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I'm not sure why this is been brought to light again, but.....

This, from Dan Graf, of Fox Sports, February 13, 2016:

Less than a week after winning the Super Bowl in what could be the final game of his 18-year NFL career, an alleged incident from Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning’s past was brought to light in great detail Saturday.

The New York Daily News’ Shaun King published a 5,000-word story explaining sexual assault allegations made against Manning by athletic trainer Dr. Jamie Naughright while he was at the University of Tennessee in 1996. The story stems from a 74-page court document, and those documents were already written about (in far less detail and not fully released) by USA Today in 2003.

King’s story goes on to allege a cover-up by the school and then Manning’s family, but the most explosive part -- the one that stirred social-media attention Saturday -- was the description of the initial allegation from the court documents:

On Feb. 29 of that year, Naughright, at that point the university's director of health and wellness, was in a training room, examining what she thought might be a possible stress fracture in Manning's foot. At 6 feet, 5 inches, his feet dangled off the edge of the table. Manning allegedly then proceeded to scoot down the training table while Naughright examined his foot. At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked testicles and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head. Shocked, disgusted, and offended, Naughright pushed Manning away, removing her head out from under him. Within hours, she reported the incident to the Sexual Assault Crisis Center in Knoxville.

The Broncos, contacted by FOXSports.com on Saturday, have denied comment on the story, which – to be fair – was based almost entirely on old documents prepared by the alleged victim’s lawyers.

Manning reportedly denied the incident immediately, and the alleged victim's superior, Mike Rollo, said it was an accident that came about as a result of Manning mooning teammate Malcolm Saxon, who was in the training room at the same time. According to the story, Saxon refuted that version of the incident and wrote a letter to Manning imploring him to come clean.

Naughright agreed to leave the university shortly afterward as part of a settlement, and she and Manning reportedly signed the confidentiality agreement that she claims Manning and his father Archie violated in the 2001 book "The Mannings." According to King, unflattering comments about her behavior on the job written in that book led to her losing her job at Florida Southern College and caused her to file a 2003 defamation lawsuit that was later settled.

Manning, 39, is also being investigated by the NFL and the U.S. Anti-Doping agency for an alleged link to an Indianapolis clinic that deals in HGH. Manning has called the December Al-Jazeera America report that tied him to the clinic "garbage from the first day it came out."
 
But wait, Jpripper and a bunch of other folks made it seem like Cam was a big bad awful no good person and Manning was a paragon of footballing virtue! This is obviously a pack of lies by some evil woman.
 
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But wait, Jpripper and a bunch of other folks made it seem like Cam was a big bad awful no good person and Manning was a paragon of footballing virtue! This is obviously a pack of lies by some evil woman.
Manning being an a pig And a jerk doesn't excuse other poor behavior.
 
Manning being an a pig And a jerk doesn't excuse other poor behavior.

I think fans trying to act as arbiters for "the proper way to lose" are stupid. Cam is one of the most entertaining people in the NFL. I don't particularly care if he's a sore loser after the SB.
 
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No one is claiming that Manning is a paragon of football virtue. He's going out on top and Newton sh*t the bed. There is no way the NFL will let anything PED related get out and Manning will ride away.
 
NFL and major college programs hide and bury a lot of stuff like this. I had a friend who went to Tennessee at the same time as Manning, and he said this specific assault case was commonly rumored about/discussed among students, but if you mentioned it around super-fans they'd basically yell at you to stop smearing his good name and it must be BS.
 
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NFL and major college programs hide and bury a lot of stuff like this. I had a friend who went to Tennessee at the same time as Manning, and he said this specific assault case was commonly rumored about/discussed among students, but if you mentioned it around super-fans they'd basically yell at you to stop smearing his good name and it must be BS.


Hmmm...sounds familiar....
 
I think fans trying to act as arbiters for "the proper way to lose" are stupid. Cam is one of the most entertaining people in the NFL. I don't particularly care if he's a sore loser after the SB.
For someone who through his post tries to project a superior intellect the constant use of "stupid,moron, etc) towards anyone with an opposing view shows the exact opposite. You seem rather like a man who after a few beers acquires "beer muscles" and hiding on the internet you feel safe to disparage and insult those you disagree with. Quite pathetic .Enjoy your Sunday.H2P
 
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girl got paid 6 figures for getting "Trojan soldiered" over 18 years ago.. the settlement is most troubling in this whole story. If it was a guy trainer, this would be a verbal apology..
 
For someone who through his post tries to project a superior intellect the constant use of "stupid,moron, etc) towards anyone with an opposing view shows the exact opposite. You seem rather like a man who after a few beers acquires "beer muscles" and hiding on the internet you feel safe to disparage and insult those you disagree with. Quite pathetic .Enjoy your Sunday.H2P

Eh. Should I tiptoe around situations where I think people are being dumb?
 
No one is claiming that Manning is a paragon of football virtue. He's going out on top and Newton sh*t the bed. There is no way the NFL will let anything PED related get out and Manning will ride away.

Yeah, let's limit it to what happened on field. That means folks need to stop bringing up the laptop stuff from Cam's time at Florida, right?
 
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Shaun King has a bit of a problem with overstatement... if Peyton actually did what is alleged then it's very vulgar and crass and definitely sexual assault but King writing that it would have been the biggest scandal evar and that it shows that Peyton's image is entirely false and he's a garbage human being is over the top.

He was 20 at the time, 20 year old men aren't exactly known for their strict adherence to not being gross and over the line sexually. All the charity work and stuff Peyton has done as a pro doesn't get erased because he laid his privates on a woman's face without her permission 20 years ago. He didn't rape her. I know a guy who did this exact same thing multiple times (usually when very very drunk) to his on-again off-again girlfriend (when they were in an "off" phase, of course they still hung out and partied together because that's a great idea) when they were both in their early 20s, he was not a good person at that point in his life but he wasn't irredeemably awful. He got his character together and he's a good guy now. Lots of people that age are toxic and grow out of it, it doesn't mean they should get away with it but it also doesn't mean they deserve to be branded as a bad person two decades after the alleged fact. King basically says Peyton Manning should have been given pariah status and metaphorically tossed in the dumpster over these alleged incidents. Seems to me like he has an axe to grind against Manning, or he's just engaging in the typical "you did something bad and there is no forgiveness, you should be destroyed" act that so many people love doing now.

King also forgot to mention that the narrative he published was basically taken verbatim from what the woman's lawyers said happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen that way but also doesn't make me think King is entirely credible. He gave the impression in his piece that the narrative came from an investigation by an unbiased source, and that's not the case.
 
does it really matter who's conducting the investigation when people who were involved or witnessed the incident are on record?

i knew about this incident, but as somebody who thinks all the mannings are weirdo creeps, i didn't think it was serious enough to justify my feelings. i didn't know about the cover-up, though, or the payments, or peyton's weirdo fixation on the trainer's (made-up) foul language, or archie telling the investigator that the trainer had sex with several black athletes

typical repressed square-ass misogynist IMO
 
Shaun King has a bit of a problem with overstatement... if Peyton actually did what is alleged then it's very vulgar and crass and definitely sexual assault but King writing that it would have been the biggest scandal evar and that it shows that Peyton's image is entirely false and he's a garbage human being is over the top.

He was 20 at the time, 20 year old men aren't exactly known for their strict adherence to not being gross and over the line sexually. All the charity work and stuff Peyton has done as a pro doesn't get erased because he laid his privates on a woman's face without her permission 20 years ago. He didn't rape her. I know a guy who did this exact same thing multiple times (usually when very very drunk) to his on-again off-again girlfriend (when they were in an "off" phase, of course they still hung out and partied together because that's a great idea) when they were both in their early 20s, he was not a good person at that point in his life but he wasn't irredeemably awful. He got his character together and he's a good guy now. Lots of people that age are toxic and grow out of it, it doesn't mean they should get away with it but it also doesn't mean they deserve to be branded as a bad person two decades after the alleged fact. King basically says Peyton Manning should have been given pariah status and metaphorically tossed in the dumpster over these alleged incidents. Seems to me like he has an axe to grind against Manning, or he's just engaging in the typical "you did something bad and there is no forgiveness, you should be destroyed" act that so many people love doing now.

King also forgot to mention that the narrative he published was basically taken verbatim from what the woman's lawyers said happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen that way but also doesn't make me think King is entirely credible. He gave the impression in his piece that the narrative came from an investigation by an unbiased source, and that's not the case.

I think your post really speaks to why this issue bothers me so much. Why do we feel so compelled to hold athletes to some moral standard? If Manning did this - yeah, it's terrible. Big Ben is probably terrible, too. So why harp so much on Cam Newton for his transgressions in college? If you want to criticize him for not diving for a fumble, go ahead. But there are a ton of others factors, that, yes, include race, influencing our assessment of athletes.

I just think people need some perspective. It's a game meant for entertainment. Why do we always have to turn that into some issue of role model vs. antihero or other such nonsense?
 
I'm not sure why this is been brought to light again, but.....

This, from Dan Graf, of Fox Sports, February 13, 2016:

Less than a week after winning the Super Bowl in what could be the final game of his 18-year NFL career, an alleged incident from Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning’s past was brought to light in great detail Saturday.

The New York Daily News’ Shaun King published a 5,000-word story explaining sexual assault allegations made against Manning by athletic trainer Dr. Jamie Naughright while he was at the University of Tennessee in 1996. The story stems from a 74-page court document, and those documents were already written about (in far less detail and not fully released) by USA Today in 2003.

King’s story goes on to allege a cover-up by the school and then Manning’s family, but the most explosive part -- the one that stirred social-media attention Saturday -- was the description of the initial allegation from the court documents:

On Feb. 29 of that year, Naughright, at that point the university's director of health and wellness, was in a training room, examining what she thought might be a possible stress fracture in Manning's foot. At 6 feet, 5 inches, his feet dangled off the edge of the table. Manning allegedly then proceeded to scoot down the training table while Naughright examined his foot. At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked testicles and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head. Shocked, disgusted, and offended, Naughright pushed Manning away, removing her head out from under him. Within hours, she reported the incident to the Sexual Assault Crisis Center in Knoxville.

The Broncos, contacted by FOXSports.com on Saturday, have denied comment on the story, which – to be fair – was based almost entirely on old documents prepared by the alleged victim’s lawyers.

Manning reportedly denied the incident immediately, and the alleged victim's superior, Mike Rollo, said it was an accident that came about as a result of Manning mooning teammate Malcolm Saxon, who was in the training room at the same time. According to the story, Saxon refuted that version of the incident and wrote a letter to Manning imploring him to come clean.

Naughright agreed to leave the university shortly afterward as part of a settlement, and she and Manning reportedly signed the confidentiality agreement that she claims Manning and his father Archie violated in the 2001 book "The Mannings." According to King, unflattering comments about her behavior on the job written in that book led to her losing her job at Florida Southern College and caused her to file a 2003 defamation lawsuit that was later settled.

Manning, 39, is also being investigated by the NFL and the U.S. Anti-Doping agency for an alleged link to an Indianapolis clinic that deals in HGH. Manning has called the December Al-Jazeera America report that tied him to the clinic "garbage from the first day it came out."

I have no daughters so maybe some of you can help me out here.....What exactly do you teach your girls to do when a guy places his junk on their head? When he gives them sleeping pills and sexually assaults them? To me it seems as if these young ladies should go to the police immediately and press charges....Not sure why these things take decades to come to light and why monetary arrangements outside of criminal indictment are sought as that sure as hell does not do any good for the next young lady that may face the same assault......
 
I have no daughters so maybe some of you can help me out here.....What exactly do you teach your girls to do when a guy places his junk on their head? When he gives them sleeping pills and sexually assaults them? To me it seems as if these young ladies should go to the police immediately and press charges....Not sure why these things take decades to come to light and why monetary arrangements outside of criminal indictment are sought......
sounds like she handled it the proper way. disgusting as it is, it wasn't rape. She went to university officials and received a nice payout. She goes to the cops, it delays the process and she is not getting an "undisclosed" 6 digit payout by the university.. classless move by peyton though, cant blame youth and immaturity on that one..
 
sounds like she handled it the proper way. disgusting as it is, it wasn't rape. She went to university officials and received a nice payout. She goes to the cops, it delays the process and she is not getting an "undisclosed" 6 digit payout by the university.. classless move by peyton though, cant blame youth and immaturity on that one..
so she gets her money and the next girl gets the potential assault....
 
so she gets her money and the next girl gets the potential assault....
do you think he gets charged? Seriously, you think the local police dept hears this story and charges and arrests him? For a juvenile act in a locker room? I doubt it. She did the right thing.
 
But wait, Jpripper and a bunch of other folks made it seem like Cam was a big bad awful no good person and Manning was a paragon of footballing virtue! This is obviously a pack of lies by some evil woman.
No. In fact, I even said none of his antics made Cam a bad person. Does he have the maturity of a 4 year old? Absolutely. Did he quit on his team? Yep, I think so.

BTW, this was national news already. You should have known all about it.

You said Cam was being vilified because of race. He hasn't been. Not even close. Actually, the media has vilified any of his detractors (all of whom have legitimate reasons personally and with a lot of his play before this season) as racists with no standing for not supporting him and his behavior. They don't even care if some of those detractors are of the same race. You fell prey to their narrative and white guilt on this one. Sad, but true. Ironically, the story (his accounts/commentary and marketing, which are full of holes) is being pushed by a white race baiter, who lies about being black and was kicked out of Black Lives Matter for, among other things, likely embezzling money from charity.

Complete misrepresentation by you. You used to be better than this.
 
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do you think he gets charged? Seriously, you think the local police dept hears this story and charges and arrests him? For a juvenile act in a locker room? I doubt it. She did the right thing.
Sticking your genitals is someone's face...juvenile? Like I said I do not have daughters, do you tell your daughter this is juvenile and not worthy of police involvement?
 
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Well... I told the story of myself seeing Peyton cheating on his wife at a pro bowl party and not one person replied.

The guy is a pig, but, he has a southern accent and wins football games, so who cares right?
 
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Shaun King has a bit of a problem with overstatement... if Peyton actually did what is alleged then it's very vulgar and crass and definitely sexual assault but King writing that it would have been the biggest scandal evar and that it shows that Peyton's image is entirely false and he's a garbage human being is over the top.

He was 20 at the time, 20 year old men aren't exactly known for their strict adherence to not being gross and over the line sexually. All the charity work and stuff Peyton has done as a pro doesn't get erased because he laid his privates on a woman's face without her permission 20 years ago. He didn't rape her. I know a guy who did this exact same thing multiple times (usually when very very drunk) to his on-again off-again girlfriend (when they were in an "off" phase, of course they still hung out and partied together because that's a great idea) when they were both in their early 20s, he was not a good person at that point in his life but he wasn't irredeemably awful. He got his character together and he's a good guy now. Lots of people that age are toxic and grow out of it, it doesn't mean they should get away with it but it also doesn't mean they deserve to be branded as a bad person two decades after the alleged fact. King basically says Peyton Manning should have been given pariah status and metaphorically tossed in the dumpster over these alleged incidents. Seems to me like he has an axe to grind against Manning, or he's just engaging in the typical "you did something bad and there is no forgiveness, you should be destroyed" act that so many people love doing now.

King also forgot to mention that the narrative he published was basically taken verbatim from what the woman's lawyers said happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen that way but also doesn't make me think King is entirely credible. He gave the impression in his piece that the narrative came from an investigation by an unbiased source, and that's not the case.
And, in her 1996 signed affidavit she says he just exposed himself and not that he made any contact. It changed when she sued him after his book. In fact, with that affidavit and her new account, she could have been charged with perjury. Her account is anything, but iron clad. Manning settling after his book is being spun as trying to get away with things. Ummm...that is what you do when you are a powerful person who can be hurt more by just the insinuation you are a creep than a small settlement.

King has no clue what he is even presenting.
 
Well... I told the story of myself seeing Peyton cheating on his wife at a pro bowl party and not one person replied.

The guy is a pig, but, he has a southern accent and wins football games, so who cares right?
The rumor the Mannings have an open relationship is like a decade old. It isn't very different from many athletes (or regular Joe's for that matter).

does it really matter who's conducting the investigation when people who were involved or witnessed the incident are on record?

i knew about this incident, but as somebody who thinks all the mannings are weirdo creeps, i didn't think it was serious enough to justify my feelings. i didn't know about the cover-up, though, or the payments, or peyton's weirdo fixation on the trainer's (made-up) foul language, or archie telling the investigator that the trainer had sex with several black athletes

typical repressed square-ass misogynist IMO
What is the coverup or payments? A settlement?
 
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This is the woman who accused (changing her story enormously after 7 years) Peyton Manning. She seems...stable...

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No one is claiming that Manning is a paragon of football virtue. He's going out on top and Newton sh*t the bed. There is no way the NFL will let anything PED related get out and Manning will ride away.

Honestly, who cares? that was 19 years ago. He likely is retired now. And even if he wasn't, I have no sympathy for any "victim" who let 19 years pass, she either got PAID or it wasn't that big a deal to her.
 
wow, this girl sounds like a class act.. Even more sad than this girl is that I now find myself attracted to her..
 
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Football players acting like pigs in a locker room? Exposing themselves or potentially assaulting a woman? Cheating on spouses? You guys think that's bad, you have no idea. The culture surrounding the game is at times, disgusting.

Not sure how you can easily accept that an ex football coach can rape little boys in a shower but a Super Bowl MVP and future HOF QB isn't capable of tea-bagging a trainer.
 
Football players acting like pigs in a locker room? Exposing themselves or potentially assaulting a woman? Cheating on spouses? You guys think that's bad, you have no idea. The culture surrounding the game is at times, disgusting.

Not sure how you can easily accept that an ex football coach can rape little boys in a shower but a Super Bowl MVP and future HOF QB isn't capable of tea-bagging a trainer.
Who said Peyton wasn't capable of it? Everyone is saying that her story (in a sworn avidafit for the first settlement) changed enormously 7 years later and that it was a national story 20 years ago and then 13 years ago. The "reporter" trying to dredge it up is at best a lying hack and at worst a criminal. Probably both.
 
Honestly, who cares? that was 19 years ago. He likely is retired now. And even if he wasn't, I have no sympathy for any "victim" who let 19 years pass, she either got PAID or it wasn't that big a deal to her.

I'm shocked, just shocked at your position on this issue.
 
I find it most disturbing that someone in this thread said that Ashley Manning likes "strange" and no one commented on this..
 
I catagorically disagree with your assessment. I am fairly good friends with Donovan McNabb and Roland Williams, and been to many parties and outings, and most every player I met are stand up individuals, just like hopefully is the case where you work. I know my work, and I cant say I know a single guy there that if something like this came out about them that I would totally in shock. It just wont happen. Maybe you guys work around the dregs of society or something, but fact is football players have too much to lose these days, have to work out too much, have to always worry about other people's cell phones, etc.
Like I said, I was around what? 100 all pros in Hawaii, and literally the only 2 guys I saw doing anything unprofessional there were Manning and Jason Taylor. I had guys like Max Starks and Deshea Townsend go to their room to get a ball to sign for our kid who was back at home.
Not saying that there arent complete waste of lifes out there or everyone is fantastic, but I think most all are very professional, at least the ones that have been around a few years. Most of these guys had their fun in college, and are family guys trying not to get fired to make enough to make a living the rest of their lives.
This isnt a rose colored glasses view either, I see it, other than the fact these guys have far more money, and thus, way nicer things and can go where they want, most are good dudes. But not all are Burfect :)
 
I catagorically disagree with your assessment. I am fairly good friends with Donovan McNabb and Roland Williams, and been to many parties and outings, and most every player I met are stand up individuals, just like hopefully is the case where you work. I know my work, and I cant say I know a single guy there that if something like this came out about them that I would totally in shock. It just wont happen. Maybe you guys work around the dregs of society or something, but fact is football players have too much to lose these days, have to work out too much, have to always worry about other people's cell phones, etc.
Like I said, I was around what? 100 all pros in Hawaii, and literally the only 2 guys I saw doing anything unprofessional there were Manning and Jason Taylor. I had guys like Max Starks and Deshea Townsend go to their room to get a ball to sign for our kid who was back at home.
Not saying that there arent complete waste of lifes out there or everyone is fantastic, but I think most all are very professional, at least the ones that have been around a few years. Most of these guys had their fun in college, and are family guys trying not to get fired to make enough to make a living the rest of their lives.
This isnt a rose colored glasses view either, I see it, other than the fact these guys have far more money, and thus, way nicer things and can go where they want, most are good dudes. But not all are Burfect :)
What assessment? That people have open marriages/relationships or look the other way on cheating? Or that it is more prevalent in young (many of whom are from broken homes and are not the sharpest tools in the shed) men, who have lots of money and woman chasing them city to city?

And what does any of that have to do with being professional?
 
What assessment? That people have open marriages/relationships or look the other way on cheating? Or that it is more prevalent in young (many of whom are from broken homes and are not the sharpest tools in the shed) men, who have lots of money and woman chasing them city to city?

And what does any of that have to do with being professional?

No, the assessment that everyone does it. "It isn't very different from many athletes (or regular Joe's for that matter)." you wrote. I disagree. I am allowed to disagree.

And, if you dont know what acting professionally and not acting professionally is, I really dont have to get into that. Either you have a moral and ethical conduct about yourself or you dont. There are grey areas, but I doubt anyone thinks putting your anus on an unwilling girl working in the locker room is an ethical grey area. You can debate that all you like, you wont be changing my mind.
 
No, the assessment that everyone does it. "It isn't very different from many athletes (or regular Joe's for that matter)." you wrote. I disagree. I am allowed to disagree.

And, if you dont know what acting professionally and not acting professionally is, I really dont have to get into that. Either you have a moral and ethical conduct about yourself or you dont. There are grey areas, but I doubt anyone thinks putting your anus on an unwilling girl working in the locker room is an ethical grey area. You can debate that all you like, you wont be changing my mind.
No one said everyone does it. I said many. That doesn't even come close to saying everyone does it.

Professionalism has nothing to do with monogamy. Especially when you are a 3rd party judging them on an perceived agreement/understanding of monogamy.

I don't even like Peyton, but the woman who (now) is claiming he put his anus on her did not say the same thing in 1996. That is a fact and isn't up for debate. Why did her story change? I can't say for sure. I would say I wouldn't trust either side of the story.
 
all men who did NOT pull some vulgar, tasteless, crude stunt at some point in their life between ages 17 and 22, please stand to this side of the line . . . . .
 
all men who did NOT pull some vulgar, tasteless, crude stunt at some point in their life between ages 17 and 22, please stand to this side of the line . . . . .

Because statements like this are so helpful...
 
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