Let’s lower his buyout and let him go somewhere to hire one of LYke’s buddies. I’m sick of ncaa tournament appearances and f4’s
OT - Dan Fisher - can’t win the big one
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Another great season for the ladies… in all seriousness, Fisher should have a lifetime contract
I was thinking EXACTLY this regarding
Fisher and Vidovich in regards to Dixon. Couple differences. They both have 2 Final Fours and both are arguably the best coaches in their sport. That said, even if they did slip to become bubble programs and they wanted to walk away, I will say the same thing I said about Dixon. Let them walk if you are GUARANTEED to get a better coach. Inotherwords, you have to have the next coach unofficially hired and before waving a buyout. Letting Dixon walk to do an actual coaching search and ending up with Retirement Mode Stallings was perhaps the dumbest decision an AD has ever made. I dont care if Dixon didnt want to be here. He had a contract. He should have been made to abide by the contract unless you could have gotten someone better.
Why do some continue with these lies about Dixon? He was pushed out by an idiot AD and some redneck trucker guy who is a big booster of Pitt, unfortunately. Dixon wanted to stay at Pitt and stated that numerous times. That's just the way it was. Pitt was the party that wasn't honoring the contract with the poor handling of that whole debacle. Pitt was being very poorly run when Dixon was pushed out and we hired a guy who was the walking dead as a basketball coach. If you disagree, that's fine. It doesn't change the facts.
Lyke needs to make sure this truckster moron is NOT involved with any decisions, either directly or indirectly, about any of our coaches any longer, including volleyball and soccer. He should have zero input into any of that. If he is involved, Pitt may as well just cancel those sports and quit.
Or they could’ve not lowered the buyout because you probably can’t hire a better coach. Dixon tried to leave TCU 2 years ago for UCLA, TCU enforced the buyout, it didn’t workout. The results? The best 2 teams in TCU history
The two most important jobs of an athletic director are to keep the good coaches that you inherited happy, and to hire good coaches. It’s almost laughable how big of a failure Barnes was at #1.
This has been explained ad nauseum on this board. I don't have the time to rehash the facts. You can look it up in previous threads over the past 5 years.
The fallacy in your argument is that there are no guarantees in the coaching hiring process. Sure, hiring K would have been a guarantee, but he was not available.
Well, yea, there were like maybe 10 "guarantees" and they werent coming here. So yea, dont lower his buyout.
Sometimes I wonder what we could have done with an extra $10? million or so if TCU's big oil guys just paid the buy out.
I think we would have still hired Kevin Stallings lol
They werent going to pay it so we would have been "stuck" with Jamie instead of the Stallings era.
Na. It's cause we don't have an on campus, volleyball only arena. Pretty soon though, he won't have any excuses!
Barnes thought coaches would be knocking each other over to get the Pitt job due to him being some sort of basketball guy. A true idiot who ranks among the worst in Pitt's AD history, which says a lot.
My point is that you do not know you have "someone better" until that someone is here for a few years and proves it. The buyout is irrelevant to the process of hiring a new coach - it is mostly a crap shoot regardless. Barnes was surely an idiot for lowering the buyout, but his biggest failure was in the hiring of a new coach. If the new guy had been successful, no one would really care about the buyout.
And my point is that if you are going to eliminate or reduce a buyout for a successful coach to leave, you better already have a more successful sitting HC unoficially hired. Otherwise, make them pay the buyout.
The college sports graveyard is littered with schools whose athletic directors believed they could easily replace a high-quality coach with an even better one.
Are you really this ignorant? In any coaching situation if the administration gives you headaches it is time to move on....I once heard Spike Dykes say this......."In coaching, if you do the right thing every year you are gonna piss-off 5%-10% of the people, after seven or eight years...Hell you do the math, if you don't like how you are being treated don't bitch, move" ...it kinda loses its effect without his West Texas accent.
Here's the thing. Regardless of all that, at the end of the day, Dixon accepted the TCU job. Nobody at Pitt had the power or authority to force him to accept the TCU job. He could have chosen to stay at Pitt and either remain head coach or force Pitt to fire him and pay him his buyout money.
He did not do that.
Dixon could have turned down the TCU job. What would have happened then?
I actually couldn't agree more. While were at it, lets cut his recruiting budget! If he wants to continue recruiting them California Girls... Well he better be willing to make the drive instead of flying.
If I were in Dixon's shoes and treated the way he was by the administration and big boosters, it wouldn't have taken me as long as it did Dixon to accept that TCU job. He was, essentially, FORCED to accept another job that was being offered because of the incompetence and arrogance of the Pitt administration and the truckster doofus and others.
How would Pitt have fired him? On what basis? He was getting us to the post-season and we routinely were winning 20+ games every year. They couldn't fire him on the basis of non-performance. He was an honorable man and was never in trouble in any way that would detract from the university. The only way Dixon leaves, based on his intentions even a day before he left, was to be forced out by the idiot squad. And he wasn't going to stay under those conditions with morons running the show. He's much better off where he is and doing what he's doing instead of at Pitt.
I know this. But he had a contract. There is nothing Barnes could have done to push him off. He could have made him mad by not agreeing to change the carpeting or not reimbursing some meals but there wasnt anything Barnes could do to make Dixon leave other than fire him.
Seriously? 20+ wins and getting in the post-season isn't good enough to keep a job long term at most places. And it's not like a school needs a reason to fire a coach. All they have to do is pony up the buyout money and send the coach on his merry way.
There was a lot of apathy in the program in Jamie's last 5 years. The Pete wasn't filling up. Attendance was, in fact, dwindling. Jamie's conference record in his last 5 years was right around .500 He only had one NCAA Tournament win in his last 5 years. He totally missed out on the NCAA in 2 of those 5 years. Those results, combined with an overall downward trend get a lot of coaches ran.
It's fair to talk about the incompetence of the Pitt administration (i.e. Barnes), but it was just as incompetent when Pitt gave Dixon a 10 year contract extension right after getting thrashed by Wichita State in a first round NCAA tournament game. He rewarded that decision by finishing 5th, 9th, and 9th in the ACC respectively, and one NCAA tournament game win over Colorado in the next 3 years.
Put yourself in the shoes of the booster. It's really not hard to see why a booster writing big checks would be more than a little pissed, especially when there was really nothing to suggest the future was going to be any brighter under Dixon. Dixon put his name out there more than once through the years as leverage to get more money out of Pitt. Not saying that this was definitely the case here, but that stuff adds up with big boosters over the years. Sometimes it comes to a breaking point where its not about doing what is best for the program anymore, its just about getting rid of a guy. (in this case Dixon)
Instead of suffering through the last 7 years of the Stallings/Capel debacle, Pitt missed out on 7 more years of sub-.500 ACC records & early round NCAA tourney exits, possibly with some NIT appearances tossed in there to break up the monotony. Wow. What could have been.
If you win 20+ games and make the NCAA tournament almost every year, then you are doing a great job at Pitt. Anyone that says otherwise is brain dead.
There’s like 8 places in the country that should compete for a title year in year out this wouldn’t be acceptable.
You’re also talking about a two year stretch under Dixon (Jamie’s first ACC team in 2013-14 was legitimately very, very good) where the ACC was probably as tough from top-to-bottom that it’s ever been, and right up there for as tough as any conference has ever been.
The 20 win mark is open to discussion. If the OOC is littered with cupcakes, then I don't think 20 wins really means a lot. Just my opinion.
I think conference record is a better indicator. In the ACC, anywhere from a third to at least half the league is going to be in the NCAA tournament field every year. Struggling to go .500 in the conference and getting in with an 8 to 10 seed, with a subsequent early exit isn't doing a great job, in most cases. Whether it even keeps a coach employed or not depends on the school, recent history, trajectory, and whether it feels like that level is a plateau or stepping stone.
There are a lot of places that rarely, if ever, compete for titles where that isn't good enough. Like I said in another post, a lot it has to do with the trajectory of the program.
To answer your question at the beginning of your post, yes....seriously.
The rest of what you wasted so much time writing is lies and comes from someone who doesn't know what really happened. YOU and fans like you were part of the incompetence and arrogance that pushed Dixon out. YOU are the reason we were force fed a coach who slept through practices and was the most incompetent coach in the NCAA. But he was a perfect match for the Pitt administration of that time and for the truckster doofus.
Some Pitt fans, like you, just amaze me at your shortsightedness and arrogance. This program and our current coach owe you nothing. They owe us nothing. We're just fans, short for fanatics and nut cases. This game is entertainment for us, nothing more. Try and keep a perspective on that. Character and perspective really do matter.
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But Barnes DID do something to push him away and made him leave, with the help of the truckster doofus. Dixon couldn't see being around crap like what was at Pitt at the time. It was totally unacceptable to him. Contracts are broken all of the time for a number of reasons. Unfortunately if Dixon was even offered $10mil/yr. right now to coach at Pitt and as long as the truckster doofus is still a major donor, Dixon wouldn't want any parts of that. I wouldn't blame him one bit. Why put yourself in the gutter with that?
I didn't write anything that's a lie. Anything that was speculation on my part was clearly worded as such.
Jamie made himself expendable by feeding Pitt .500 conference records, no excitement in March and dwindling in his last 5 years. We aren't talking about a year or two down period. FIVE YEARS. Only programs that have a long history of being a bottom feeder would look at Jamie's last 5 years at Pitt and view it as successful.
And you’d probably give Narduzzi a lifetime contract. No point in arguing with this football fan
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