I’m getting mad again about that first ACC Pitt team being #16 in kenpom and getting a goddamn 9 seed in the toughest region lmao
And for Tyler Ennis hitting that half court shot
And for Tyler Ennis hitting that half court shot
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That was a very very good team. NET wasnt used back then and I wonder what our seed would have been if it were. I remember our BPI was 9 but the committee didnt use that. Our RPI was in the 30s or 40s and that's how they seed. I used to do Bracketology back then and had us as a 5 and I was never off by 1 or 2. Like all of our losses were to Top 3 type seeds and all close. What hurt us though is the ACC was so weird that year. The top was very good, you couldn't beat them. The middle and bottom were bad so we beat all of them but didnt get "points" for it.
You say you didn't write anything that's a lie, then you write something again that's a lie.
Like Bballinsider said, no use arguing with a football fan. Especially about basketball when you know nothing about what happened.
I don’t disagree but even “on paper” hiring Stalling was a completely underwhelming choice. And it would have felt the same way regardless of the search firm shenanigans.
I’m sure he thinks it’s perfectly ok that Narduzzi blew 2 easy games this year by hiring the wrong coordinator and that 8-4 is football ceiling in the terrible coastal while Pitt basketball who was routinely at the top of the Big East when it was loaded should have instantly transferred new conferences and beat out the Duke’s and Carolina’s of the world.
No one did and those with a few brain cells get it. Some continue to perpetrate the myth.
I usually stay out of this part of the discussion, but I think you've got that exactly right. People with a few brain cells get it.
People with more than a few know that he was.
You're a riot, Joe. Please point to me with something, anything meaningful that proves your point other than not-so-witty message board noise. Cause I haven't read it yet. Nothing in the media. Nothing rooted in common sense. So what exactly did this big, bad booster do to push out Dixon? Were you in the room with Dixon, Barnes and Gallagher? Can you please elaborate?
I eagerly await.
I see you're someone who can't read. Both myself and others have provided the requested info. If you're unable to read, I suggest you go back to 3rd grade where you belong and learn to read. You're a waste of time, NUMBNUTS.
For starters, college football & college basketball have completely dynamics. If Narduzzi can't muster anything better than a .500 conference record over the next 3 seasons, he will either be gone, or feeling big time heat.
Let's stick with FACTS.
Here is Jamie's record in his last 5 years at Pitt.
Overall Conference Postseason
22-17 5-13 CBI
24-9 12-6 NCAA - round of 64 loss
26-10 11-7 NCAA - round of 32
19-15 8-10 NIT
20-12 9-9 NCAA - round of 64
Those are the facts & that is why he was forced out. That's why boosters wanted rid of him.
It's worked out well for Jamie. He's at a place where his 42-64 conference record & first weekend NCAA flameouts are celebrated.
Please point out the part that isn't factual.
They’re not facts. It’s all speculation. Dixon was negotiating with TCU since January of the year he left. He wanted away from Barnes. It was as much Jamie as it was Barnes. Even Steven.
The only thing you stated that was correct was that Jamie wanted away from Barnes for obvious reasons. The rest is your speculation.
I’ve been told by someone who is business associates with Jamie’s agent. I know what I’m talking about. I don’t need your validation.
Correct. The ACC in football, specifically the coastal division, is pathetic. You should get out of bed and win 7 games.
narduzzi’s record with the only first round QB before he was granted (along with everyone else) an extra year… namely because he completely botched Kenny’s true freshmen year… 21-17. If Kenny transferred like he thought about, Duzz would be toast. Instead they stupidly gave him an extension and he massively underperformed this year and will probably go 6-6 next.
Same here. I don't need your validation, especially with 3rd hand information. I knew Jamie and talked to him regularly when he was in Pittsburgh during this period of time.
Spot on Mr. Marty. 1985 has provided nothing but speculation and a narrative that is said often enough that it becomes fact. I ask him to point out ONE fact and I get a juvenile post and name-calling. JHC, common sense would tell you that the last thing a new AD and chancellor would do would be to push out Pitts's most successful basketball coach. If we are going to speculate, I offer that Dixon may have felt he could do no more with the program, wanted to move on, and found a really cushy soft landing. It's not as though he never flirted with other offers during his tenure.
Many have contributed to the demise including Dixon. Unpopular opinion but true nonetheless.
LOL! He was my neighbor for 4 years.
It's OK. We can agree to disagree. It's irrelevant now anyhow. I don't want this to get personal because basically I respect you and your posts are generally pretty good. So let's cool it and leave it at that.
So you're saying Duzz has built the program up to where 8-4 is massively underperforming?
Good on Duzz.
I thought this was the basketball board, not football. Why are we talking about Narduzzi anyhow?
No. Having a team that should’ve lost 1 game and lost 4 is massively underperforming. And he’s lost games he shouldn’t have every year. He’s performing at a worse mark than Dixon in an easier position and you act like he’s some great coach. The ACC coastal is straight shit. SHIT. Not what the ACC was when hoops entered or the big East was in hoops. Not even close.
Dumb take here bball. Stick to hoops.
Basically every school in the ACC besides Clemson would love to have the stability and consistency of Narduzzi. Not like anything makes Pitt inherently better than Clemson, FSU, Miami, Louisville, UNC, VT, NC State. Hell even GT has insane talent around them.
I’m not saying he’s perfect but pushing him out would be equally as stupid as pushing out Dixon.
And the whole “what if Kenny transferred” argument is beyond dumb. You could use that for any team ever.
You'll never convince any of the football jocks on here that your take is correct. I don't know what it is about them...maybe their synapses in their brains aren't firing all the way. Or maybe they have "football brain". But you're right about what you said. In the ACC Coastal, Narduzzi should be able to get his team to win every game. Just no excuses. I really don't want to see what they'll do next year. It won't be pretty.
Making the NCAA Tournament is a success at Pitt. Winning 8 or more games in football is a success at Pitt. The bar should never be moved.
The "losing games they shouldn't" thing is beyond ridiculous. You could probably say that about 99% of the coaches in college football every year. But if you are going to go there, perhaps you would like to break down Jamie Dixon's NCAA tourney performance and tell us his record vs higher seeds and vs lower seeds.
I'm not trashing Dixon. I think he's a good coach. His first 8 years at Pitt were awesome. But his last 5 years were big decline from the first 8. It's a fact that his conference record his last 5 years were .500, and he only had 1 NCAA tourney win and only qualified for the tourney. Attendance was shrinking, the program was stagnant and there was a feeling that the program would most likely decline further under his leadership than rebound to what it once was. I don't see how any of that can be disputed.
Dixon's first 8 years at Pitt were irrelevant when he was pushed out. He was pushed out because his last 5 were mediocre and the trajectory wasn't looking good. Narduzzi won the ACC last year. That's Pitt's only outright conference title in program history and the best season at Pitt almost 40 years. That was only a year ago and it kinda still matters when discussing Narduzzi's job security. Three or four years down the road, it won't.
LOL. This is a flat out crazy take. That's the same mentality of the batshit crazy Dixon haters that had their pitchforks out after he failed to make it past the round of 32 as a #1 seed. You give the man credit for setting the bar that high and move on. It's being stuck in the middle of the pack or below, with seemingly no evidence of breaking into the top half, that is a problem. (similar to where Pitt hoops was in Dixon's last 5 years.)
So your argument for Duzz to me was that he raised the expectations that 8-4 is a disappointment. Wouldn’t that be the exact same thing for Dixon!?? How do you not see that JUST making the NCAA tournament given the decade pre-Ben and the 7 years since is LITERALLY the exact same thing you’re using to defend Duzz.
So now we get the football jocks slamming Dixon because he had one of his last 5 years with below 20 wins. Yes, his last 5 years were not up to typical Dixon standards of 28+ wins. One had 24 and one had 26. But at this point, we're looking at a great season being 16 wins, maybe 17 wins. That would have been grounds for firing not long ago. I doubt that under the present coaching regime, we'll get to 25 wins again. You don't force out a coach with that kind of record unless you have multiple doofuses making decisions (Barnes and truckster doofus).
For Narduzzi to reach those heights of the so-called worst years of Dixon, he'd have to consistently be at 9 wins or more in the regular season. How many times has that happened under Narduzzi? I don't count exhibition games as they shouldn't be counted unless they're in the CFP. And remember, Narduzzi is playing in a crappy ACC Coastal. It's really bad. Dixon never had that luxury in any season he was here, Big East or ACC.
For Narduzzi to reach those heights of the so-called worst years of Dixon, he'd have to consistently be at 9 wins or more in the regular season. How many times has that happened under Narduzzi? I don't count exhibition games as they shouldn't be counted unless they're in the CFP. And remember, Narduzzi is playing in a crappy ACC Coastal. It's really bad. Dixon never had that luxury in any season he was here, Big East or ACC.
I don't care which sport is the supposed generator of more revenue. I enjoy basketball a lot more than football, and that's all that matters to me. Sure, we have a football team and I go to some of the games with friends and family. It's just not fun watching the unending "play under reviews" and lack of action. I heard once that in a full football game, there is only about 11 minutes of real action on average. Sorry, but that doesn't get my attention. And basketball only takes 2 hours usually.
I'm a huge college basketball fan too. I plan on attending several college hoop games this year. I'm just not a hardcore Pitt basketball fan. I like Pitt and I like to see them do well. I'll gladly jump on their bandwagon if and when they get things turned around. FWIW, I'll probably still end up watching a few games this season.
I'm a total bandwagon hopper when it comes to college hoops and my allegiance is subject to change on a whim.
I understand that you have an emotional attachment to Jamie being his neighbor and all. But it wasn't just a truckster doofus. The vibe in the hoops program was not good for his last few years at Pitt. Lots of fans were ready to move on. I don't think he should have been forced out, but it was obvious that things were going in the wrong direction and weren't going to end well for Jamie at Pitt.
Jamie Dixon, Pitt fans were both ready for breakup
Jamie Dixon's successful, frustrating tenure as Pitt basketball coach had to come to an end.
You either know what happened behind the scenes, which was provided by many on this message board who have repeatedly shown to be in the know, or one just believes whatever they want because they didn't understand the sport in the first place and they feel it somehow supports their dead wrong position on the events. Many, including myself, warned what could happen if these moron boosters and fans got their way, and that was before any deal was finalized or any replacement was hired. I have never been so sad to be so correct, and frankly, wouldn't even have predicted such a quick and thorough destruction of the program, although I'm not surprised in the least with what has happened. To be ignorant of college basketball, both the community and sport, for one to have actually cheered pushing Dixon out in 2016 is one thing, but to continue to argue the narrative that it was a necessary move after enduring six subsequent, horrifying losing seasons (ignominiously tying the all-time program streak not seen since 1947-1952) only confirms that it continues, for some, to be more about not losing a 6-7 year-old indefensible argument than it is about an rational examination of the topic.
And I caution people about equivocating Narduzzi or any other sports coach about what happened with the basketball program. They are too many differences in the situations and contexts.
And I caution people about equivocating Narduzzi or any other sports coach about what happened with the basketball program. They are too many differences in the situations and contexts.
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Other than those that thought Sean Miller was on his way back, I don't remember anybody really cheering about Dixon being pushed out. At the same time, the last 5 years of the Dixon era were agonizing in its own right.
I just don't know of any school that has tasted even the slightest tinge of success in their past that would look at the last 5 years of the Jamie Dixon at Pitt and be envious.
You clearly weren't anywhere near this board in spring 2016 then.
Good coaches don't forget to coach. Nearly all successful coaches experience some down cycles and rebuilding periods during their coaching tenures at some point, which shouldn't be unexpected following major transitions, like changing conferences and having your major recruiting pipelines severed. What actually happened was Pitt went from a period of unprecedented historical performance at the very top of all college basketball to falling back to the middle of the power 5 pack for a short period of time. Whether Pitt could have returned any where near the prior top-level program excellence after the then short period of mediocrity will never be known, and frankly, that prior level of consistent excellence would be an absolutely anomaly for the vast majority of power 5 hoops programs, historically. But blowing up a non-pedigree program like Pitt, as opposed to letting a proven coach attempt to rebuild, was not only misguided but much more likely to result in the disaster of the last 6 years than returning the program to anywhere near where Jamie had it at its modern peak. The worst case scenario, is yes, Pitt remained mediocre by its 2000s standards, occasionally getting to the NCAA tournament but never falling below .500. Frankly, with how weak the ACC has been, Pitt likely would have been challenging in the top third of the conference most of these past few years.
What we've seen in the wake of the decisions to move Dixon out has resulted in a program tying record of futility. If the team doesn't at least get to .500 this season, Pitt will earn a streak never before seen in 115 seasons of sponsoring varsity basketball. Coming off a program record 16 consecutive winning seasons and post-season appearances with the most difficult conference schedules in basketball, at this point, there is no defending the decisions that were made in 2016. If one had intentionally set out to destroy an athletic program, you couldn't have done it more rapidly and effectively than did Mr. Barnes.
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Yeah making the dance 3/4 seasons and playing in the post season every year were so tough
Only it wasn't a short period. It was 5 years. And there was nothing to suggest that things were going to improve under Jamie's leadership. Also, Jamie did himself no favors with the fan base with his futility in the NCAA tournament. I think there would have been a lot more people on board with giving Jamie a little more time to rebuild if he had proven he could perform in the post season.
Jamie has been in coaching 20 years. We all know who he is by now. He's a coach that is going to schedule an embarrassing slate of OOC games, post a conference record of around .500, possibly sneak in the tourney - and in all likelihood make a first weekend exit. Wash-Rinse-Repeat.
Barnes isn't responsible for the current state of the basketball program. He hasn't been around for over 5 years. That's on the current administration.
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