland.
With that size and lack of TE speed I would expect him to be at a different position after he gets on campus. Maybe put on some weight and play DE. Wherever he plays on the field wish him the best of luck.
-He'll move to offensive tackle. This is Brian O'neill all over again.
I didn't complain. I was honest. You weren't trying to be honest. Getting letters from schools and no offers or real chance of those offers doesn't mean anything in the context of his pedigree or the difficulty of landing him. You straight up lied about him being a 3 star because he "hasn't played much", after saying he "was a 4 star." I mean come on.
If you actually watch his film and are excited about him as a TE? Great. Good to see folks actually forming opinions and sharing them. Let's have some good, honest discussion. We don't have to lie or be homers. Let's be honest AND cheer for Pitt. It doesn't have to be a one or the other choice.
I love how we can't question whether a player should be offered or not, because the coaches know best.....but when it comes to which position a player should play, posters know best. I'm telling you guys (and Peak has already said), the Pitt staff recruited Carrigan to be a TE, but 40% of the posters here already have him slated as a future OT. I guess these guys here know better.
You're honestly very negative. Here's a kid who was tabbed as the #3 TE and Top 150 player by 247 before his Junior year. His dad's job took them from Vegas and Bishop Gorman to a little school in the middle of nowhere and he fell off the face of the earth. Pitt's good fortune I would say.
None of us know. And that posted 40 time could be off as well. The fact that he's being recruited in to be a TE doesn't mean anything either, other than that's where he'll get his first crack at playing in practice. If his 40 time is really above 5, he may eventually be groomed to be an athletic OT. And if at some point the coaches ask him to switch, and he realizes that's his best chance at playing for us or beyond college, he'll embrace the move as O'Neill did. Happens all the time.
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Did you ever look at the so called "expert" recruiting gurus?
Most look like the are 20 years old and are only hired because they work cheap and can use software. Most look like they never played any sports!
I trust our coaches in player evaluations.
Both of these TEs look big and agile and will continue to grow out (maybe to an OL position) but that is too hard to tell at this point.
Most look like the are 20 years old and are only hired because they work cheap and can use software. Most look like they never played any sports!
I trust our coaches in player evaluations.
Both of these TEs look big and agile and will continue to grow out (maybe to an OL position) but that is too hard to tell at this point.
So many kids switch positions it doesn't matter what they're recruited as. The roster will fill up and they'll practice. Whether by need or it becomes clear a kids not cut out for a position they move around.
I hope this kid's the next Gronk but if that 5.18 time is accurate it's a pretty safe bet his future will look better at another position.
And if they're still recruiting Paulson and Reeves who knows what goes down. I know it doesn't sound likely Reeves is coming here but if he does they're not gonna turn him away.
I hope this kid's the next Gronk but if that 5.18 time is accurate it's a pretty safe bet his future will look better at another position.
And if they're still recruiting Paulson and Reeves who knows what goes down. I know it doesn't sound likely Reeves is coming here but if he does they're not gonna turn him away.
I think he is referring to Eric kasperowicz comments that those schools "were recruiting Grant hard". Sounded like it was true. Regardless, sure is a dumb thing to fixate on. Tape looked good and he played for 3 schools in 3 years, he has obvious good size, speed who knows it says the 40 time was November 2014. He isn't a burner but I don't think any of our tight ends are burners. I don't think we let reeves go to Syracuse if we can help it. Clark has major knee surgery and 2 senior itght ends on the roster. We had three targets that our coaches deemed they wanted out of all the tight ends we monitored and 2 of those 3 committed yesterday. Good job in my book
Narduzzi told Sear they're done with TE's for this class.
What 40 times are acceptable for a TE? Looking at the 2015 NFL draft, i see 40 times of 4.6 - 5.0...with Maxx Williams the top TE running a 4.78. If he runs a 5.1 and can block his ass, catch the ball within 10 yards of the line and can be a redzone threat at 6'7" and growing....I see no need to move him.
What 40 times are acceptable for a TE? Looking at the 2015 NFL draft, i see 40 times of 4.6 - 5.0...with Maxx Williams the top TE running a 4.78. If he runs a 5.1 and can block his ass, catch the ball within 10 yards of the line and can be a redzone threat at 6'7" and growing....I see no need to move him.
That's why the player's offer sheet is so much better as a measure.
The staff is bringing in WPIAL kids. If you play in the WPIAL and have any kind of talent, you're going to hear from this staff. That's a good thing and how pipelines get built. For all of the complaining about losing local recruiting battles, this is the kind of kid you take a chance on and build those local relationships with HS coaches.
Yes, his forty is pretty slow but "big" NFL tight ends run in the neighborhood of 4.9-5.0 at the combine. A lot of them skip the forty because they just aren't that fast. Pro-style offenses that are run heavy don't expect these guys to do more than block the edge, harass LB's, and catch balls in traffic so hands matter more than open field speed. Gronkowski is an exception, not the rule.
Just a guess but I'm betting Pitt sees him as another blocker on the outside.
Yes, his forty is pretty slow but "big" NFL tight ends run in the neighborhood of 4.9-5.0 at the combine. A lot of them skip the forty because they just aren't that fast. Pro-style offenses that are run heavy don't expect these guys to do more than block the edge, harass LB's, and catch balls in traffic so hands matter more than open field speed. Gronkowski is an exception, not the rule.
Just a guess but I'm betting Pitt sees him as another blocker on the outside.
Possibly but they could also see him as a blocking 2nd TE and good special teamer who could possibly exceed those expectations. Probably comes down to how much weight he gains. If he packs on the pounds and ends up at 280 or 290 after a couple years(completely possible) he probably moves to OT or DE.
Well, first, we dont know his 40 time now. We know he isnt a speed demon. If anyone thinks Heath Miller beat that 40 time the last few years they are insane. I read an article that tells high school OL and TE's to never run a 40, that it is not worth it, and if you are asked to to opt out. Same article also shows how much quicker a kid gets from HS to college through the specialized training they receive.
I completely agree. The staff recruited as a TE, and at WORST they can move him to OT later on after he puts on weight. Basically, there are many happy Pitt fans today that Pitt received a verbal from a massive local prospect except for the same few negative posters that ALWAYS complain about every recruit and every game and every coach... etc.
He had barely played at all at BG. Find tape, any tape of him from his sophomore year. He was rated simply because he was huge and on a powerhouse. However, there issue is mostly with the poster being completely disingenuous or straight up lying about things. It is a common theme here.
I'm not negative at all. I am honest and not worried about cowtowing to homers on here. There are a lot of good things happening with Pitt football, but there are a lot of improvements to be made, as well.
So as a sophomore being a back up to a TE that wound up at Notre Dame automatically ensures him he will be average and nothing more?
No, what it means is he hadn't played then and his ranking (which frankly isn't all that important vs his film and offer list) was essentially just based on his size and school. Then Pres Stacie tried to say his lower ranking based on his actual play was because of lack of playing, which wasn't true. And he tried to be disingenuous about his recruitment.
However, you can just watch the film and make your own judgement, but you have no desire to do that. What you want is a place to try to be funny and throw insults (which frankly are moronic and actually make you look odd IMO) and not talk football.
I just told you why he didn't play at Bishop Gorman, but go ahead and choose to ignore it, his first real playing time came at Weir HS of his junior year......Bottom line no one knows what this kid will turn out to be......I'll get a better feel when he plays his senior year at PR
Sorry I am not going to base an absolute opinion over hudl videos......if I am odd what the hell does that make you, with a put down of every recruit Pitt brings in and your diatribe on Pitt clothing?
I know why he didn't play there. I was the first one to discuss his lack of playing time as a sophomore and it was posted in this thread. Jesus.
What is an "absolute" opinion? Just have one you rationally come up with based on some criteria and individual thought. Otherwise, you bring nothing to the discussion.
I don't put down every recruit. We have lots of good recruits and players. Certain people think pointing out flaws of clearly lightly recruited players means someone is a closet Nitter on here. And I didn't go on a diatribe. I probably respond too much to moronic comments from people like you. I said I want nice clothing that would allow me to rep Pitt in almost any situation and Pitt doesn't provide many (almost 0) options to do that. That is unfortunate because most people I know are not going to wear t-shirts or hoodies around, especially not to work where people (unfortunately) spend most of their time.
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Pitt fans eating their own on a message board over two low rated TE's, which may or may not be justified. We need Sept 10 to come faster. #DominatetheState
Hey, I played OT in college and 5.18 was my forty time and I was considered "quick".
(That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
Mike Shanahan actually had a decent national ranking (about 730) and a handful of P5 offers.
We are not winning championships until we recruit better than we are doing now. I think it will get better each year, but so far not impressed
I seen many of these kids ranked ahead of Carrigan in WV last year play, and they are never getting a D 1 ship, this was and is a reach, hope we didn't need this ship
Got to trust Narduzzi on this one. He's not in the business of offering scholarships to stiffs. (Kind of wish he'd have left Sear for my other alma mater, though.)
This year has certainly been a significant regression from last year. I do think we'll land a few more big-time recruits, but this will likely still finish as being a fairly disappointed class - especially when juxtaposed to last year's class, which also brought about the expectation that we would piggyback off that.
The apologists will say we got exactly who we wanted and we saw something in these guys that other coaches didn't. It's as if they want to pretend that we didn't even go after the 4-star guys and they weren't considered higher priorities than the guys we're settling for.
Weird that every recruit we land is absolutely budding with potential, yet we continue to produce mediocre seasons more often than not. But I guess 1 + 1 = 7.
When I see an obvious troll like you taking time out of their life to post on another teams board...I wonder..."How pathetic is this guys life that he has the time and inclination to do this?"
