notre dame cheating

[Joe the Panther Fan]

But there was no way of knowing Ford's arm wasn't under the ball.

Whether or not Ford's arm was under the ball has nothing at all to do with whether it was a catch or not. The ball clearly touched the ground. For it to have been a catch Ford would have had to have had clear possession of the ball when that happened. Since the ball was obviously moving when it rolled over his arm and touched the ground he obviously didn't have clear possession of the ball.

If we want to argue about bad officiating decisions can we at least stick to the ones they clearly screwed up? Do we really need to pretend that something happened when it clearly didn't so that we can all feel persecuted by the mean ol' refs, again?

 

[perchance]

It is the interminable crying and moaning about the refs that has become insufferable.

 

[Las Panteras]

To suggest ND is getting calls to lure them into the ACC is ridiculous.

If anything...the opposite is true. And that is......Until you join the ACC and win our conference your chances of making the CFP decrease dramatically. By extension, the refs are going to screw ND to insure they stay out of the CFP as an independent.

Keeping ND OUT of the CFP only enhances the ACC champ's chances of getting in. There would be no incentive to "help" ND as long as they stay indy.....

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It is the interminable crying and moaning about the refs that has become insufferable.

At some level it's kind of funny that so many people who don't really understand the rules are so incensed by certain calls. At the North Carolina game the guys who sit in the row behind me were absolutely beside themselves at the end of the game when North Carolina got called for pass interference twice that the refs were totally screwing Pitt because pass interference is a 15 yard penalty and the refs didn't mark off 15 yards either time. Then it got even better when after the second call the one guy pointed out to his buddy that that one shouldn't have been 15 yards, it should have been half the distance to the goal. They couldn't believe how those refs could get away with cheating Pitt like that.

It never entered either one of their minds that in college football pass interference on passes less than 15 yards down field is a spot foul, not an automatic 15 yards. But they were completely sure that the refs were screwing Pitt, and they made sure everyone knew it.

 

[Pittx9]

At some level it's kind of funny that so many people who don't really understand the rules are so incensed by certain calls. At the North Carolina game the guys who sit in the row behind me were absolutely beside themselves at the end of the game when North Carolina got called for pass interference twice that the refs were totally screwing Pitt because pass interference is a 15 yard penalty and the refs didn't mark off 15 yards either time. Then it got even better when after the second call the one guy pointed out to his buddy that that one shouldn't have been 15 yards, it should have been half the distance to the goal. They couldn't believe how those refs could get away with cheating Pitt like that.

It never entered either one of their minds that in college football pass interference on passes less than 15 yards down field is a spot foul, not an automatic 15 yards. But they were completely sure that the refs were screwing Pitt, and they made sure everyone knew it.

That actually is laughable and I know the feeling of hearing people complain about things they don't know the rules of. However the only thing that needs to be noted is, complaining gets you nowhere, but does that mean we should just all keep quiet? The refs were a complete disgrace, why is it something people just ignore? Notre Dame is a really, really good football team, but they got many, many gifts today and that's undeniable. This really is a problem. Games all across the country are being screwed royally by incompetent officials and replay crews.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

However the only thing that needs to be noted is, complaining gets you nowhere, but does that mean we should just all keep quiet?

It doesn't matter if everyone keeps quiet or everyone bitches all the time about it. The ACC and the NCAA and the referees literally could not care less that Pitt fans on a Pitt message board are pissing and moaning about the refs screwing them again, for the 4,795 sporting event in a row.

I get that we all get mad when we think a bad call goes against us. Everyone, myself included, bitches about the refs at least sometimes. But we do need to understand that no one of any importance cares about our complaints. And we should all understand, although it's pretty clear that we all don't, that there is no officiating conspiracy set up for the purpose of screwing Pitt.

But by all means, keep complaining if that's what you want to do. Just recognize that the idea that the complaints have any chance at all of leading to any real, actual changes is somewhere south of 0%.

 

[thebadby2]

It is the interminable crying and moaning about the refs that has become insufferable.

Amen!

 

[Pittx9]

It doesn't matter if everyone keeps quiet or everyone bitches all the time about it. The ACC and the NCAA and the referees literally could not care less that Pitt fans on a Pitt message board are pissing and moaning about the refs screwing them again, for the 4,795 sporting event in a row.

I get that we all get mad when we think a bad call goes against us. Everyone, myself included, bitches about the refs at least sometimes. But we do need to understand that no one of any importance cares about our complaints. And we should all understand, although it's pretty clear that we all don't, that there is no officiating conspiracy set up for the purpose of screwing Pitt.

But by all means, keep complaining if that's what you want to do. Just recognize that the idea that the complaints have any chance at all of leading to any real, actual changes is somewhere south of 0%.

I agree with you but my point is, I say this in terms of the Pitt games because those are the games I watch devotedly and see up close. But when they are not on and I flip over to another game, I see more bad officiating. I know nothing anyone says will change it, but people are just writing it off like it's not a big deal. It is a big deal when Notre Dame gets everything that wasn't even debatable to go their way today, The Miami/Duke debacle was just that... a debacle, and then tonight Nebraska/MSU.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Believe me that I don't disagree with the notion that officiating in general seems to have gotten worse this season. Hopefully something will get done about that, but if it does it won't be because of fans complaints, it will be because the conferences review all the calls of all their games and hopefully if they see a trend in officiating they will react.

 

[domerlover]

If you are telling me you clearly saw the ball on the ground without Ford's hand under it then I am calling you a liar.

Yes, I clearly did. As did Chris Spielman and the replay expert that was in the booth with them. It is obvious that the ball pops out and rolls on the ground. At least you guys made it look better than it really was with a couple late garbage scores.

 

[domerlover]

Exactly, that is the key. Money is power and Notre Dame is the big money maker in NCAA Football. They bully conferences, make their own rules, and still get the benefits of being affiliated with a conference. Notre Dame is basically running a dictatorship on college football.

LOL! ND kicked Pitt's ass.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

It is the interminable crying and moaning about the refs that has become insufferable.

Yet you keep responding?

 

[Pittx9]

LOL! ND kicked Pitt's ass.

Yes, yesterday they did. Credit to that, Notre Dame is one of the top teams in the country. But what does that have to do with what I said? I was at the game, I know what happened.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

LOL! ND kicked Pitt's ass.

With your 4-posts, you're not even a ND fan.

Penn State? WVU?

 

[Pittx9]

With your 4-posts, you're not even a ND fan.

Penn State? WVU?

The refs must love giving dome too. Maybe he is one of the officials?

 

[Panther Parrothead]

To suggest ND is getting calls to lure them into the ACC is ridiculous.

If anything...the opposite is true. And that is......Until you join the ACC and win our conference your chances of making the CFP decrease dramatically. By extension, the refs are going to screw ND to insure they stay out of the CFP as an independent.

Keeping ND OUT of the CFP only enhances the ACC champ's chances of getting in. There would be no incentive to "help" ND as long as they stay indy.....

So you're saying that the ACC would rather not have Notre Dame as a full member?

 

[Pittx9]

So you're saying that the ACC would rather not have Notre Dame as a full member?

He's right that keeping Notre Dame out would help the ACC get in. But there's a very, very slim chance Clemson does not make it. So there's a good chance Notre Dame and Clemson are both there.

People can be blind to everything too, but Notre Dame has been invited to the BCS when they didn't deserve it, what makes anyone think the same won't hold true for the CFP? We already saw it happen in 2012 when because Teo had a fake dead girlfriend, they gave them the biggest gift of a victory against Pitt, not even a team that should've never gotten in the way of the #2/#3 team's route to the championship.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

ND runs college football, if you watch their games then you'll see how they dictate officiating. They should be forced to join a conference or not allowed to make a playoff game.

ND definitely runs the show, one of there many online bystanders(not a coach walked onto the field) and asked the back judge for an explanation... AND HE GOT ONE !!

 

[Pittx9]

ND definitely runs the show, one of there many online bystanders(not a coach walked onto the field) and asked the back judge for an explanation... AND HE GOT ONE !!

Thank you. That's what I've been saying. And btw Kelly is in Todd Graham territory when it comes to d-bag coaches. If I could post a pic from my phone here I would show you the picture I found of him in the parking garage bathroom yesterday and then what happened to it.

 

[IamHeisenberg]

They had to show that play at least what, six or seven times on the scoreboard at the stadium. And when my friend said that he couldn't understand why replay was taking so long I said it was obviously at least in part because they needed to get the spot and chains and game clock figured out because the pass was obviously incomplete. I don't know how anyone could watch all those replays on the scoreboard without knowing, not thinking, knowing, that the pass was obviously incomplete.

People ought to at least try to watch the games a little bit with their heads rather than just their hearts.

You should do the same. Because you pre judged it. If you go by the ruling in the field and look for conclusive evidence that something else occurred you did not find it on any of the replays. Sorry. No way that call should be overturned

 

[Pittx9]

You should do the same. Because you pre judged it. If you go by the ruling in the field and look for conclusive evidence that something else occurred you did not find it on any of the replays. Sorry. No way that call should be overturned

Exactly. The fact that they looked at the play almost as if there was no call to try and overturn or not overturn, is not what replay is. But again, we can let that one go. However, the non PI call on that same play was the biggest robbery of the many yesterday. He probably catches the ball without having to dive and may run into the endzone if that doesn't happen.

 

[echowaker]

Why I hate sports... Ridiculous

then why do you watch ?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

X9: Funny you're on the complaining end about yesterday, when in another thread you claim that ND didn't get the benefit of the officiating in its previous game. Why would THAT have been the exception?

 

[Pittx9]

X9: Funny you're on the complaining end about yesterday, when in another thread you claim that ND didn't get the benefit of the officiating in its previous game. Why would THAT have been the exception?

Mainly because I think the officiating this year has just been awful and it has a lot to do with Vegas. As I said, I was absolutely shocked there were times last week Notre Dame did not have everything go their way. Yesterday was more the norm, there's no disputing they get all the favorable calls every year. But as far as the Temple game, I really think that was just bad officiating. Calls went against Temple too that were awful, I'm just saying I was shocked that Temple got away with some things because that is never allowed against Notre Dame.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

X9: Funny you're on the complaining end about yesterday, when in another thread you claim that ND didn't get the benefit of the officiating in its previous game. Why would THAT have been the exception?

Ford's catch and no pass interference was ridiculous, game changer or not, both bad calls.
The relief I saw and heard, their sideline laughed, arrogance and back pocket bullshit at it's finest.

 

[Pittx9]

Ford's catch and no pass interference was ridiculous, game changer or not, both bad calls.
The relief I saw and heard, their sideline laughed, arrogance and back pocket bullshit at it's finest.

The non PI was an absolute criminal offense. As for the catch, you will not find anyone who has watched that play more than me. This is what I saw. He hauls in the pass, his knee hit, his elbow hit, he was laying on the ground, and THEN the ball moved slightly. As I said, in that situation there is no way you can overturn what was called on the field. Saying that was conclusive is idiotic. Not nearly as bad as the non PI call, but had they called that not a catch on the field, I don't think you could overturn that either. Point is though, the defender interfered, grabbed his face mask, did basically everything a defensive back is not allowed to do, and Ford still made a great "catch" if you wanna still call it that. I really think he catches it in stride and scores if not for another example of Notre Dame cheating.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You should do the same. Because you pre judged it. If you go by the ruling in the field and look for conclusive evidence that something else occurred you did not find it on any of the replays. Sorry. No way that call should be overturned

The ball touched the ground. Ford clearly did not have possession of the ball when that happened. Even if he had his arm under the ball when it touched the ground that does not mean that he had possession. If you think that was a catch then you are either watching the play with your heart and pretending that the ball didn't touch the ground or you simply do not understand what it means to have possession of the ball on a catch.

The call should obviously been overturned. Everybody who has commented on it except for a few Pitt fans agrees on that.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He hauls in the pass, his knee hit, his elbow hit, he was laying on the ground, and THEN the ball moved slightly.

And obviously touched the ground. Which is why it wasn't a catch. Do you not understand that having the ball touch the ground while moving when you go to the ground while making a catch means that the pass is incomplete? By definition.

 

[Pittx9]

And obviously touched the ground. Which is why it wasn't a catch. Do you not understand that having the ball touch the ground while moving when you go to the ground while making a catch means that the pass is incomplete? By definition.

He was on the ground already was my point. I'm not saying it was a clear catch, I'm saying nowhere have I ever seen a situation like that overturned. Mainly because it was the ground that caused the fumble, I don't know how you can say that is enough evidence to overturn it. Just like if it was called a no catch, no evidence to overturn that either. Regardless, that shouldn't have hurt us as bad as it did. The refs had no balls whatsoever and didn't call the most obvious of interference calls on that play. Not only was it blatant, but the guy clearly did it because Ford would've caught the ball in stride and probably ran into the endzone if he didn't grab him by the face.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

One to six plays did not decide this game, ND executed, was bigger, faster, and stronger and Pitt needed to play a Perfect game, and just missed on many bad bounces, missed sacks and dropped balls.

ND is a Top Ten Team and deserves recognition, respect, and Pitt has to learn to become better!

Coach Pat said it and knows it, and he do something about it, by recruiting better and coaching better!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He was on the ground already was my point. I'm not saying it was a clear catch, I'm saying nowhere have I ever seen a situation like that overturned.

For someone to say that they have never seen a play where a receiver goes to the ground while making a catch and the ball touches the ground while they are trying to posses it called incomplete or overturned if it was called complete on the field then I can only assume that you watch very little football. The fact that he touched the ground before the ball touched the ground has nothing to do with whether it was a catch or not, just like the fact that he may (or may not) have had part of his arm under the ball when the ball touched the ground doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it was a catch.

 

[Pittx9]

For someone to say that they have never seen a play where a receiver goes to the ground while making a catch and the ball touches the ground while they are trying to posses it called incomplete or overturned if it was called complete on the field then I can only assume that you watch very little football. The fact that he touched the ground before the ball touched the ground has nothing to do with whether it was a catch or not, just like the fact that he may (or may not) have had part of his arm under the ball when the ball touched the ground doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it was a catch.

It has everything to do with it. Hitting the ground and the ground causing the ball to come lose is never called a fumble, and rarely an incompletion. He clearly had the ball as he hit the ground, then it started to come loose. If they called it incomplete on the field, so be it. But there was absolutely no way to call that inconclusive towards reversing the call. But it's whatever, the real problem is if you can review that and take that long to see what really happened, why can you not simply say he did not catch the ball but their was blatant PI? Such a ridiculously dumb rule.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The ground can't assist with the catch.
PI isn't reviewable.
Just that simple .

 

[Pittx9]

The ground can't assist with the catch.
PI isn't reviewable.
Just that simple .

The ground did not assist with the catch, it was the reason the ball started to move. As for the PI not being reviewable, that is what I think is absolutely retarded in every way, shape, and form.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Hitting the ground and the ground causing the ball to come lose is never called a fumble, and rarely an incompletion.

The player hitting the ground and the ground causing the ball to come loose and hit the ground should always be called an incompletion, because that's an incompletion by definition. It gets ruled that way on the field all the time, and calls on plays like that get overturned by replay if it's called a completion all the time.

As I said before, it's like as if you don't know the rule. The rule is that if you go to the ground making a catch and the ball touches the ground without you having complete control of the ball it's an incompletion. The ball hit the ground. Ford obviously did not have control of the ball when it happened (even you admit that the ball came loose). By definition that pass was incomplete.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

As for the PI not being reviewable, that is what I think is absolutely retarded in every way, shape, and form.

They could make penalty calls like that reviewable if they wanted. Of course it would take about five hours to play an average game if we were reviewing potential penalty calls on every play, but they could do it if they wanted.

The fact that no one would go to or watch the games because they'd become as boring as heck might have something to do with why they don't.

 

[Pittx9]

Ford obviously did not have control of the ball when it happened (even you admit that the ball came loose).

Yes, he had control when he hit the ground and came loose after he was down. You're interpretation of the rule is correct, but that's not what happened. I don't know how you think you saw him not having control. It was not the same but almost similar to Fitz's catch in the Insight Bowl. Ford had control of the ball, but with one hand on each side of the ball almost. Enough so like that that there was space in between his hands that the ball could have hit the ground when he did. Which is what happened, and that's when the ball came loose, once his knee, elbows, and the ball hit the ground in that order.

I don't want to argue because I don't think it's a big deal considering the missed PI was so criminal. I really would not have been that upset if they called it a no catch and did not overturn it. But to actually overturn a call it has to be so obvious that one look and you'd be able to tell. They reviewed it for what seemed like an hour, meaning there was serious debate over what happened. I'm sorry, but if you look that long and haven't decided yet, it's not conclusive enough.

 

[The Loaded Italian]

People arguing that ND doesnt always get calls in crazy. Did ND deserve to win... yes... they played well. We also played well... and that catch, as well as the dozens of PI they missed, the holds, it is near criminal. Games do turn on calls. Even simple bad spots, which happened a few times. Luckily Narduzzi challenged one to get a horrible call overturned.

How anyone could watch that game and 1. not see the referees were giving every call to ND (disagree? name one) and 2. Know ND was the better team, befuddles me. However, as someone that took the points and Pitt, I know I personally lost money because of the referees.

#twonumber4sontheplay

 

[Marshall30]

They've been cheating since Rockne was there.