OT: Coach Cowher named to NFL Hall of Fame

[Fk_Pitt]

guarentee the Steelers playing in the HOF game.

How exciting. Lol.

Here’s a preseason question for those who may know better. I’ve hated Roethlisberger’s camp/preseason workload in recent years. Does anyone have thoughts on his elbow and what caused it? I’ve always thought his lack of a workload always caused the Steeler offense to sputter in the first 1/4 of the season, which has contributed to missed playoffs, or less of a seeding come playoffs. Does anyone think his elbow could have been injured due to the same reason? Like a MLB pitcher who was not stretched out enough in spring training?

 

[NCanton Panther]

I don’t think the elbow was because of the lack of preseason playing time, it’s not like the elbow doesn’t get stretched out in practices.

I do think their typical poor play/slow start to most seasons is due to it. However, what they do with 1st string playing time during preseason is no different than other teams. They just must not be as effective as other teams in preparing their starters in practice for the regular season.

This past year’s opener against NE is a glowing example. Can’t expect them to win that game going into NE but what they showed was a pathetic unprepared performance.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

How exciting. Lol.

Here’s a preseason question for those who may know better. I’ve hated Roethlisberger’s camp/preseason workload in recent years. Does anyone have thoughts on his elbow and what caused it? I’ve always thought his lack of a workload always caused the Steeler offense to sputter in the first 1/4 of the season, which has contributed to missed playoffs, or less of a seeding come playoffs. Does anyone think his elbow could have been injured due to the same reason? Like a MLB pitcher who was not stretched out enough in spring training?

I don't know if the elbow injury was related but I do agree with you on the annual slow start by the offense comes from them having so few reps together all through August.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I don’t think the elbow was because of the lack of preseason playing time, it’s not like the elbow doesn’t get stretched out in practices.

I do think their typical poor play/slow start to most seasons is due to it. However, what they do with 1st string playing time during preseason is no different than other teams. They just must not be as effective as other teams in preparing their starters in practice for the regular season.

This past year’s opener against NE is a glowing example. Can’t expect them to win that game going into NE but what they showed was a pathetic unprepared performance.

Contrarily, they played a NE team that doesn’t look to the rest of the league to see what they are doing. They do things their way. How many times have you seen a NE team in the preseason and saw Brady taking significantly more snaps than Ben. I know I have. You want to be the man you have to beat the man, and I know I’d be emulating them. Other than the cheating of course.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I was thinking the same thing.

I think Tomlin has been Cowhers equal. Both have been very good coaches. Both are 1-1 in Superbowls. I would keep the HOF for coaches as a very high bar. Otherwise you might as well let every coach who wins a Superbowl in the hall.

My HOF coaches (im sure I'm missing a few):
Lombardi, Noll, Gibbs, Parcells, Paul Brown, Shula, Belichek, Walsh, maybe Jimmy Johnson, Halas, I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch from the older years. Heck, maybe Tom Coughlin given he outcoached the greatest coach twice on the biggest stage.

Happy for Cowher though, especially being a Crafton guy like me.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

How exciting. Lol.

Here’s a preseason question for those who may know better. I’ve hated Roethlisberger’s camp/preseason workload in recent years. Does anyone have thoughts on his elbow and what caused it? I’ve always thought his lack of a workload always caused the Steeler offense to sputter in the first 1/4 of the season, which has contributed to missed playoffs, or less of a seeding come playoffs. Does anyone think his elbow could have been injured due to the same reason? Like a MLB pitcher who was not stretched out enough in spring training?

I think getting tackled and falling on his arm was more the cause -
It wasn’t a strain.

 

[BFo8]

Exactly. Tomlin is not a Hall of Fame coach.

But if you let in Cowher then you have to let in Tomlin.

All time NFL wins by a coach

1. Don Shula - 328 Wins. <
2. George Halas - 318 Wins. < ...
3. Tom Landry - 250 Wins. < ...
4. Curly Lambeau - 226 Wins. ...
5. Paul Brown - 213 Wins. ...
6. Marty Shottenheimer - 200 Wins. ...
7. Chuck Noll - 193 Wins. ...
8. Dan Reeves - 190 Wins.

Other coaches with Super Bowl Wins not in Hall of Fame

* Tom Coughlin 170 wins
* Mike Shanahan 170 wins
* Mike Holmgren 161 wins
* Bill Cowher 149 wins
* Mike Tomlin 133 wins

How is Andy Reid not on this list? Has over 200 career wins.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Exactly. Tomlin is not a Hall of Fame coach.

But if you let in Cowher then you have to let in Tomlin.

All time NFL wins by a coach

1. Don Shula - 328 Wins. <
2. George Halas - 318 Wins. < ...
3. Tom Landry - 250 Wins. < ...
4. Curly Lambeau - 226 Wins. ...
5. Paul Brown - 213 Wins. ...
6. Marty Shottenheimer - 200 Wins. ...
7. Chuck Noll - 193 Wins. ...
8. Dan Reeves - 190 Wins.

Other coaches with Super Bowl Wins not in Hall of Fame

* Tom Coughlin 170 wins
* Mike Shanahan 170 wins
* Mike Holmgren 161 wins
* Bill Cowher 149 wins
* Mike Tomlin 133 wins

Don't know how I forgot Landry.

I'd put a guy like Mike Holmgren a tick above as well. He resurrected two moribund franchises.

Mike Tomlin is a deserved lock if he can get the Steelers back to the top given their current sorry state.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Can stop guessing who the 2nd coach will be. Just sprung it on JJ the same way they did on Cowher...

 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

We’ve got Cleveland who has hired 15 coaches and they’ve all stunk. Then we’ve got the steelers who’ve hired 3 and 2 of them are in the HoF and 1 more is on his way

@Matt Steinbrink thoughts?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Can stop guessing who the 2nd coach will be. Just sprung it on JJ the same way they did on Cowher...

JJ deserves it given what he did in such a short time in Dallas.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

 

[happjack]

The "Centennial Class" that Cowher, Johnson and possibly Donnie Shell are part of will be inducted during the "Centennial Celebration" they're having at the Hall of Fame in September. It's also a different committee selecting the "Centennial Class" the only Steeler affiliated voter is Dick LeBeau who might not be a big advocate for Donnie Shell like Gil Brandt will be for Cliff Harris and Drew Pearson and John Madden will be for Cliff Branch.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...tennial-slate-for-hof-revealed-jan-15-on-nfln

 

[Pitt79]

Yea I can see how people think he may be marginal but when you dig in to the numbers he belongs.

Too bad it took him as long as it did to get the franchise QB. Then he did and won. And bailed.

That was his flaw, he was the one that undervalued the QB position, he stupidly thought you could win with a game manager QB, Bettis and a great D. Found out otherwise every time he fell behind by an insurmountable number of points (like TEN LOL ) in the AFC Championship Games. Then rumor has it, Dan Rooney forced him to pick Ben, he was stupid, wanting to draft a DB or OT instead.

 

[pittdan77]

I had forgotten that Jimmy Johnson was an assistant coach at Pitt.

 

[pittdan77]

Troys a slam dunk. And Cowher is a head scratcher IMO.

Cowher is a popular guy in NFL circles. People forget that this is as much of a popularity contest as anything. I think Troy is well liked and few people will debate is on the field play.

Faneca doesn't feel automatic. Nobody will ever question his run blocking. He was dominant in that regard. Pass blocking was another issue. He was a repeated all-pro, though, so that helps. Good for him if he makes it.

 

[lilspainishflea]

That was his flaw, he was the one that undervalued the QB position, he stupidly thought you could win with a game manager QB, Bettis and a great D. Found out otherwise every time he fell behind by an insurmountable number of points (like TEN LOL ) in the AFC Championship Games. Then rumor has it, Dan Rooney forced him to pick Ben, he was stupid, wanting to draft a DB or OT instead.

IIRC, the rumor was that Cowher wanted that guard from Arkansas...Shawn Andrews I think was his name. Had a decent career but obviously no Ben.

Glad whoever it was made the decision to take a QB. Honestly, at the time I really wanted Rivers because I thought we had the team talent to win quickly with him but I thought Ben would ultimately be the best of the bunch.

Also thank God Cleveland took Kellen Winslow ahead of Ben lol.

 

[Pitt79]

IIRC, the rumor was that Cowher wanted that guard from Arkansas...Shawn Andrews I think was his name. Had a decent career but obviously no Ben.

Glad whoever it was made the decision to take a QB. Honestly, at the time I really wanted Rivers because I thought we had the team talent to win quickly with him but I thought Ben would ultimately be the best of the bunch.

Also thank God Cleveland took Kellen Winslow ahead of Ben lol.

There was also a DB named Dunta Robinson that Cowher supposedly wanted as well.

 

[Pitt79]

Cowher always valued EVERYTHING ELSE over filling the QB position with the highest quality player possible, even trading up and even overpaying, QB is THE MAIN COMPONENT, everything else comes after.

 

[caleco's]

* Top 20 in Regular season wins
* Top 20 in Winning Percentage of coaches with more than 50 wins
* One of only 6 coaches to win at least 7 Division Titles
* Super Bowl winner

If that isn't HOF, then not many coaches are

with todays cocahing enviroment not many woild be included. League parity and the revolving door of coaches will severly limit these inductions forward.
couple this with cowher doing it all at one gig and he looks incredibly impressive.

 

[NTOP]

with todays cocahing enviroment not many woild be included. League parity and the revolving door of coaches will severly limit these inductions forward.
couple this with cowher doing it all at one gig and he looks incredibly impressive.

They'll need a water-proof rostrum for his speech at Canton.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Saw on twitter that Rooney is hearing good things about Donnie Shell. If true that’s tremendous.