# of Conference bids since last National Championship

[Chairman Moe]

On yesterday's broadcast of ACC PM, Mark Packer went into quite the monologue about comparing the P6 conferences: How many NCAAT bids has each conference received since a team from that conference won a National Championship?

From "memory" I think it was:

Big 12 - "0", as Kansas won in 2022
ACC - "12", as UVA won in 2019
Big East - "18", as Villanova won in 2018
SEC - "40 something", as UK won in 2012
Pac 12 - "105-ish", as Arizona won in 1997
Big Ten+ - "130", as MSU won in 2000

But Pack went on to note that the Big Ten has had 190 teams receive bids since 1990 (Michigan won in 1989), and only once has the Big Ten won the Championship game. In that same time frame, teams from the ACC have won 11 National Championships

His point: here is the ACC "fighting" to get 5 teams into the NCAAT this year, while the Big Ten may get as many as 9. And what do the Big Ten teams do in the tournament? L, L, L, L, L, L, L ...

And if last year was any indication of how good the ACC teams can be and usually are, come tournament time, the 2022 version of lower seeded ACC teams got three to the Elite Eight; 2 to the Final Four; and 1 to the Championship game

Pack was just stating facts. How, year-after-year-after-year, can one "committee" be so wrong, and continue to invite so many Big Ten teams to the tournament? AND, have them take up so many higher seeds, only to see them continue to fail?

What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing repeatedly and hoping for a different result ...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

On yesterday's broadcast of ACC PM, Mark Packer went into quite the monologue about comparing the P6 conferences: How many NCAAT bids has each conference received since a team from that conference won a National Championship?

From "memory" I think it was:

Big 12 - "0", as Kansas won in 2022
ACC - "12", as UVA won in 2019
Big East - "18", as Villanova won in 2018
SEC - "40 something", as UK won in 2012
Pac 12 - "105-ish", as Arizona won in 1997
Big Ten+ - "130", as MSU won in 2000

But Pack went on to note that the Big Ten has had 190 teams receive bids since 1990 (Michigan won in 1989), and only once has the Big Ten won the Championship game. In that same time frame, teams from the ACC have won 11 National Championships

His point: here is the ACC "fighting" to get 5 teams into the NCAAT this year, while the Big Ten may get as many as 9. And what do the Big Ten teams do in the tournament? L, L, L, L, L, L, L ...

And if last year was any indication of how good the ACC teams can be and usually are, come tournament time, the 2022 version of lower seeded ACC teams got three to the Elite Eight; 2 to the Final Four; and 1 to the Championship game

Pack was just stating facts. How, year-after-year-after-year, can one "committee" be so wrong, and continue to invite so many Big Ten teams to the tournament? AND, have them take up so many higher seeds, only to see them continue to fail?

What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing repeatedly and hoping for a different result ...

In another post, I compared 10 seed Pitt to 6 seed Illinois. Its a joke. Our resume is better. If they were forbidden to look at your NET rank, we'd be a 5 or 6.

 

[Sam Young 23]

While I completely agree with Packer. The Big ten usually doesn't have a bunch of very bad teams at the bottom. Lately the ACC has had some really bad teams at the bottom of the conference that destroy your metrics. Evidence by Pitt winning games and their metrics falling.



The Big 10 also plays with a traditional center. This gets exposed in ball screens vs alot of other teams.

 

[Dointhatrag]

While I like the argument packer is trying to make it ends up falling flat. A conference can have a bunch of "good" teams that deserve to make the tournament. Just because they haven't had an "elite" team to win it all doesn't make those other team not "good".

Think of it like grades. Everyone with an A or B gets in the tournament. The Big Ten has a lot of B, B+, and A- students but that don't seem to ever have the A+ valedictorian to win it all.

 

[Pitt2006]

In another post, I compared 10 seed Pitt to 6 seed Illinois. Its a joke. Our resume is better. If they were forbidden to look at your NET rank, we'd be a 5 or 6.

They are not the same. They have wins against UCLA and Texas. They crushed Cuse by nearly 30 and didn’t lose to a quad 3 or 4. They also have more quad 1/2 wins.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

They are not the same. They have wins against UCLA and Texas. They crushed Cuse by nearly 30 and didn’t lose to a quad 3 or 4. They also have more quad 1/2 wins.

Yeah, but other than that...

 

[Chairman Moe]

Oh, and for the record, the ACC won the ACC/Big Ten challenge this year. Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see how many Big Ten teams are invited vs the ACC, and where the teams from those conferences will be seeded. Both are deserving of multiple invites, as are the Big 12 and Big East. SEC and Pac 12 are perhaps the two P6 conferences that deserve fewer, but Alabama has the "look" of a number 1 seed ... for as far as B Miller will take them

Has anyone else here thought that there maybe should be additional play-in games for the lesser conferences, and maybe for a select number of mid-major/P6 teams who are "on the bubble"? Extend the play-in games to 8 or even 12? It is certainly more revenue for the NCAA and CBS ... thoughts?

 

[NCanton Panther]

They are not the same. They have wins against UCLA and Texas. They crushed Cuse by nearly 30 and didn’t lose to a quad 3 or 4. They also have more quad 1/2 wins.

Funny you guys are comparing Pitt and Illinois resumes right now, while at the same time Illinois is currently getting beat up at home by Northwestern by 18 at the half. Hey, there’s a common opponent we can consider in the comparison.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Funny you guys are comparing Pitt and Illinois resumes right now, while at the same time Illinois is currently getting beat up at home by Northwestern by 18 at the half. Hey, there’s a common opponent we can consider in the comparison.

I guess Northwestern forgot there are 2 halves to a game. Illinois comes back to win by 4 after being down 18 at the half. Illinois cementing that higher seed than Pitt.