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No, it doesn't have flame breathing blue dragons, and warring of the clans, at least yet. But this is one of the more compelling TV events that I have seen. To be honest, it is absolutely one of the most frightening, horrific films you can watch. The effects of radiation as it eats away these people is just haunting.

But the whole thing, first off, no big actors to throw you off, so these might as well be the real people. Shot in like that classic "blah" that we often see with anything Soviet from that era.

As someone who once worked as a supplier to the Nuclear Industry and was in charge of some the programs, it is particularly of interest to me. Also, as someone who worked with graphite (this was the reactor matrix) it also was particularly interesting to me.

But the time.....the typical Soviet approach, the disinformation, the lack of honesty and trust, it really seems more like a documentary than a mini series. It is compelling for sure, it is also not easy to watch in some ways, it is gory (radiation sickness) and for engineering geeks it is fairly detailed.

If you are into dungeons and dragons, it may even appeal to you, because no doubt those digging under and entering the reactor area faced a hell none of us will hopefully ever see.

Anyone else watching this?
 
Definitely on my "to-watch" list. Between this, Deadwood, Watchmen, and the His Dark Materials series, HBO has a lot coming out to keep my interest.
 
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I’ve seen some other things on that disaster and it’s haunting.

I’m sure there’s a good bit of artistic license but any opinions on how close this is to reality? I like watching these types of things but prefer close to real.

Stating it’s more like a documentary piques my interest for sure.
 
I’ve seen some other things on that disaster and it’s haunting.

I’m sure there’s a good bit of artistic license but any opinions on how close this is to reality? I like watching these types of things but prefer close to real.

Stating it’s more like a documentary piques my interest for sure.
Oh no....there is no "artistic license" at all. I have watched and read some supplementary items from the real event at the time, this is dead on, dead on, fact based account of what went down. Like I said, the fact that most of the actors would be unrecognizable to all, and it was shot in Lithuania, it is very realistic and watches more like a documentary than a film.

Interesting review from IMDB:

Hi. I'm from Kiev, Ukraine. I was born in 1983 and I was 2 and a half years when the Chernobyl catastrophe happened. I remember 1980s and I can tell that the authors of this film made a GREAT job to show every detail of what the world look for is in the times of Soviet union. The telephones, the clothes, the haircuts, the cracked paint on the window sills, even the door glass is similar to what I remember. There are couple of things which seemed weird to me: firefighters didn't have the red stars on their helmets, and most of the time people use the short forms of the names when they talk to each other (Vasya, not Vasiliy, Lyuda, not Lyudmila). But the most important thing that this film shows is that the soviet authoritiies lied to people about this catastrophe all the time. For example, in Kiev which is 130 km from Chernobyl, nobody knew about the high levels of radiation till the middle of May, they even held a parade on the first of May, when the level of radiation in Kiev was 100 times higher than normal (iodine131 isotope) and nobody gave us the iodine pills. Everyone who tried to tell the truth was called the provocateur and could even be fired from work. I highly recommend to watch this film. This is a tribute to all the heroes who lost their lives in a radioactive flame and saved all of us from death.
 
Another thing...in regards to that review above. I have been in older control rooms (not necessarily Nuclear) but still different plant manufacturing, and the old control room, the gages, the dials, the buttons, how it looked is just dead nuts on........from like a 70's, early 80's era technology before everything went digital and microprocessors.
 
Cool thanks. I’d like to see someone do something on the Union Carbide gassing disaster in India. Seems that doesn’t have the same shelf life as Chernobyl.
 
Another thing, I read somewhere that back then the old Soviets had a wives tale that Vodka could offset the effects of radiation. And true to form, you see all of these rescue and cleanup workers chugging vodka constantly.
 
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I don't think many people fully appreciate the devastation and danger of this event.
Plus, I don't believe it is done.
They built a dome over the hottest area of the reactor, but it failed once and could fail again.
Under that dome there still exists an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Real life documentaries show the danger and bravery of those sent to contain the radiation.
Their lifespan was measured in weeks after exposure.

Towns were evacuated and are still empty to this day.

We came close at Three Mile Island, but Chernobyl was the worse case scenario.
 
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I don't think many people fully appreciate the devastation and danger of this event.
Plus, I don't believe it is done.
They built a dome over the hottest area of the reactor, but it failed once and could fail again.
Under that dome there still exists an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Real life documentaries show the danger and bravery of those sent to contain the radiation.
Their lifespan was measured in weeks after exposure.

Towns were evacuated and are still empty to this day.

We came close at Three Mile Island, but Chernobyl was the worse case scenario.
the first responders, or liquidators, whatever they were called.. man, that is insane. talk about a suicide mission.. beyond heroic if they knew even a fraction of what they were getting into..
 
Recruits comments in the original post are spot on. This is a gripping miniseries and the fact that the events and most of the people are true makes it even better. I think it's one of the best pieces of TV that I have ever seen. The acting is excellent, even though I've never heard of any of the actors/actresses. That makes it even more real. The events are realistic and I haven't found much of anything to be over-dramatized. It's also a really interest look into the Soviet government structure and how the Soviet government tried to minimize the disaster and operate as business as usual. There was actually a very telling scene in one of the first episode where one of the Soviet officials hears that news of the disaster has reached the rest of the world and the West Germans aren't allowing their children to play outside. Meanwhile, they are looking down at children in the town of Pripyat where most of the Chernobyl workers lived and they are outside playing as if nothing happened.

For those watching the series, be sure to listen to the complementary Podcast where the writer of the series breaks down each episode and adds additional depth to the story and characters. Just search "Chernobyl HBO" and you will find it.

I'm actual envious of people who will pick up this series after the episodes have aired because I want nothing more than to binge this series.

Outstanding... can't recommend it enough!
 
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Oh no....there is no "artistic license" at all. I have watched and read some supplementary items from the real event at the time, this is dead on, dead on, fact based account of what went down. Like I said, the fact that most of the actors would be unrecognizable to all, and it was shot in Lithuania, it is very realistic and watches more like a documentary than a film.

Interesting review from IMDB:

Hi. I'm from Kiev, Ukraine. I was born in 1983 and I was 2 and a half years when the Chernobyl catastrophe happened. I remember 1980s and I can tell that the authors of this film made a GREAT job to show every detail of what the world look for is in the times of Soviet union. The telephones, the clothes, the haircuts, the cracked paint on the window sills, even the door glass is similar to what I remember. There are couple of things which seemed weird to me: firefighters didn't have the red stars on their helmets, and most of the time people use the short forms of the names when they talk to each other (Vasya, not Vasiliy, Lyuda, not Lyudmila). But the most important thing that this film shows is that the soviet authoritiies lied to people about this catastrophe all the time. For example, in Kiev which is 130 km from Chernobyl, nobody knew about the high levels of radiation till the middle of May, they even held a parade on the first of May, when the level of radiation in Kiev was 100 times higher than normal (iodine131 isotope) and nobody gave us the iodine pills. Everyone who tried to tell the truth was called the provocateur and could even be fired from work. I highly recommend to watch this film. This is a tribute to all the heroes who lost their lives in a radioactive flame and saved all of us from death.
The realism is amazing. This is why I recommend the complementary podcast because the writer/producer (I think his name is Craig Mazin) talks extensively about how much research they did about the way Soviets talked to each other, the military and anti-contamination gear, the types of everyday items they used, etc. In today's podcast, he talked about how much they researched the Soviet mining industry and how that led to how the miners were portrayed in Episode 3.
 
Another thing, I read somewhere that back then the old Soviets had a wives tale that Vodka could offset the effects of radiation. And true to form, you see all of these rescue and cleanup workers chugging vodka constantly.
Recruits, I'm curious your thoughts on the wife of the firefighter. I don't want to give away much of the details for those that haven't watching, but I could see some people sympathizing with her and seeing her reckless actions as an act of unconditional love, while others probably dislike her for her stupidity.
 
Recruits, I'm curious your thoughts on the wife of the firefighter. I don't want to give away much of the details for those that haven't watching, but I could see some people sympathizing with her and seeing her reckless actions as an act of unconditional love, while others probably dislike her for her stupidity.
Yeah, well I just think her actions were out of ignorance. Who knew really, especially in the Soviet Union where the populace was in the dark over a lot of things.

I especially like in the first couple of episodes, I forget that exactly units of measure, but the radiographic measuring equipment they were using was reading 4.6. To which, and this was said many of times, "what is the radiation? 4.6, which is not good, but not terrible either". That line was repeated by multiple people. The problem is, the instrument maxed out at "4.6" and therefore likely 100's of times this amount in reality.

The other thing, and I saw this more in an ABC Nightline documentary that was aired in May 1986 I just watched (which completely supported all of this miniseries so far) that the first clue that this was serious was the fact there was any admittance, even minor, that Pravda and the Soviet press released. This was a trigger to the West that this was serious.
 
Just wondering, is this event before your time for most of you? Interesting to get a perspective from those who learn about it from a historical perspective and were not around (21 myself and remember it well and have seen several documentaries since then) when it was happening.
 
I was 11 at the time and remember i vividly. Having grown up 10 miles from 3 mile island that scare and event was still in my memory as a youngster. At the time of Chernobyl I was a paperboy so reading the front page news with updates as I folded the papers everyday had my attention.
 
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Just wondering, is this event before your time for most of you? Interesting to get a perspective from those who learn about it from a historical perspective and were not around (21 myself and remember it well and have seen several documentaries since then) when it was happening.
I was 10 when it happened so I do remember the news stories, but also remember that time period growing up and how we still feared the Soviets very much. That’s what makes this miniseries so great — not only is the story itself gripping, but it’s also a look at life and government behind the Iron Curtain.
 
Just wondering, is this event before your time for most of you? Interesting to get a perspective from those who learn about it from a historical perspective and were not around (21 myself and remember it well and have seen several documentaries since then) when it was happening.
I was in college by then....so yeah, I can remember this happening.
 
Cool thanks. I’d like to see someone do something on the Union Carbide gassing disaster in India. Seems that doesn’t have the same shelf life as Chernobyl.
Eddie: Say Clark, was that your company that killed off all them people in India not long ago?

Clark: Nah. We missed out on that one Eddie.

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the first responders, or liquidators, whatever they were called.. man, that is insane. talk about a suicide mission.. beyond heroic if they knew even a fraction of what they were getting into..
Watched a Frontline on the Fukushima disaster and the first responders to that, what they had to face and how they knew it was suicide-likely to be slow and agonizing.

Remarkable what feats people are capable of when faced with a catastrophe. I
 
Masha is Ukrainian and we visited Chernobyl on my second visit there. The entire area still is devastated. How much of that is attributable to danger and how much is attributable to concerns about long term effects from the soil and water I can’t quantify.
It’s an area you visit with a guide. You don’t go there for a family picnic. You don’t pick fruit off the trees. With its limited resources, I don’t know how Ukraine can deal with it long term. (Masha was born in Turkmenistan and didn’t move to Ukraine until after the disaster so fortunately she had no direct exposure to the the radiation.)

It didn't make the emotional impression on me that visiting a concentration camp does. I had to start “small” on that by visiting Thieresenstadte in The Czech Republic first, then Matthausen in Austria. After those two I thought I was ready for Auschwitz. I wasn’t. I don’t know how anyone could be.

For all the beautiful sites to see in Europe, there still are some of the worst killing fields in world history. We try to visit one on every trip. When we went to the Basque Country, we took four wonderful tours: one to visit Basque farms and vineyards; one to visit Basque artisans in the villages where they live and work; one to visit Basque France; and one tour of San Sebastián. But, we also went to Guernica. I had seen the painting first when it was in the MOMA in NYC. They had built a room around it. It affected me so much I spent over an hour sitting and looking at it. I literally could not stand up and walk away. I saw it again in Madrid. It is in a huge room there, and that greatly takes away from the impact IMO. But seeing the real town was sobering. The Basques deliberately have left most of the devastation untouched.
 
Another great HBO movie that really depicts the Soviet Union and its environment, again well shot, peeling paint, weird colors of paint, women in bubushka's, etc...and their overall backwardness from the rest of the world, is Citizen X. It is about a Soviet serial killer not unlike a John Wayne Gacy who murdered mostly children and the Russian detective employed to catch him. Again, the movie is really well done and acted, but it also really provides what life was like in the Soviet Union in the 70's and 80's.
 
Just started watching it last night and I'm hooked. The story is completely gripping and they appeared to have done an excellent job with the realism. The clothes, equipment, phones, even the flashlights seemed spot-on. The newspapers also had obituaries in Russian. Just finished episode 2 and got the chills. Chernobyl is what happens when you can't rely on the government to tell the truth. Those who might lose power put everyone else in danger by putting out misinformation, distributing faulty or not enough equipment, etc. It's exactly why you need to hold politicians accountable for lies and corruption, even in the West.

I have to disagree about the cast's lack of notoriety. Although it doesn't have "huge" stars, several members of the cast are quite accomplished. the two leads - Jared Harris and Stellan Skarsgaard - are fairly famous. Harris plays Elizabeth II's father in the Crown on Netflix and Skarsgaard was in most of the Thor movies. Maester Luwin is also in it (the old man in the local Communist party who advocated for the coverup on the night of the incident).

I can't wait to watch the rest of it.
 
Just started watching it last night and I'm hooked. The story is completely gripping and they appeared to have done an excellent job with the realism. The clothes, equipment, phones, even the flashlights seemed spot-on. The newspapers also had obituaries in Russian. Just finished episode 2 and got the chills. Chernobyl is what happens when you can't rely on the government to tell the truth. Those who might lose power put everyone else in danger by putting out misinformation, distributing faulty or not enough equipment, etc. It's exactly why you need to hold politicians accountable for lies and corruption, even in the West.

I have to disagree about the cast's lack of notoriety. Although it doesn't have "huge" stars, several members of the cast are quite accomplished. the two leads - Jared Harris and Stellan Skarsgaard - are fairly famous. Harris plays Elizabeth II's father in the Crown on Netflix and Skarsgaard was in most of the Thor movies. Maester Luwin is also in it (the old man in the local Communist party who advocated for the coverup on the night of the incident).

I can't wait to watch the rest of it.
Skarsgaard likely is most recognizable for his role as the math professor in Good Will Hunting. Jared Harris has a solid resume. But they aren't so recognizable, and some of these actors (obviously foreign) are completely anonymous. My point is sometimes movies go for the big names, and people go see say Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford as someone that obscures the actual plot or movie. These actors aren't big enough to overshadow the actual story.
 
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Skarsgaard likely is most recognizable for his role as the math professor in Good Will Hunting. Jared Harris has a solid resume. But they aren't so recognizable, and some of these actors (obviously foreign) are completely anonymous. My point is sometimes movies go for the big names, and people go see say Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise or Harrison Ford as someone that obscures the actual plot or movie. These actors aren't big enough to overshadow the actual story.

Oh yeah, I forgot about him in Good Will Hunting.

You make a good point. I think HBO does a good job of finding good, aspiring talent that won't overshadow the script. Game of Thrones had a bunch of nobodies except for Sean Bean who was promptly killed. Same with the Wire.
 
I love the article I read that called it the "real life Medusa". Saying basically, if you are close enough to look at it, you will die.
Yessir. If this event would've been something from someone's imagination (i.e. a work of fiction), it would've been thought of as too farfetched to ever be possible.
 
I love the article I read that called it the "real life Medusa". Saying basically, if you are close enough to look at it, you will die.

I think they also called it "Medusa" because when they tried to photograph it directly, it destroyed the camera. So they had to use a mirror and photograph it indirectly from around the corner. Sort of like how Harry Hamlin did to the real Medusa in the classic Clash of the Titans.
 
Another great HBO movie that really depicts the Soviet Union and its environment, again well shot, peeling paint, weird colors of paint, women in bubushka's, etc...and their overall backwardness from the rest of the world, is Citizen X. It is about a Soviet serial killer not unlike a John Wayne Gacy who murdered mostly children and the Russian detective employed to catch him. Again, the movie is really well done and acted, but it also really provides what life was like in the Soviet Union in the 70's and 80's.

Soviets had little concern for human life--hence during the cold war, unlike the U.S., they never separated their nuclear weapons enterprise from nuclear power generation as did the U.S. and western countries.

Hence:

1. Their nuclear reactors that were used to generate electric power were also used for the dual purpose of producing nuclear material for bombs.

2. Their reactors were built without containment domes because it was cheaper and human life was not important enough to them to bother. This made Chernobyl possible.

Contrast the above with Three Mile Island:

Because the Three Mile Island unit that suffered a partial core meltdown had a containment dome the only radioactive release to the environment was a quantity of radioactive steam intentionally released after the event to release pressure from within the dome. The actual consequence of that intentional release was an exposure to a "hypothetical" individual at the plant fence line at the time of the steam release (no one was actually there) equivalent to a single medical Chest X-Ray. Some Serendipity also resulted: The public scare caused by media over-hype (in the wake of the then recent China Syndrome movie) caused a number of people to go to the doctor to be checked for cancer. This, in turn, resulted in a number of incipient/early stage cancers (totally unrelated to the Three Mile Island Event) to be discovered early enough to be successfully treated/cured. So the end result was that the Three Mile Island event actually saved lives rather than harming anyone.
 
Masha is Ukrainian and we visited Chernobyl on my second visit there. The entire area still is devastated. How much of that is attributable to danger and how much is attributable to concerns about long term effects from the soil and water I can’t quantify.
It’s an area you visit with a guide. You don’t go there for a family picnic. You don’t pick fruit off the trees. With its limited resources, I don’t know how Ukraine can deal with it long term. (Masha was born in Turkmenistan and didn’t move to Ukraine until after the disaster so fortunately she had no direct exposure to the the radiation.)

It didn't make the emotional impression on me that visiting a concentration camp does. I had to start “small” on that by visiting Thieresenstadte in The Czech Republic first, then Matthausen in Austria. After those two I thought I was ready for Auschwitz. I wasn’t. I don’t know how anyone could be.

For all the beautiful sites to see in Europe, there still are some of the worst killing fields in world history. We try to visit one on every trip. When we went to the Basque Country, we took four wonderful tours: one to visit Basque farms and vineyards; one to visit Basque artisans in the villages where they live and work; one to visit Basque France; and one tour of San Sebastián. But, we also went to Guernica. I had seen the painting first when it was in the MOMA in NYC. They had built a room around it. It affected me so much I spent over an hour sitting and looking at it. I literally could not stand up and walk away. I saw it again in Madrid. It is in a huge room there, and that greatly takes away from the impact IMO. But seeing the real town was sobering. The Basques deliberately have left most of the devastation untouched.
 
Masha is Ukrainian and we visited Chernobyl on my second visit there. The entire area still is devastated. How much of that is attributable to danger and how much is attributable to concerns about long term effects from the soil and water I can’t quantify.
It’s an area you visit with a guide. You don’t go there for a family picnic. You don’t pick fruit off the trees. With its limited resources, I don’t know how Ukraine can deal with it long term. (Masha was born in Turkmenistan and didn’t move to Ukraine until after the disaster so fortunately she had no direct exposure to the the radiation.)

It didn't make the emotional impression on me that visiting a concentration camp does. I had to start “small” on that by visiting Thieresenstadte in The Czech Republic first, then Matthausen in Austria. After those two I thought I was ready for Auschwitz. I wasn’t. I don’t know how anyone could be.

For all the beautiful sites to see in Europe, there still are some of the worst killing fields in world history. We try to visit one on every trip. When we went to the Basque Country, we took four wonderful tours: one to visit Basque farms and vineyards; one to visit Basque artisans in the villages where they live and work; one to visit Basque France; and one tour of San Sebastián. But, we also went to Guernica. I had seen the painting first when it was in the MOMA in NYC. They had built a room around it. It affected me so much I spent over an hour sitting and looking at it. I literally could not stand up and walk away. I saw it again in Madrid. It is in a huge room there, and that greatly takes away from the impact IMO. But seeing the real town was sobering. The Basques deliberately have left most of the devastation untouched.
Damn Mike, I respect your love for history and honoring some of these sites and respecting the innocent lives lost but dang, next vacation, hit up a beach and look at some girls in bikinis with a frozen rum drink in your hand, will ya? you earned it..
 
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I was waiting for the miners to tell the head of the Ministry of Mines that they would dig the hole if he was there with them, same with the 3 men who went into the water to open the valve.
 
Oh no....there is no "artistic license" at all. I have watched and read some supplementary items from the real event at the time, this is dead on, dead on, fact based account of what went down. Like I said, the fact that most of the actors would be unrecognizable to all, and it was shot in Lithuania, it is very realistic and watches more like a documentary than a film.

Interesting review from IMDB:

Hi. I'm from Kiev, Ukraine. I was born in 1983 and I was 2 and a half years when the Chernobyl catastrophe happened. I remember 1980s and I can tell that the authors of this film made a GREAT job to show every detail of what the world look for is in the times of Soviet union. The telephones, the clothes, the haircuts, the cracked paint on the window sills, even the door glass is similar to what I remember. There are couple of things which seemed weird to me: firefighters didn't have the red stars on their helmets, and most of the time people use the short forms of the names when they talk to each other (Vasya, not Vasiliy, Lyuda, not Lyudmila). But the most important thing that this film shows is that the soviet authoritiies lied to people about this catastrophe all the time. For example, in Kiev which is 130 km from Chernobyl, nobody knew about the high levels of radiation till the middle of May, they even held a parade on the first of May, when the level of radiation in Kiev was 100 times higher than normal (iodine131 isotope) and nobody gave us the iodine pills. Everyone who tried to tell the truth was called the provocateur and could even be fired from work. I highly recommend to watch this film. This is a tribute to all the heroes who lost their lives in a radioactive flame and saved all of us from death.
I think they might still have significant levels of radiation. :)
 
I’ve seen some other things on that disaster and it’s haunting.

I’m sure there’s a good bit of artistic license but any opinions on how close this is to reality? I like watching these types of things but prefer close to real.

Stating it’s more like a documentary piques my interest for sure.

I have seen documentaries and read up on this, and as others noted it is spot on as to the events of the disaster, and its effects.

The forced servitude and rank incompetence from the centralized government is what we are rabidly descending into.
 
No, it doesn't have flame breathing blue dragons, and warring of the clans, at least yet. But this is one of the more compelling TV events that I have seen. To be honest, it is absolutely one of the most frightening, horrific films you can watch. The effects of radiation as it eats away these people is just haunting.

But the whole thing, first off, no big actors to throw you off, so these might as well be the real people. Shot in like that classic "blah" that we often see with anything Soviet from that era.

As someone who once worked as a supplier to the Nuclear Industry and was in charge of some the programs, it is particularly of interest to me. Also, as someone who worked with graphite (this was the reactor matrix) it also was particularly interesting to me.

But the time.....the typical Soviet approach, the disinformation, the lack of honesty and trust, it really seems more like a documentary than a mini series. It is compelling for sure, it is also not easy to watch in some ways, it is gory (radiation sickness) and for engineering geeks it is fairly detailed.

If you are into dungeons and dragons, it may even appeal to you, because no doubt those digging under and entering the reactor area faced a hell none of us will hopefully ever see.

Anyone else watching this?
Well done and spot on - chilling.
 
I dated a girl originally from Kiev. Her family left after Chernobyl. The mom was a pediatrician and got to see some bad stuff. I think the radiation made her crazy too!
 
It is amazing. Been hooked since it first aired. Sad to see how the USSR govt allowed more deaths than needed to be due to their insular and secretive nature.
 
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