Next Year's Team

[gary2]

How I see next year’s team: We add Luther, Ellison, Kingsby and Golden. We lose Milligan and Boykins. You have to view that as a net gain.

I think we want to keep 10 or 11 players.

Luther(hope he stays healthy) – Stevenson (I think he comes around) – Ellison(less t/os than Frame) – Stewart – Carr. The starting five.

Brown (needs to get stronger- 6 rebounds last game) – Golden (more physically ready than bigs this season – will help with the little things) – Frame (instant offense?) – Davis – Kingsby (Hopefully better than Milligan) The second team.

Maybe Kene (he is playing a lot lately – 8 rebounds last game – will he find his shot?)

Peace and Samson have played the least.

We have no scholarships to give. I know we are recruiting Brandon Stone 6-11 and Bryce Washington 6-4 (and I like both) For a variety of reasons you have to accept Stone if he wants to play at Pitt. No question.

Our greatest needs are a physically ready to play big and another ball handler. Stone (at this time) and Washington do not fill those needs. I would substitute a player who fills either need for Washington.

Ideally we would add Stone, grad transfer big and another point (grad or hs). That would leave 3 or 4 scholarships for 2019.

That would require all of Kene, Peace and Samson to go (unless others who we want to keep decide to leave on their own)

I hate to see even more turn over happen after last season, but if it is possible to fill our two big needs, I can’t see how we can afford to walk away from that, plus we just have to take Stone if he wants to play for Pitt.

 

[FireballZ]

I'm sticking with my purely speculative view that JWF will not be back if things continue as they have.

 

[whirlybird optio]

How I see next year’s team: We add Luther, Ellison, Kingsby and Golden. We lose Milligan and Boykins. You have to view that as a net gain.

I think we want to keep 10 or 11 players.

Luther(hope he stays healthy) – Stevenson (I think he comes around) – Ellison(less t/os than Frame) – Stewart – Carr. The starting five.

Brown (needs to get stronger- 6 rebounds last game) – Golden (more physically ready than bigs this season – will help with the little things) – Frame (instant offense?) – Davis – Kingsby (Hopefully better than Milligan) The second team.

Maybe Kene (he is playing a lot lately – 8 rebounds last game – will he find his shot?)

Peace and Samson have played the least.

We have no scholarships to give. I know we are recruiting Brandon Stone 6-11 and Bryce Washington 6-4 (and I like both) For a variety of reasons you have to accept Stone if he wants to play at Pitt. No question.

Our greatest needs are a physically ready to play big and another ball handler. Stone (at this time) and Washington do not fill those needs. I would substitute a player who fills either need for Washington.

Ideally we would add Stone, grad transfer big and another point (grad or hs). That would leave 3 or 4 scholarships for 2019.

That would require all of Kene, Peace and Samson to go (unless others who we want to keep decide to leave on their own)

I hate to see even more turnover to happen after last season, but if it is possible to fill our two big needs, I can’t see how we can afford to walk away from that plus we just have to take Stone if he wants to play for Pitt.

I thought Stone was 2019.

Anyway, the problem with that team is that you simply don't have enough ACC talent.

If our starting 5 is Carr-Stewart-Ellison-Shamiel-Luther...those are bottom 5 players at every position compared to other ACC starters ((mayyybe Stewart is mid-pack as a SG, but probably toward the bottom)...and thats being kind and saying we could find 4 ACC PGs worse than Carr, or 4 ACC PFs or SF's worse than Stevenson, or Ellison. That's where those guys would line up, talent wise.

Now, can they develop..sure. Can they gel as a team and be overcoached compare to their talent..they had better. Because that team will be picked last again.

 

[gary2]

I thought Stone was 2019.

Anyway, the problem with that team is that you simply don't have enough ACC talent.

If our starting 5 is Carr-Stewart-Ellison-Shamiel-Luther...those are bottom 5 players at every position compared to other ACC starters ((mayyybe Stewart is mid-pack as a SG, but probably toward the bottom)...and thats being kind and saying we could find 4 ACC PGs worse than Carr, or 4 ACC PFs or SF's worse than Stevenson, or Ellison. That's where those guys would line up, talent wise.

Now, can they develop..sure. Can they gel as a team and be overcoached compare to their talent..they had better. Because that team will be picked last again.

Stone is a possible (maybe likely) reclassify to 2018.

I don't believe I slotted them into any position in the ACC standings. My earlier prediction has the overall record at 17-16.

I don't think the ACC (as a whole) is that good this season. If Pitt had even a few serviceable upperclassmen we could have supplemented with this fine freshman class, I think Pitt could have been very competitive for 6th, 7th or 8th this season.

 

[Jpripper88]

I thought Stone was 2019.

Anyway, the problem with that team is that you simply don't have enough ACC talent.

If our starting 5 is Carr-Stewart-Ellison-Shamiel-Luther...those are bottom 5 players at every position compared to other ACC starters ((mayyybe Stewart is mid-pack as a SG, but probably toward the bottom)...and thats being kind and saying we could find 4 ACC PGs worse than Carr, or 4 ACC PFs or SF's worse than Stevenson, or Ellison. That's where those guys would line up, talent wise.

Now, can they develop..sure. Can they gel as a team and be overcoached compare to their talent..they had better. Because that team will be picked last again.

I agree with this. I think the hope is that Stone can re-classify and that might help our chances to get him, as other places are tight on scholarships.

We know this whole 2017 class wouldn't finish at Pitt. The key is we only lose guys like JWF, Peace, Brown, Samson, and/or Kene and not Carr, Stevenson, or Stewart and to a lesser extent Davis.

No matter what happens, we likely aren't going to be picked higher than 13th or so and we are most likely to finish last again.

 

[tps48]

How I see next year’s team: We add Luther, Ellison, Kingsby and Golden. We lose Milligan and Boykins. You have to view that as a net gain.

I think we want to keep 10 or 11 players.

Luther(hope he stays healthy) – Stevenson (I think he comes around) – Ellison(less t/os than Frame) – Stewart – Carr. The starting five.

Brown (needs to get stronger- 6 rebounds last game) – Golden (more physically ready than bigs this season – will help with the little things) – Frame (instant offense?) – Davis – Kingsby (Hopefully better than Milligan) The second team.

Maybe Kene (he is playing a lot lately – 8 rebounds last game – will he find his shot?)

Peace and Samson have played the least.

We have no scholarships to give. I know we are recruiting Brandon Stone 6-11 and Bryce Washington 6-4 (and I like both) For a variety of reasons you have to accept Stone if he wants to play at Pitt. No question.

Our greatest needs are a physically ready to play big and another ball handler. Stone (at this time) and Washington do not fill those needs. I would substitute a player who fills either need for Washington.

Ideally we would add Stone, grad transfer big and another point (grad or hs). That would leave 3 or 4 scholarships for 2019.

That would require all of Kene, Peace and Samson to go (unless others who we want to keep decide to leave on their own)

I hate to see even more turn over happen after last season, but if it is possible to fill our two big needs, I can’t see how we can afford to walk away from that, plus we just have to take Stone if he wants to play for Pitt.

Unfortunately, this still looks like a bottom feeder ACC team.

 

[WillFerrell]

Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Four Out....... of the CBI

 

[mbrannagan]

Stone is a possible (maybe likely) reclassify to 2018.

I don't believe I slotted them into any position in the ACC standings. My earlier prediction has the overall record at 17-16.

I don't think the ACC (as a whole) is that good this season. If Pitt had had even a few serviceable upperclassmen we could have supplemented with this fine freshman class, I think Pitt could have been very competitive for 6th, 7th or 8th this season.

I love the optimism and hope for it, but 17-16 is going to be tough to find. It would require every player to level up, and that rarely happens, some improve, some regress, some get lazy, some move on. Though they have had good spirits for the most part, this must be demoralizing to lose this badly, this regularly.

 

[gary2]

I love the optimism and hope for it, but 17-16 is going to be tough to find. It would require every player to level up, and that rarely happens, some improve, some regress, some get lazy, some move on. Though they have had good spirits for the most part, this must be demoralizing to lose this badly, this regularly.

I am sure the coaching staff is armed with all the necessary inspirational sayings to combat that.

 

[gary2]

Stone is a possible (maybe likely) reclassify to 2018.

I don't believe I slotted them into any position in the ACC standings. My earlier prediction has the overall record at 17-16.

I don't think the ACC (as a whole) is that good this season. If Pitt had had even a few serviceable upperclassmen we could have supplemented with this fine freshman class, I think Pitt could have been very competitive for 6th, 7th or 8th this season.

ACC standings - Top 5 - Vir - Louis - Duke - UNC - Clem - Then:

Miami 3-3 14-4
Geo,T. 3-3 10-9

BC 3-4 13-7
FSU 3-4 14-5
ND 3-4 13-7
NC St 3-4 13-7

Vir T. 2-4 13-6
Syr 2-4 13-6

Everyone other than Miami has 5 or more losses with more to come. If we had been left with any foundation at all, we would be able to compete with that group listed above.

Perhaps 3 players that were even of bottom 5 ACC starter caliber would have been enough when combined with our incoming freshman class. It is a shame three years of terrible recruiting prevented us from taking advantage of this down year in the ACC.

 

[Jpripper88]

ACC standings - Top 5 - Vir - Louis - Duke - UNC - Clem - Then:

Miami 3-3 14-4
Geo,T. 3-3 10-9

BC 3-4 13-7
FSU 3-4 14-5
ND 3-4 13-7
NC St 3-4 13-7

Vir T. 2-4 13-6
Syr 2-4 13-6

Everyone other than Miami has 5 or more losses with more to come. If we had been left with any foundation at all, we would be able to compete with that group listed above.

Perhaps 3 players that were even of bottom 5 ACC starter caliber would have been enough when combined with our incoming freshman class. It is a shame three years of terrible recruiting prevented us from taking advantage of this down year in the ACC.

Compete with like in individual games? I agree. Compete with in terms of the standings? Not really.

 

[steel_curtain]

ACC standings - Top 5 - Vir - Louis - Duke - UNC - Clem - Then:

Miami 3-3 14-4
Geo,T. 3-3 10-9

BC 3-4 13-7
FSU 3-4 14-5
ND 3-4 13-7
NC St 3-4 13-7

Vir T. 2-4 13-6
Syr 2-4 13-6

Everyone other than Miami has 5 or more losses with more to come. If we had been left with any foundation at all, we would be able to compete with that group listed above.

Perhaps 3 players that were even of bottom 5 ACC starter caliber would have been enough when combined with our incoming freshman class. It is a shame three years of terrible recruiting prevented us from taking advantage of this down year in the ACC.

-Reread what you just wrote. You said the ACC is having a down year, yet Pitt still has lost every single ACC game by at minimum 14+ points. What is that telling you and where we currently are? Pitt is worse then Rutgers right now.

 

[DT_PITT]

I thought Stone was 2019.

Anyway, the problem with that team is that you simply don't have enough ACC talent.

If our starting 5 is Carr-Stewart-Ellison-Shamiel-Luther...those are bottom 5 players at every position compared to other ACC starters ((mayyybe Stewart is mid-pack as a SG, but probably toward the bottom)...and thats being kind and saying we could find 4 ACC PGs worse than Carr, or 4 ACC PFs or SF's worse than Stevenson, or Ellison. That's where those guys would line up, talent wise.

Now, can they develop..sure. Can they gel as a team and be overcoached compare to their talent..they had better. Because that team will be picked last again.

I agree with this, unfortunately.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Pitt is a cellar dweller as long as Stallings is the HC.

 

[whirlybird optio]

-Reread what you just wrote. You said the ACC is having a down year, yet Pitt still has lost every single ACC game by at minimum 14+ points. What is that telling you and where we currently are? Pitt is worse then Rutgers right now.

Exactly.

 

[gary2]

-Reread what you just wrote. You said the ACC is having a down year, yet Pitt still has lost every single ACC game by at minimum 14+ points. What is that telling you and where we currently are? Pitt is worse then Rutgers right now.

Then maybe you should re-read this part of what I wrote:

I don't think the ACC (as a whole) is that good this season. If Pitt had even a few serviceable upperclassmen we could have supplemented with this fine freshman class, I think Pitt could have been very competitive for 6th, 7th or 8th this season.

Or this part:

Perhaps 3 players that were even of bottom 5 ACC starter caliber would have been enough when combined with our incoming freshman class. It is a shame three years of terrible recruiting prevented us from taking advantage of this down year in the ACC

It appears some people read what they want to read and disregard the rest.

 

[Jpripper88]

Then maybe you should re-read this part of what I wrote:

I don't think the ACC (as a whole) is that good this season. If Pitt had even a few serviceable upperclassmen we could have supplemented with this fine freshman class, I think Pitt could have been very competitive for 6th, 7th or 8th this season.

Or this part:

Perhaps 3 players that were even of bottom 5 ACC starter caliber would have been enough when combined with our incoming freshman class. It is a shame three years of terrible recruiting prevented us from taking advantage of this down year in the ACC

It appears some people read what they want to read and disregard the rest.

No, I think most people realize the "3 serviceable upper classmen" would probably put us with a 4-14 ceiling and a finish like last year.

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

I am sure the coaching staff is armed with all the necessary inspirational sayings to combat that.

Just bring in Matt Foley.

 

[DT_PITT]

Just bring in Matt Foley.

He is thrice divorced, ya know!

 

[whirlybird optio]

No, I think most people realize the "3 serviceable upper classmen" would probably put us with a 4-14 ceiling and a finish like last year.

Yes.

What are "serviceable upper classmen"? Ryan Luther? If this team had 3 more Ryan Luthers and this freshman class we'd still be last.

You need either good players or good coaching. We have neither. And all those ACC teams ahead of either have one (FSU, Wake, NC St tons of talent now or coming in), or the other (VT, Miami, Virginia-coaching), or most actually have both.

We had a great coach, it overcame a lot of flaws. There's nowhere to hide right now for Stallings, he's not a good enough coach. And this roster is garbage.

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

We just need a few serviceable upperclassmen and some inspiring motivational speakers.

This thing is about to come together.

 

[TreesHero]

We can try to twist, stretch, and squeeze something out of this year's and next year's prospective roster in order to reach a goal of, say, finishing at .500 in conference, making the NIT, or simply getting 5-6 ACC wins. As far as I'm concerned, my focus right now is on development of the freshmen, continued improvement of the talent level of players coming into the program, and definitely not having any more disastrous classes that most of the prior three years had produced. If they do that, the wins will come.

I certainly welcome highly talented newcomers, but this program needs to rely on a good distribution of upperclassmen who've been developed at Pitt. Just with the additions of Luther, Ellison, Kingsby, and Golden, the overall talent/skill level of players available improves next year. Of course, one or two additional 2018 upgrades will also be welcomed. That is all in a positive direction. NO SLIDING BACK!!!

 

[gary2]

We just need a few serviceable upperclassmen and some inspiring motivational speakers.

This thing is about to come together.

All we need to do now is get this board behind it.

 

[Pittx9]

I'd have to guess JWF is more likely to leave than Kene. I think stallings really likes Kene. I seriously wanna gauge my eyeballs out every time one of his field goals or free throws go up in the air, but he seems to play hard and is a decent rebounder so idk if that's what you wanna drop from a possible 0-18 ACC team.

 

[TreesHero]

I'd have to guess JWF is more likely to leave than Kene. I think stallings really likes Kene. I seriously wanna gauge my eyeballs out every time one of his field goals or free throws go up in the air, but he seems to play hard and is a decent rebounder so idk if that's what you wanna drop from a possible 0-18 ACC team.

If a choice between the two were presented to me right now, I'd also keep Kene over JWF. Kene is difficult to get rid of because he has a decent wingspan, can move pretty well, and (for better or for worse) is the most coordinated of the big men who currently get minutes. It's too bad nobody corrected his back rim shooting target years ago, and it's likely difficult to correct at his age. Because of his quickness and length, he could be a much better rebounder if he gains strength and learns how to use his body.

 

[Pittx9]

If a choice between the two were presented to me right now, I'd also keep Kene over JWF. Kene is difficult to get rid of because he has a decent wingspan, can move pretty well, and (for better or for worse) is the most coordinated of the big men who currently get minutes. It's too bad nobody corrected his back rim shooting target years ago, and it's likely difficult to correct at his age. Because of his quickness and length, he can be a good rebounder if he gains strength and learns how to use his body.

I agree. One thing that concerns me about his shot though, it sounds like stallings is just ok with aiming for the back and keeps claiming he's a great shooter. No, he's really not. If it's too late to change it so be it. Lately he's been playing more of the game he should, if it's a wide open shot ok. Other than that though focus on rebounding and defense and offensively work on getting into the paint more.

 

[DiehardPanther]

We can try to twist, stretch, and squeeze something out of this year's and next year's prospective roster in order to reach a goal of, say, finishing at .500 in conference, making the NIT, or simply getting 5-6 ACC wins. As far as I'm concerned, my focus right now is on development of the freshmen, continued improvement of the talent level of players coming into the program, and definitely not having any more disastrous classes that most of the prior three years had produced. If they do that, the wins will come.

I certainly welcome highly talented newcomers, but this program needs to rely on a good distribution of upperclassmen who've been developed at Pitt. Just with the additions of Luther, Ellison, Kingsby, and Golden, the overall talent/skill level of players available improves next year. Of course, one or two additional 2018 upgrades will also be welcomed. That is all in a positive direction. NO SLIDING BACK!!!

Where exactly are we going to slide back to? We have hit rock bottom. There is no where else to go, but up.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

How I see next year’s team: We add Luther, Ellison, Kingsby and Golden. We lose Milligan and Boykins. You have to view that as a net gain.

I think we want to keep 10 or 11 players.

Luther(hope he stays healthy) – Stevenson (I think he comes around) – Ellison(less t/os than Frame) – Stewart – Carr. The starting five.

Brown (needs to get stronger- 6 rebounds last game) – Golden (more physically ready than bigs this season – will help with the little things) – Frame (instant offense?) – Davis – Kingsby (Hopefully better than Milligan) The second team.

Maybe Kene (he is playing a lot lately – 8 rebounds last game – will he find his shot?)

Peace and Samson have played the least.

We have no scholarships to give. I know we are recruiting Brandon Stone 6-11 and Bryce Washington 6-4 (and I like both) For a variety of reasons you have to accept Stone if he wants to play at Pitt. No question.

Our greatest needs are a physically ready to play big and another ball handler. Stone (at this time) and Washington do not fill those needs. I would substitute a player who fills either need for Washington.

Ideally we would add Stone, grad transfer big and another point (grad or hs). That would leave 3 or 4 scholarships for 2019.

That would require all of Kene, Peace and Samson to go (unless others who we want to keep decide to leave on their own)

I hate to see even more turn over happen after last season, but if it is possible to fill our two big needs, I can’t see how we can afford to walk away from that, plus we just have to take Stone if he wants to play for Pitt.

I am sticking to the speculative opinion that if we go winless in ACC play and their are no late 4-5 star recruits signed in the spring that Stallings will be fired regardless of monetary considerations. That outcome could have major implications for roster composition; so, i won't speculate on what the roster will look like.

 

[Jpripper88]

I am sticking to the speculative opinion that if we go winless in ACC play and their are no late 4-5 star recruits signed in the spring that Stallings will be fired regardless of monetary considerations. That outcome could have major implications for roster composition; so, i won't speculate on what the roster will look like.

Thing is, though, if they don't have a great candidate this spring (before they would fire Stallings) it might make more sense to just wait until mid season next year, so the recruits in November sign (they could ask out, but neither would have that many good options) and we have months of opportunity to zero in on a target.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Agree under that scenario. Pitt has provided far too many examples in recent years of firing coaches before they have a replacement lined up resulting in long drawn out searches conducted by search firms. These usually ended poorly. Lets hope that however, or whenever, there is a change made it is well planned and executed this time.

We can always hope that to quote Yogi Berra--it won't be "dejaa-vu all over again"!!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I was thinking this last night, "how are we this bad"? I am not talking bad, I am talking historically, like game over at the under 12 TO in the first half bad. Youth? Sure, but there have been young teams that manage to play better. Talent? Definitely, but we see lower level teams knock off an occasional top 25 team every once in awhile. Coaching? Sure, but we see bad coached teams get lucky sometimes.

I guess it is the combination of all three of these things. But my god, it appears hopeless.

As for next year, I think Peace can be gone. Samson too. I saw someone said JWF but where is he going to go?

 

[DiehardPanther]

I was thinking this last night, "how are we this bad"? I am not talking bad, I am talking historically, like game over at the under 12 TO in the first half bad. Youth? Sure, but there have been young teams that manage to play better. Talent? Definitely, but we see lower level teams knock off an occasional top 25 team every once in awhile. Coaching? Sure, but we see bad coached teams get lucky sometimes.

I guess it is the combination of all three of these things. But my god, it appears hopeless.

As for next year, I think Peace can be gone. Samson too. I saw someone said JWF but where is he going to go?

IUP

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I thought Stone was 2019.

Anyway, the problem with that team is that you simply don't have enough ACC talent.

If our starting 5 is Carr-Stewart-Ellison-Shamiel-Luther...those are bottom 5 players at every position compared to other ACC starters ((mayyybe Stewart is mid-pack as a SG, but probably toward the bottom)...and thats being kind and saying we could find 4 ACC PGs worse than Carr, or 4 ACC PFs or SF's worse than Stevenson, or Ellison. That's where those guys would line up, talent wise.

Now, can they develop..sure. Can they gel as a team and be overcoached compare to their talent..they had better. Because that team will be picked last again.

I agree with this. I think the hope is that Stone can re-classify and that might help our chances to get him, as other places are tight on scholarships.

We know this whole 2017 class wouldn't finish at Pitt. The key is we only lose guys like JWF, Peace, Brown, Samson, and/or Kene and not Carr, Stevenson, or Stewart and to a lesser extent Davis.

No matter what happens, we likely aren't going to be picked higher than 13th or so and we are most likely to finish last again.

We will be picked last unanimously for sure. But we at least have a chance next season.

This team desperately needs a true PG and a true center. Maybe we could address those issues with a grad transfer. Maybe Peace or Brown have rapid development. Even if not, though, this team has a chance

PG - Carr
SG - Stewart/Davis
SF - Ellison/JWF
PF - Luther/Stevenson
C - Brown/Peace/Luther

In year 2, I think you need Brown or Peace to be serviceable. They have to play the bulk of the minutes at the 5

 

[Jpripper88]

We will be picked last unanimously for sure. But we at least have a chance next season.

This team desperately needs a true PG and a true center. Maybe we could address those issues with a grad transfer. Maybe Peace or Brown have rapid development. Even if not, though, this team has a chance

PG - Carr
SG - Stewart/Davis
SF - Ellison/JWF
PF - Luther/Stevenson
C - Brown/Peace/Luther

In year 2, I think you need Brown or Peace to be serviceable. They have to play the bulk of the minutes at the 5

Has a chance to what? Win an ACC game? That team is still really bad at every position. Every. Single. Position.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We will be picked last unanimously for sure. But we at least have a chance next season.

This team desperately needs a true PG and a true center. Maybe we could address those issues with a grad transfer. Maybe Peace or Brown have rapid development. Even if not, though, this team has a chance

PG - Carr
SG - Stewart/Davis
SF - Ellison/JWF
PF - Luther/Stevenson
C - Brown/Peace/Luther

In year 2, I think you need Brown or Peace to be serviceable. They have to play the bulk of the minutes at the 5

Has a chance to what? Win an ACC game? That team is still really bad at every position. Every. Single. Position.

Taking development into account. Some players get better. Some players get a lot better. In a best-case scenario, I think it can be 6-12/7-11. Yes, I realize 0-18 or 1-17 is also possibe.

 

[Jpripper88]

Taking development into account. Some players get better. Some players get a lot better. In a best-case scenario, I think it can be 6-12/7-11. Yes, I realize 0-18 or 1-17 is also possibe.

I'd say the best case (where no one even reasonably productive leaves or gets hurt and EVERYONE takes the GLF) is about 6-12. I'd say the best realistic expectation would be 4-14 with it much more likely to be <3-15. Probably like <=1 at 15%, 2-3 at 50%, 4 at 25%, and >4 at 10%. And that is of course considering it is unbelievably hard to be so bad you only win 0-1 conference games. You have to be incredibly bad and incredibly unlucky. For >4 we would likely have to show incredible improvement and get lucky.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Taking development into account. Some players get better. Some players get a lot better. In a best-case scenario, I think it can be 6-12/7-11. Yes, I realize 0-18 or 1-17 is also possibe.

I think the hard decision will be for Lyke if Pitt does improve a bit next season. Let's say they win 5 or 6 games, so that's a substantial improvement. But it would likely be 3 straight years no postseason, and its not like the crowds are going to be great, you are still going to have as a figurehead of the program someone virtually no one in the fanbase wants as their coach. Is 11 wins in three ACC seasons not good enough? Would he get a 4th year?

I actually think the easier call is just getting rid of him after this year if we win like 0-2 ACC games. The money issues are there, but I think everyone can acknowledge the disaster. If we start showing signs of life though...then what do you do. Then she might be stuck an extra year or two with a coach she really doesn't want.