Offseason Turmoil Roils Penn State Football Program, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

What goes around comes around? Two Hundred Years ago, Franklin found Electricity proving it by flying a kite!

Three Years ago, another Franklin came to Penn State selling Electric Magic based on Myths.

Franklin is now ducking the reality at Penn State and refuses to answer the Inquires? A Well Known Penn State Tradition established by Joseph Vincent Paterno by banning Sports Writers from Campus as well as Spanier, Curley, and Schultz that would not respond to Grand Jury Questions to cover up things they did not want to admit to at Penn State?

Some Recruits are not worried but some parents of recruits are wondering????

Article, Excerpts & Link:
Penn State's 7-6 football season seemed kind of flat, drab, boring even. The Nittany Lions beat the weaker teams and got whipped by the tough guys. They ranked 105th in offense. But the offseason? Wow. It has been practically a thrill a minute. Since its bowl game in Jacksonville, Fla., nearly three weeks ago, Penn State has been all over the news, what with coaching turnovers (the firing of offensive coordinator John Donovan on Nov. 29 was a head start), players transferring, angry parental tweets and fan posts, and stories delving into coach James Franklin's “problems” or trying to answer the question, “What's going on?”


Franklin probably should field that one. But he has not been quoted in the media since his team lost to Georgia in the TaxSlayer Bowl, after which quarterback Christian Hackenberg and defensive tackle Austin Johnson publicly declared for the NFL Draft with a year of eligibility remaining. No surprises there, although Hackenberg got added attention by thanking almost everyone he knew at Penn State, except Franklin and his coaches.

Since then, defensive coordinator Bob Shoop left for Tennessee after stating he hoped “Penn State would have me forever and ever and ever.” Surprise. Offensive line coach Herb Hand, a fan non-favorite, went to Auburn.


Linebacker Troy Reeder, who started 11 games as a redshirt freshman, transferred to Delaware because he said he wanted to play with his brother. Receiver Geno Lewis transferred to Oklahoma after his receptions plummeted from 55 in 2014 to 17. His father, Junie, a Pitt basketball star in the 1980s who transferred out himself, issued a tweet slamming Franklin and receivers coach Josh Gattis, followed by an apology. Other players left.


“It hasn't been a good few months for Franklin,” columnist Steve Politi wrote this week on NJ.com......“Why isn't this an opportunity for James Franklin to have a better staff?” said DiNardo, an analyst for the Big Ten Network. He added, however, there is “good reason” to at least question the changes. “I don't think you can be tone deaf,” he said. “When people bring these things up and it becomes a conversation, if the coach is smart, he has to listen to it and say, ‘Are they right?' ”


With many fans already irked by a season they thought would be better, adverse reactions have been predictable. Kathy Kasperik, president of the Greater Pittsburgh chapter of the Penn State Alumni Association, said she tries to keep it all in perspective. “When everything happens in a row, there's an initial panic: ‘Oh my God, the sky is falling,' ” she said. “Then you take a deep breath and try to take a look at the big picture.”

Which is? “We're definitely looking for improvement,” she said.


Bob Cohn is a staff writer for the Tribune-Review. Reach him at bcohn@tribweb.com or via Twitter@BCohn_Trib.

LINK:
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/9816078-74/penn-state-franklin

 

[JHud986]

Captain, the natives are restless and are starting to look for scalps!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Captain, the natives are restless and are starting to look for scalps!

Yep, and The Penn State's Paw Claws on out of New Trustees, PS4RS, Paterno's Lawsuits, and Former Players, are doing what they do best, hustling the discontent, and causing the in-fighting, scratching and backbiting!

At the same time, the Penn State BWI CULTist Chrous join in with Fateful, Faithful and Flaws Jaws worshiping a Coach that misled them into thinking his myths and magic were miracles but left them with tears for many coming years to come on a legacy of a big cover up!

 

[Panther Parrothead]

They have every right to be nervous. Ohio State will remain THE Ohio State as long as Urban is there. Michigan State is rock solid. The mess in Michigan is gonna get fixed pronto by Harbaugh. Meanwhile, Franklin is in charge of a program that's being perceived as floundering - in spite of his ability to recruit talent.

What I find amusing is that Franklin used to be a media whore - he was everywhere, even calling Pittsburgh talk shows while using the handle, "James from State College". But now, Nit Nation claims that he's nowhere to be found. I guess his act has grown old in "Not-so-Happy Valley", and he's gone underground.

 

[big marty]

Carnival Barker has lost his voice. The Boy that cried Wolf making $4 mill plus has laryngitis for good reason.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

They have every right to be nervous. Ohio State will remain THE Ohio State as long as Urban is there. Michigan State is rock solid. The mess in Michigan is gonna get fixed pronto by Harbaugh. Meanwhile, Franklin is in charge of a program that's being perceived as floundering - in spite of his ability to recruit talent.

What I find amusing is that Franklin used to be a media whore - he was everywhere, even calling Pittsburgh talk shows while using the handle, "James from State College". But now, Nit Nation claims that he's nowhere to be found. I guess his act has grown old in "Not-so-Happy Valley", and he's gone underground.

When a Coach's "TALK" cannot show the "WALK" the go into "BUNKER MENTALITY MODE"! Ask Them No Questions & They Will Tell One No Lies!

Few know it, but Shoop and Hand leaving and Donovan being Fired, are warnings to Franklin, you can't fix what is wrong at Penn State! I just feel sorry for the Recruits that committed there and just like the Players that left, preferring to move on, then stay there. Bigger problems on the way too!

I think Franklin finally now realizes he is on shaky a foundation!

 

[JHud986]

It just shocks me for the noise franklin made when hired about dominating the state. Now you don't hear
one word out of him. I'm almost of the thought that he is gone before next season.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

PSU has a lot of money committed to the entire staff. Jimmy makes 4.4M, the OC and DC make 1M, all in they must have 9M committed per year. Although their AD may feel he is not the answer but I can’t see a change until after next season. BOB deserves the credit for stabilizing their program after the scandal. Results on the field are all that count!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

It just shocks me for the noise franklin made when hired about dominating the state. Now you don't hear
one word out of him. I'm almost of the thought that he is gone before next season.

Franklin has some panic now based on PennLive reports! They may lose 2 to 3 more Four Star Commits and now are going after Three Stars at other Programs.

On PennLive, they reported Franklin has added a Temple Wideout Commit Recruit, a Rutgers 3 Star Kicker now that Penn State Commit Nordin may go to Michigan, and was not able to grab any of the 4 Star Maryland Players that went Ohio State, and are in competition with Pitt for some like Watts in Illinois, Hamlin, and some others.

The good news is Michigan DB Scott De-Commit was just offered by PSU and Pitt is on his finalists too!

I do not follow Recruiting as many others here, and so here is the think showing New Offers by Penn State in the closing weeks as Ohio State and Michigan has moved into the Top 5 Rankings now, and looks to poach some from Franklin as he poaches from Temple, Rutgers, and Maryland?

LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...gan_recruit_considers.html#incart_river_index

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

What does this have to to with Pitt?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

PSU has a lot of money committed to the entire staff. Jimmy makes 4.4M, the OC and DC make 1M, all in they must have 9M committed per year. Although their AD may feel he is not the answer but I can’t see a change until after next season. BOB deserves the credit for stabilizing their program after the scandal. Results on the field are all that count!

You hit on exactly why Penn State has some other Plans of their own in the future on Franklin. When Franklin came he and his Agent made Top Demands on many aspects and Penn State is a desperate move agreed to them under President Erickson and A.D. Joyner in hopes he would Win 10 Games to unite Penn State Fan Base.

However, under New President Barron and A.D. Barbour along with New Trustees, PS4RS, Former Penn state Players, and current Lawsuits with still pending Criminal Cases, Franklin's poor record in winning less with all Penn State Revenue Resources is no longer acceptable, and that is why no Extension has been given either.

Things are coming to a head at Penn State on Civil Lawsuits coming to Court, New Trustees coming aboard, Franklin's Assistant Coaches bailing out even when offered more money, and now recruiting not keeping up with Michigan and Ohio State and other Big Ten and Regional Programs.

Once the Paterno, Spanier, and Jay Paterno Lawsuits go to Trial Penn state is still in a pickle with more information coming out and that goes both ways. Penn State may have to reveal many aspects of Paterno's Income and being in Business with Nike, Trustees, and other Business Interests and the Non-Compliance Issues as well current Paterno-Commercial Contracts and Benefits that puts them in a difficult situation they don't want to reveal or expose Paterno's Family more?

So, how do you solve it, work together to resolve these problems, such as making a settlement that brings back Jay Paterno by getting a New Replacement for Franklin from a compromise worked out among current divided Trustees???

A Matt Rhule, Mike Munchak, Al Golden, Bobby Engram, Tom Bradley, and Jay Paterno return to Penn State Coaching Staff may have to happen and it is easier to do, when Franklin can't win 10+ Games?

There is a reason why Temple's Matt Rhule turned down other jobs and Henson of Houston too. Franklin even had a tough time to attract better Assistants and took Moorhead, Limegrover, and Banks after Franklin's Top Assistants had no problem leaving Franklin?

Now that Recruiting is heading more south (Including Talking High Paying Assistants) but unable to out recruit or out coach Harbaugh and Meyer???

Penn State Plan will be happy to incorporate what Franklin's Plan has brought to Penn State but without Franklin as Penn State moves on and that depends on how many Games Franklin can win in 2016? Actually, 2017 and 2018 may be too late with all the things facing Penn State this next year?

Problems happen to Ohio State when Bruce & Cooper could not win Big Ten, Beat Michigan, and win NCS, so they hired Tressel that did all those things. When Tressel was out they turned to Ohio Native Urban Meyer and now all is fine!

When Michigan's Carr retired and CoachRod and Hoke they turned to one of their own in Harbaugh and all is fine today and looking better tomorrow.

Penn State has had bigger problems that OSU and UM, and time is near to solve them by going back to one of their own and embracing him, to unite Penn State.

O'Brien could not wait to leave, and Franklin's Coaching that can't do the job as expected may be a victim of his own making and unfortunate events that requires some more changes at Penn State?

I said all along Franklin's challenge is beating Michigan, MSU, and Ohio State not out recruiting Rutgers, Pitt, WVU, Virginia, VT, Cuse, BC, and Maryland? Now Franklin can't beat NW and Temple, and struggles with UMD and Rutgers? As Iowa and Pitt come as another challenge?

Franklin's Plan is center on recruiting but he lacks the coaching and now lacks the support at Penn State and they have a Plan too!

Dropping from Top 10 Rankings in Recruiting as Michigan, MSU, OSU rise along with Pitt, VT, Virginia, and Duke rising does not portend good things at Penn state under Franklin that lost his Staffers and why Silence Dominates Franklin now?

 

[BuffetParrothead]

They have every right to be nervous. Ohio State will remain THE Ohio State as long as Urban is there. Michigan State is rock solid. The mess in Michigan is gonna get fixed pronto by Harbaugh. Meanwhile, Franklin is in charge of a program that's being perceived as floundering - in spite of his ability to recruit talent.

What I find amusing is that Franklin used to be a media whore - he was everywhere, even calling Pittsburgh talk shows while using the handle, "James from State College". But now, Nit Nation claims that he's nowhere to be found. I guess his act has grown old in "Not-so-Happy Valley", and he's gone underground.

" he's gone underground"
Yep with a disguise but he can be found!

 

[Agoodnap]

What goes around comes around? Two Hundred Years ago, Franklin found Electricity proving it by flying a kite!

Three Years ago, another Franklin came to Penn State selling Electric Magic based on Myths.

Franklin is now ducking the reality at Penn State and refuses to answer the Inquires? A Well Known Penn State Tradition established by Joseph Vincent Paterno by banning Sports Writers from Campus as well as Spanier, Curley, and Schultz that would not respond to Grand Jury Questions to cover up things they did not want to admit to at Penn State?

Some Recruits are not worried but some parents of recruits are wondering????

Article, Excerpts & Link:
Penn State's 7-6 football season seemed kind of flat, drab, boring even. The Nittany Lions beat the weaker teams and got whipped by the tough guys. They ranked 105th in offense. But the offseason? Wow. It has been practically a thrill a minute. Since its bowl game in Jacksonville, Fla., nearly three weeks ago, Penn State has been all over the news, what with coaching turnovers (the firing of offensive coordinator John Donovan on Nov. 29 was a head start), players transferring, angry parental tweets and fan posts, and stories delving into coach James Franklin's “problems” or trying to answer the question, “What's going on?”


Franklin probably should field that one. But he has not been quoted in the media since his team lost to Georgia in the TaxSlayer Bowl, after which quarterback Christian Hackenberg and defensive tackle Austin Johnson publicly declared for the NFL Draft with a year of eligibility remaining. No surprises there, although Hackenberg got added attention by thanking almost everyone he knew at Penn State, except Franklin and his coaches.

Since then, defensive coordinator Bob Shoop left for Tennessee after stating he hoped “Penn State would have me forever and ever and ever.” Surprise. Offensive line coach Herb Hand, a fan non-favorite, went to Auburn.


Linebacker Troy Reeder, who started 11 games as a redshirt freshman, transferred to Delaware because he said he wanted to play with his brother. Receiver Geno Lewis transferred to Oklahoma after his receptions plummeted from 55 in 2014 to 17. His father, Junie, a Pitt basketball star in the 1980s who transferred out himself, issued a tweet slamming Franklin and receivers coach Josh Gattis, followed by an apology. Other players left.


“It hasn't been a good few months for Franklin,” columnist Steve Politi wrote this week on NJ.com......“Why isn't this an opportunity for James Franklin to have a better staff?” said DiNardo, an analyst for the Big Ten Network. He added, however, there is “good reason” to at least question the changes. “I don't think you can be tone deaf,” he said. “When people bring these things up and it becomes a conversation, if the coach is smart, he has to listen to it and say, ‘Are they right?' ”


With many fans already irked by a season they thought would be better, adverse reactions have been predictable. Kathy Kasperik, president of the Greater Pittsburgh chapter of the Penn State Alumni Association, said she tries to keep it all in perspective. “When everything happens in a row, there's an initial panic: ‘Oh my God, the sky is falling,' ” she said. “Then you take a deep breath and try to take a look at the big picture.”

Which is? “We're definitely looking for improvement,” she said.


Bob Cohn is a staff writer for the Tribune-Review. Reach him at bcohn@tribweb.com or via Twitter@BCohn_Trib.

LINK:
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/9816078-74/penn-state-franklin

TWO years ago, but you already knew that didn't you?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

jimmy drove the buggy down to PITTsburgh to take Hamlin, Mathews, Hudson and Miles' mom up to crappy valley for the weekend

 

[pittbb80]

James "I'll be anyone you want me to be" from State College is beginning to be exposed for the Chameleon he is

 

[9nationalchampionships]

jimmy looks like a milk dud that fell on a beige shag rug

James "I'll be anyone you want me to be" from State College is beginning to be exposed for the Chameleon he is

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Franklin has some panic now based on PennLive reports! They may lose 2 to 3 more Four Star Commits and now are going after Three Stars at other Programs.

On PennLive, they reported Franklin has added a Temple Wideout Commit Recruit

Darien? The article you linked merely noted that he plans to visit them (consistent with reports we've gotten on our end), but at last report is still committed to TU.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

TWO years ago, but you already knew that didn't you?

No, I thought he would be a Great Coach or a "VERY GOOD COACH" and I was wrong.

I still think Franklin is a "GOOD" Coach now but not enough to beat Harbaugh, Dantoinio, and Meyer that are "PROVEN" Great Coaches!

I can't believe you told the Iowa Poster to take his Family to Chumbley's???? You are a Corker!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Darien? The article you linked merely noted that he plans to visit them (consistent with reports we've gotten on our end), but at last report is still committed to TU.

All I know is Temple's Rhule a Penn State Grad is now talking trash on Franklin too? Franklin is giving the nails for Penn State Alumni to nail his coffin! Wait until after Signing Day!

Temple has many Players back for 2016 too!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"BuffetParrothead, post: 795673, member: 23369"]" he's gone underground"
Yep with a disguise but he can be found!

FRANKLIN'S PANIC PLAN?

G-D'S WORKS!

RECRUITS VISITS?

 

[Agoodnap]

No, I thought he would be a Great Coach or a "VERY GOOD COACH" and I was wrong.

I still think Franklin is a "GOOD" Coach now but not enough to beat Harbaugh, Dantoinio, and Meyer that are "PROVEN" Great Coaches!

I can't believe you told the Iowa Poster to take his Family to Chumbley's???? You are a Corker!

So, how many years has Franklin been at Penn State? I realize this doesn't fit your agenda, but answer the question please. While you're at it, please explain how the 2016 class affects the on-field performance of any team in 2015.

 

[Bobtown Bart]

Captain why would any college give an extension to a coach?It means absolutely nothing and I mean nothing.Why most colleges give one is to get a buyout clause in there so they get something in return when a coach leaves.Coaching contracts are a joke they mean nothing in 2016.Ask WVU what they think about giving Dana an extension?????Their extension meant they would of paid him $8 million if they fired him this year.Do you think Darduzzi's extension will keep him from leaving,if the right offer comes?In my day a contract meant you honored it untill it ran out not today.You always give a coach 4-5 years then decide if he's the man you want. When the cupboard isnt full of goodies when he takes over it takes longer to bake the pie.I love it when people make remarks about someones ability before that person has his guns in order.In two more years I'll make my decision on Franklin's ability to win games at PSU. But of course as my transcript shows I'm not as smart as you guys on here.I've always been a slow learner and rode the short bus!

 

[Agoodnap]

"Agoodnap, post: 800023, member: 19925"]So, how many years has Franklin been at Penn State?
Already answered you go back and find the link on your own!
I realize this doesn't fit your agenda, but answer the question please.
I don't have an Agenda, neither does Franklin on Game Day and Penn State just dropped to 24th with Wisconsin at 28th on Recruiting Rankings, go to Chumbleys and cry your eyes out!

While you're at it, please explain how the 2016 class affects the on-field performance of any team in 2015.
All I know is Franklin can't compete with Harbaugh, Meyer, and others, you tell me When Franklin will win 10 Games and will happen in 2016? How about 2017?? Or 2018??? You can answer your own questions or are you afraid Franklin won't be there either?

Moreover, if Franklin is so Great Why no Extension from Penn State? Tell us Chumbley?

Penn State has been out-recruiting Pitt for Decades and still can't produce better players in the NCAA or NFL? Penn State doesn't get the smarter recruits just the ones that end up in the stands no one remembers?

So now you're just calling names. Nice!

No, 2016 is likely to be the worst year of the sanctions. 2017 should be pretty good, but 2018 will be 10 plus win seasons. Yes, Franklin will be here.

Again, how did the 2016 class of HS seniors affect our on field play? Franklin has been at Penn State for TWO years and has two good classes and a third class that looks likes it's going to be good.

Recruiting Rankings:

Penn State Pitt
Scout 11 38
247 12 38
ESPN 11 Un-Ranked (I could only get access to the top 40)

^^^this probably doesn't fit your agenda either.

Now, if you'd like to discuss some football, or any other subject, as an adult let me know.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

="Bobtown Bart, post: 801243, member: 9081"]Captain why would any college give an extension to a coach?
Quick Answer....If you don't know why, then consider there should never be an Extension? Since there are Extensions, you explain it, why waster my time??
Since the do exists, it tells they want to him to stay or reward him for a good season and sends a message to others they want him there?

It means absolutely nothing and I mean nothing.
Really, then once again, you have a problem with reality and I am not offending you, just again pointing out you have an odd sense of beliefs that has clouded your judgment. Wisconsin just gave an Extension to Paul Chryst, call them up and tell them, it doesn't exists and take it back???

Why most colleges give one is to get a buyout clause in there so they get something in return when a coach leaves.
I know all that, but if you were correct, then no need in any Extensions, but they are still given??? You explain it!!!
Coaching contracts are a joke they mean nothing in 2016. One myopic view but they are still Contracts, and all Contracts are Business Deals, that come and go! So, the Coach leaves, they have someone else pay the Buyout! Sometimes it stops another College from considering them, sometimes not, So, Extensions do mean things not nothing?

Ask WVU what they think about giving Dana an extension?????
I know it and one reason why he is still today too???? I was involved with a Big WVU Booster that have Big Bucks to WVU to keep a Coach, and the Coach still left, and no money was returned!

Their extension meant they would of paid him $8 million if they fired him this year.
Who cares, it was enough to keep him another year, and that means Extension do me something does it not? Now who looks stupid saying they mean nothing? Again, if another Program wanted Dana bad enough they would pay out that Extension too. But that is on Dana not being in demand right now?

Do you think Darduzzi's extension will keep him from leaving,if the right offer comes?
Not my point, it tells others Pitt is happy with him and wants him to stay, and we know your concept and view means nothing as pointed out above and those are your words, or do you make it a habit of contradicting yourself???

In my day a contract meant you honored it untill it ran out not today.
Those Contacts still exists, all Contracts can be modified, broken, or removed, and settled later too, with consequences and benefits, and sometimes regrets, but still exists and mean more than nothing?

You always give a coach 4-5 years then decide if he's the man you want. When the cupboard isnt full of goodies when he takes over it takes longer to bake the pie.
Blah, Blah, anything else you think is is great insight?

I love it when people make remarks about someones ability before that person has his guns in order.
Well, same with Posts and may apply to you right now, not being mean, but you are providing an example of it right now, as you describe your views?

In two more years I'll make my decision on Franklin's ability to win games at PSU.
So, what, no offense who are you? Recruits are making a decision right now without you. Penn State and Franklin both wanted a Contract, so it is important to them, not you. Quite frankly, your view means nothing!

But of course as my transcript shows I'm not as smart as you guys on here.I've always been a slow learner and rode the short bus!
We know, you keep telling all of us, and we keep taking the time to educate you!

Now for the real Questions for you to answer?

Franklin has a Plan said so publicly, and says he needs more time? Right now, Franklin is in a battle that has proven he has been out coached by Michigan, OSU, MSU and NW Coaches and badly beaten as well, including being out recruited, and the Media is reporting in Headlines, Turmoil at Penn State, just when Franklin needs a great closing to catch or pass or fall behind some Big Ten Programs and Coaches?

I think an Extension would show Confidence in Franklin by Penn State and as well as tell Recruits we love him and want him here a long time!!!

1. So, do you think, or have one hunch, or one clue, or any myopic insights, why Franklin was not given one, if they want him a long time too????

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Agoodnap, post: 801283, member: 19925"]So now you're just calling names. Nice!
Naw, just pointing out you have asked questions that have been answered, and one has to wonder why you can't accept or respond??? You outright lied that you asked the question many time? Moreover, when an Iowa Fan said he wants to place to bring his family to Iowa-PSU Game, you lied to him and told him to go to Chumbleys a great place, and you say that is being nice??? I love catching Nittany Liars in Lies and then here them cry!

Yet, everyone has a Divine Light within them, and content of a post is important to me, and I respect more of your posts than mock any that does not respond to priors I have given to answer your questions, and we can always agree to disagree? So lets move on!

No, 2016 is likely to be the worst year of the sanctions.
Ok, I can accept that, I heard it from you and I respect it, I heard it from TD-6042 and respect that too, Same with BobTown Bob, and Franklin too! I even heard that from Donovan before he was fired, and Shoop and Hand before they left?

I understand that is all you're positions! Franklin needs more time, but Penn State isn't listening or they would give him an Extension, and that is a good point right now at a critical time in his recruiting to beat out Michigan, MSU, and OSU???

Moreover, Franklin admits he needs more time and has a secret plans and his coaches left him anyway, now do you think that shows confidence in Franklin?

Yet, Franklin is telling Recruits and everyone he plans to be at Penn State a LONG TIME now is he is being a Nittany Liar too???? If so, why not demand an Extension from PSU to help him show it to Recruits?

I just think after 2016-17-18, Franklin still won't be beating Michigan, MSU, or OSU and I have been told by some Great PSU Graduates and Employees and Lawyers that PSU won't wait that long????

If you read A.D Barbour's comments she used the word...."MUST WINS" when responding to backing Franklin's currebnt 14-12 Winning Percentage questions?

Moreover, Franklin is not living up to his own Promises or Predictions, he would make sure Penn State Dominates the Region and will Win a Championship, since Ohio State, MSU, and Michigan is beating and pout coaching and out recruiting him????

2017 should be pretty good, but 2018 will be 10 plus win seasons. Yes, Franklin will be here.
Great, but we are in 2016, and in spite of your great "Tea Leaves" Franklin's Coaching still hasn't beaten Teams that have less talent than he inherited at Penn State in Temple 2015, NW 2014-15, UMD 2014, Illinois 2014??? Additionally, Franklin Coaching has been badly beaten by OSU-MICHIGAN-MSU 2015 and they are out recruiting Franklin too!

I enjoy your post and even joke on BWI on Chumbleys and called you a Corker as a Jokester, but I see more people upset with Franklin besides his Coaches that left him, some Players glad to leave, many Former Players Alumni as well as Fans that dislike Franklin's Coaching and would like him replaced ASAP??? We Shall See?

Now answer some Questions to be fair back and I understand it is only an opinion so just be honest:

1. If Franklin wins only 6 games in 2016 do you want him to stay?

2. If Franklin is only winning 9 games in 2017 do you want him to stay?

3. If Franklin does not win 10 Games in 2018 do you want him to be given an Extension?

4. What Coach would want to come to Penn State to replace Franklin if Franklin leaves, or is Fired, Please be Realistic like not Nick Saban because he would go top PSU is what i am asking?

I would grab Mike MUnchak, and following with your "Tea Leaves" in my view, I think he would 8 to 9 games ion 2016, 10 in 2017, and 10+ in 2018, but then I thought Franklin would be winning 8 or 9 in 2014 and 2015? And I was wrong!

Again, how did the 2016 class of HS seniors affect our on field play?
Again, Clemson and Bama played Freshmen and Walk-ons and did great in 2015, did they not?

Barkley ran great did he not in 2015 as a Freshmen? Whitehead and Ollison did at Pitt in 2015? So why not 2016 recruits at Penn State especially since 2014 and 2015 Recruits were promised they would play by Franklin but had to wait from some Winking Nittany Lies?

Franklin has been at Penn State for TWO years and has two good classes and a third class that looks likes it's going to be good.
Agree, Good Recruiter, 24th 2014, 15th-2015 and maybe 10th-30th-2016 Class! But not showing Very Good Coaching and that is reality not Tea Leaves!

5. Michigan, MSU and OSU is not only showing better Coaching, but higher Recruiting, and Winning 10 games, and beating Franklin in second year better than they did in his first year, so why believe Franklin??? Is my other question to you???

Recruiting Rankings:
Penn State Pitt
Scout 11 38
247 12 38
ESPN 11 Un-Ranked (I could only get access to the top 40)

Huh, you forgot RIVALS???? Now compare Michigan, MSU, OSU too with Rivals too! Franklin plays them more than Pitt!

6. By the way, go look at Northwestern, Temple, Illinois, and Maryland's Recruiting from 2013-2015, and tell us how they Franklin lost to those classes when he had more talent?

^^^this probably doesn't fit your agenda either.
More like, ^^^this probably doesn't fit your agenda either, since you run from reality and facts. But are great at Tea Leave Predictions? Oh, that is right, I apologize Franklin's Promises and Predictions to recruits at 14-12?

Now, if you'd like to discuss some football, or any other subject, as an adult let me know.
I just did, and without Nittany Lies or broken Franklin's Promises to Recruits!!

You got some Questions to Answer, go do some Homework and Man Up! We will wait?

 

[RLRocket]

Captain why would any college give an extension to a coach?It means absolutely nothing and I mean nothing.Why most colleges give one is to get a buyout clause in there so they get something in return when a coach leaves.Coaching contracts are a joke they mean nothing in 2016.Ask WVU what they think about giving Dana an extension?????Their extension meant they would of paid him $8 million if they fired him this year.Do you think Darduzzi's extension will keep him from leaving,if the right offer comes?In my day a contract meant you honored it untill it ran out not today.You always give a coach 4-5 years then decide if he's the man you want. When the cupboard isnt full of goodies when he takes over it takes longer to bake the pie.I love it when people make remarks about someones ability before that person has his guns in order.In two more years I'll make my decision on Franklin's ability to win games at PSU. But of course as my transcript shows I'm not as smart as you guys on here.I've always been a slow learner and rode the short bus!

"But of course as my transcript shows I'm not as smart as you guys on here.I've always been a slow learner and rode the short bus!"

You can cut the "Aw, shucks" act anytime now, Teach. We know you're just being a smarmy nitter with that kind of talk.

The funny thing is, given your spelling, punctuation, grammar, and especially your Joebot thought process, we all do think you're a short bus rider. So the joke's on you, Slappy. Or, more accurately, you're the joke.

And I still can't find the FreeD Report.

 

[pittbb80]

"But of course as my transcript shows I'm not as smart as you guys on here.I've always been a slow learner and rode the short bus!"

You can cut the "Aw, shucks" act anytime now, Teach. We know you're just being a smarmy nitter with that kind of talk.

The funny thing is, given your spelling, punctuation, grammar, and especially your Joebot thought process, we all do think you're a short bus rider. So the joke's on you, Slappy. Or, more accurately, you're the joke.

And I still can't find the FreeD Report.

Scary thing is that this dufus was allegedly "teaching" the next generation................

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"But of course as my transcript shows I'm not as smart as you guys on here.I've always been a slow learner and rode the short bus!"

You can cut the "Aw, shucks" act anytime now, Teach. We know you're just being a smarmy nitter with that kind of talk.

The funny thing is, given your spelling, punctuation, grammar, and especially your Joebot thought process, we all do think you're a short bus rider. So the joke's on you, Slappy. Or, more accurately, you're the joke.

And I still can't find the FreeD Report.

Talk about Bus Rides, The Coaches at Penn state flew to Pittsburgh and took recruits including Hamlin and Hudson on a Small Bus to Penn State during the Snow Storm, so lots of time talking to them all. Pretty smart in my opinion!

I'll leave it to other Posters, especially the younger ones, to figure out if that hurt them or helped them. I have no problem if any or all or some choose Penn State or Pitt or elsewhere!

 

[Bobtown Bart]

You guys are brutel tonight.Captain I love when you correct my thoughts by putting yours below mine.It reminds me of my old college professor Dr Code(rip).I had him for 4 classes and he had the same style on essay questions.He wrote between the lines in big print correcting my thoughts.The guy loved me though and came to all my games.Captain one question are you always right?????All you do is rave about Pitts former great players.I hate to tell you this but today's 18 year olds don't care,they care about one thing me!WVU made a mistake by giving Holgy an extension,it saved Holgy but did nothing for WVU. As far as 2016(in my opinion) its a 7-5 season for PSU at best.What you people will not admit on here is that Bob left nothing but a QB and a couple of wrs on offense.Next years oline will be slightly better but not great.In 2017 he better win 9-10 games.Finally he has his o-line and will be pretty good.His o-line recruitment has been really good and nothing works without them.80 just remember your best educators aren't always your smartest people.What is important is to be dedicated and get the best out of every student no matter their intelligent level.Don't blame PSU or Wvu for my academic short comings,I never took a class at either one!Damn I just wrote as much as the Captain but it doesn't mean there's any substance to it!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Bobtown Bart, post: 808883, member: 9081"]You guys are brutel tonight.
Naw again, just share and correct some PSU Fans & Poster's attempt at Penn State's Slipping Swooning Swagger that reveals Less Success & Little Honor when he misled a visiting Iowa Poster on BWI!

The Iowa Poster like most good Big Ten Posters posted he was looking forward to coming to Penn State in 2016, and ask for some advice to take his family? Nappy Good Nap, told him to take his family to well known Gay Bar without telling the Iowa Poster it was just a joke?

GoodNap then went on another Nittany Liar error to attempt to lecture Pitt Posters on Recruiting Rankings Comparisons leaving out the one that show Penn State fell to 24th and happens to be RIVALS?

Captain I love when you correct my thoughts by putting yours below mine.It reminds me of my old college professor Dr Code(rip).I had him for 4 classes and he had the same style on essay questions.He wrote between the lines in big print correcting my thoughts.The guy loved me though and came to all my games.
I did not correct you, just gave an opposing opinion with some basis of why some facts you may want to consider or re-consider!

We share and learn CFB on the Lair, with an exchange of opinions, facts, and links, and with respect to agree to disagree for all to see?

Your premises where not wrong so we discussed them together and I agree where I can, and not afraid to admit it when I end up wrong either? After all All Grand Experiments In Science to find the Truth or Discovery begin with Trials & Errors and learn from each failure, not made man myths, magic, and made up miracles like The Second Mile? Just one Example of sliding Swagger that never existed except in the Windmills of Good Nap Mind being told they were different from other CFB Programs?

I welcome Undercover Penn State Posters and any CFB Blogger anytime, but "No Penn State Cover Ups!" I also welcome to learn from my own errors as we point out others and will admit and thank one that corrects my own too!

Captain one question are you always right?????
By no means, I just learned a long time ago, that Science and Test Takers are taught that the words "ALWAYS" or "NEVER" are seldom the right answer on SAT's, LSATs, MEDCATs, Bar, Foreign Service Exams?

All you do is rave about Pitts former great players.
Once again, I disagree! It was you that told everyone on the Lair you just believe in Teams not Great Players? You later agreed you were wrong when you applauded you're best Friends Son's Accomplishments on your Team and you're quite proud of all your Players and these were you words not mine? I told you I admire you took the time to Coach too! The contradiction of praising your own Player but not saying that does not apply to Pitt is on you!

In addition, I defended my position, on Pitt being right up there with USC, Miami, OSU, Michigan, ND, and Texas both with more Great Players in NCAA and NFL and NCAA Teams!

Moreover, I went on to say, when and if Penn State or WVU and other CFB Programs produced more or equal or pass the same caliber of Players that PITT has produced in The NCAA & NFL Awards, Records and Accomplishments of Autumn, I can accept and respect that too! Why you can't or BWI PSU Posters is on you and them?

Still, If you noticed Nappy Good Nap, tried to use his selected Recruiting Rankings showing Penn State out Recruits Pitt and I have posted that happens every year???? Yet, you never objected to those facts that Recruits are not Teams?

I hate to tell you this but today's 18 year olds don't care,they care about one thing me!
I disagree, part of "ME" is becoming an NFL Player making Million$! You just have wrong info and many Recruiting Sources ask Recruits what is important to them and it has changed the last 15 years in Priorities at least reported by them.

It used to be #1 was to get an Education, now #1 is to learn to play in the NFL ASAP! It is because a Recruit that becomes an NFL Player faster can make a lifetime of money sooner than he would with another career even with his degree. This is even more so since one can leave after Junior Year or Sophomore if one went to a Prep School! FACT For Most Top Recruits & Players!

Now the other Second Reason, cited by Recruits is to play for a Program that can win a National Championship! But even that has less cachet now that Million$ can be made right way? FACT-As Seen by more Juniors leaving for NFL every year!

FACT-The Pitt Program & Teams has done that far better than Penn State and WVU the last entire century 1900-1999, and last 15, 10, and 5 years? 2000-2015!

This is in direct contradictions with Nappy Good Naps Higher Recruiting Rankings of Penn State last and this century and they still cannot match Pitt's Programs and Players! Unfortunately, for you, in direct contradiction with your own mistaken beliefs, opinions, and claims you think it is all about Teams?

WVU made a mistake by giving Holgy an extension,it saved Holgy but did nothing for WVU.
I agree and I know all about it! It was my close friend & colleague that is a Big Money Booster for WVU and has invited me to many games, I truly enjoy watching WVU! He was asked and gave over $200,000 along with others EVEN MORE, to try and keep CoachRod from leaving Michigan by matching their offer! CoachRod refused anyway, but my Friend told me, they told him they can't give back his money because it was a Donation to the University, he did not mind, he is loaded and loves WVU!

In addition, due to his unique closeness to WVU access gave me more Info. Bill Stewart was made Head Coach and Oliver Luck and other Boosters did not like the direction the WVU Program was going. (Very Similiar to what I experienced when I raised money for Pitt Football in 1970s-80s and when Foge took over)? Foge like Bill Stewart was a great School Alumnus, and Great Assistant, but not so a Great Head Coach even with 9 and 10 wins?

WVU A.D. Oliver Luck, took charge about the same year as Pederson fired Wannstedt and both wanted the hottest Offesneive OC in Holgrosen at that time. The difference is and was told by the Booster Oliver had Holgrosen by WVU's 5th Game to come to WVU and share Coaching with Stewart until Stewart's Buyout runs out? Pederson fired Wannstedt and had no replacement ready. Holgrosen was rejected by Nordenberg anyway, Pederson's other target was Temple's Golden, but he never considered Pitt and went to Miami, and Pitt ended up with Haywood that beat up his child's mother? Leaving Holgrosen Nemesis Todd Graham as another Pederson's Panic hire?

Consequently, Stewart under-minded Holgrosen with Stewart's wife putting out the drinking of Holgrosen at Nemocolin Woodlands, Wheeling & Chester Casino Tracks, and in order to make sure WVU would not lose Holgrosen had huge multiple year Buyout to prevent him from leaving or another School trying to get him?

This Expensive Buyout that looked like a Great Idea at that time, like you say, did turn out to be a mistake and Oliver left for the NCAA anyway, and it was WVU's problem all of last year and will be this year too?

Still, it shows Extensions are important ato CFB Programs, and Recruits and Parents of Recruits do care about the Coach being there, in my opinion.

I submit some examples to back me up. All year LSU was struggling with Les Miles being let go, but once LSU said he is staying, LSU is now in the Top 5 in recruiting! Oliver Luck stated publicly when he signed Holgrosen he wanted to assure Recruits and Players knew he would be at WVU a long time? Harbaugh verbally attacked a Sports Reporter when he was asked he would take the NFL Colts job? So, I submit you are wrong Recruits and Players do not care!

More importantly, Franklin became out upset his name was mentioned for the Miami job after Golden was fired, saying he intends to be at Penn State a long time???? Additionally, Franklin before the MSU Game held a Press Conference for PA Sports Media questioning his Coaching, on Friday, and proclaimed how his Long Time Loyal Staff knows of his Plan to remain at Penn State a long time......then fired Donovan on Monday! Furthermore, Franklin just a few weeks ago Publicly Boasted and Bragged how his Current Assistants won't take and have turned down Lateral Moves and even some of them said, they would be at Penn State Forever!!!...then left??? Finally,now much of the Media has reported turmoil at Penn State, and even A.D. Barbour said she backs Franklin but there must be "MUST WINS"?

And you challenge those Facts above that you can read in in Sports media anywhere with just your opinions, and then tell me Recruits and Players do not care, but Harbaugh, Miles, and even Franklin care?....AND STILL NO PENN STATE EXTENSION For Franklin?

By the way, Paul Chryst just got his Extension for his First Year and currently has Wisky Recruiting Ranked moved up to 28th just 4 slots behind Franklin right now???
PART TWO NEXT POST BELOW:

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

PART TWO:

"Bobtown Bart, post: 808883, member: 9081"]
As far as 2016(in my opinion) its a 7-5 season for PSU at best.
I accept that and will post my own predictions after Spring and August Summer Camps! You as all others are welcome to challenge, share, agree to disagree with them, and I take heat for posting such things on Lair by some Pitt Posters!

What you people will not admit on here is that Bob left nothing but a QB and a couple of wrs on offense.
The entire Lair knows this to be Penn State Fans Facts, TD-6082 says it, Dion, You, GoodNap, and many other fine PSU Posters come to the Lair and say it too on BWI? While postings Narduzzi Extension does not matter, he should leave Pitt, and make fun of him? Such is CFB Fan Banter and life it is called "RIVALS" after all is not?

TD-6082 that I respect much like you and Dion that I don't care if they are or are not PSU Fans, or even GoodNap?

TD6082 and myself had big worthwhile discussion way back last time this year, saying the same things, that he feels Franklin needs time to build a OL? I agreed and felt he was right and Franklin would be a Great Head Coach, and both took beatings by some Lair Posters that differed and made great points to our own wit Facts backing them up? This is why I post here to learn not lecture.

I changed my mind, clearly, Franklin like many Lair posters said, cannot coach up his Players and that can be seen on the Sidelines. Franklin's Long Time Coaches have abandon him too! Franklin's Coaching has actually gotten worse and Temples. Michigan's, OSU's, MSU's and even NW's has gotten better in beating Penn State's Franklin in his 14th to 26th games than his 1st to 13th? Now you guy are saying he needs 2 or 3 more years???

All I know is Big Bob O'Brien with Sanctions, lost Top Players, Recruits, and still won more games than Franklin & Staff? Sorry, but that is coaching, and not just O'Brien but Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio, Rhule, Fitzgerald, and this year add in Ash, Durkin, Narduzzi & Ferentz!!!

Next years oline will be slightly better but not great.
Well, why didn't Franklin say that in 2014 when he took over Penn State? If you are so CORRECT and others here on the Lair that agree with you, why NO EXTENSION from Penn State?? Why did Franklin's Assistants Abandon him???

MORE IMPORTANTLY, to you of all people, WHAT HAPPEN to all those Teams that matter more that Great Recruits or that "All Know It All Coaching Great Players Philosophy" you so BRAGGED about was more important and you proclaim means nothing when it comes to PITT, that lost 4 Recruiting classes, yet still produces better Players and now Teams than PSU?

Me thinks you do protest too much and make excuses for Franklin and Penn State that has way more Recruiting Resources, Top 25 Classes and Talent, but Franklin needs more TIME all of a sudden as turmoil of Franklin's own making engulfs Penn State not giving having the confidence to give him an Extension??? And you dare say, I am Always Right or Never Wrong?And Great Recruits & Players don't matter for Pitt, but are excuses for Penn State????

In 2017 he better win 9-10 games.
So be it, everyone says it on BWI too, and Lair too? I no longer do or buy what you guys are trying to sell? It is my belief if Mike Munchak took over right now, he would win 9 games in 2016!

Finally he has his o-line and will be pretty good.His o-line recruitment has been really good and nothing works without them.
Funny, is this what Former Penn State Offensive Linemen Coach Handy Hand told 4 Star OL Penn State Recruits the last 2 years but left this year???? Is this what fired Minnesota OC/OL Coach Limegrover is telling recruitd this wekend???? Are these Nittany Lies or Nittany Liars????

80 just remember your best educators aren't always your smartest people.
Now that is an Oxymoron hard to refute! I suggest that might be an example of many PSU BWI Posters!

I do not agree, Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin are not Hall of Famers, as far as being Players, but have proven they can all Coach Up Players to win Super Bowls and Championships! Franklin at Vandy or Penn State has not in anyway and your very Oxymoron may also apply to Franklin, may I submit for your consideration! (Having to learn that from Foge Fazio yaers ago!)

What is important is to be dedicated and get the best out of every student no matter their intelligent level.
Well, Dantonio, Harbaugh, Meyer, Rhule, Fitzgerald and Ferentz that will be facing Franklin has proven that as well as Narduzzi in his first year! Why are you making excuses for Franklin??? Has it dawned on you, if these coaches can do it better, with more and some with less talent, isn't that more trouble for Franklin and why he was not given an Extension?

Don't blame PSU or Wvu for my academic short comings,I never took a class at either one!
I do not believe I have attacked any part of your education, grammar, or spelling etc etc. I keep hearing that from you, yet still post when I like your postings.

Also,I admired you dedicated yourself to coaching in the community and said so, and I agree even in this post where I can with you, and augmented the reasons why, with no excuses!

I also defended my own opinions, facts and links in other Posts as I point out deficiencies in others and not limited to you.

As well as, defend Pitt Recruits, Coaches, Teams, Players and Extensions, that deserve just as much respect, but you and others here and on BWI said means nothing, but brag about Recruits, NCAA Players & PSU NFL Players until they Decommit or Leave PSU, but love to put down other CFB Programs, Coaches, Players and Teams?

Damn I just wrote as much as the Captain but it doesn't mean there's any substance to it!
Yes, it does, and you know it too! Good Nap and others too! You laid out like Dion, TD-6082, and GoodNap all the beliefs that Franklin needs until 2018 to win 10 GAMES, but he is not telling that to Recruits RIGHT NOW is he????

The problem some of you have with EXCUSES is what Franklin has RIGHT NOW...Guess what, Dantonio, Meyer, Harbaugh, Rhule, Ferents, and Fitzgerald have already WON 10 Games and some with less Talent that Franklin has had the last 2 Years?

Making excuses for Franklin is a Penn State problem not Pitt!