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OT: Dave Parker

Finally made the HOF. Unpopular take: He let the Pirates down the last few years here with the drug use. Production went down (and his weight went up) after world series season. Without the drugs, might have been the best all-time ever.

Still, I liked the Cobra in his prime but disappointed how it ended.

The Hall of Pretty Good.

All the HOF's let in pretty good, not great players. I've always thought a HOF should be reserved for legends. Players to be feared. Parker was pretty good. Not a great player.
 
Finally made the HOF. Unpopular take: He let the Pirates down the last few years here with the drug use. Production went down (and his weight went up) after world series season. Without the drugs, might have been the best all-time ever.

Still, I liked the Cobra in his prime but disappointed how it ended.
best all-time ever? uh, no, never a possibility even if he was clean...
 
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Finally made the HOF. Unpopular take: He let the Pirates down the last few years here with the drug use. Production went down (and his weight went up) after world series season. Without the drugs, might have been the best all-time ever.

Still, I liked the Cobra in his prime but disappointed how it ended.
I think he was held out for so long because I think he intimidated some of the reporters and they took that out on him with the drug stuff. Just saying it was a bigger problem than anyone in baseball was willing to admit and he certainly wasn't the only one.

Best all time? No, but in his era, he didn't have many peers.
 
Parker was my favorite Pirate as a kid, but he’s a really borderline HOF’er. Dick Allen is a different story, I think it can be argued he should’ve been voted in the conventional way years ago.
 
Oh yes he would have been in that discussion - if he was clean. True 5 tool player and that's not debatable!

ev·er
/ˈevər/
adverb
1.at any time.
2.at all times; always.

In the age of Judge and Ohtani or predecessors to this age such as Ken Griffey Jr. or Stan Musial et al it is absurd to imply he is anywhere near that discussion...
 
Barry Bonds was the best thing to happen for Parker in Pittsburgh.

A bigger villain who didn’t win a title while performing poorly in the post-season. Makes it easier to let go of old bygones for a star on the last championship. He was hated here in the 80s though.

That said, Parker > Dick Allen and many others (Harold Baines) already in the HOF.
 
Finally made the HOF. Unpopular take: He let the Pirates down the last few years here with the drug use. Production went down (and his weight went up) after world series season. Without the drugs, might have been the best all-time ever.

Still, I liked the Cobra in his prime but disappointed how it ended.
I will never forget being at 3 Rivers and seeing him hit a line drive home run off of the Dodgers. The ball never was more than 10 feet off the ground and was still rising when it hit the wall for a home run. It hit so hard it ricocheted back on the field.
 
any dude who can pull that hat off deserves to be in the Hall of fame.

Pittsburgh Pirate Dave Parker - 1976 : OldSchoolCool | Pittsburgh ...
 
ev·er
/ˈevər/
adverb
1.at any time.
2.at all times; always.

In the age of Judge and Ohtani or predecessors to this age such as Ken Griffey Jr. or Stan Musial et al it is absurd to imply he is anywhere near that discussion...
Ohtani yes, but Judge is not a five tool player. Griffey - he's in the discussion but you lost credibility mentioning Musial. I like Stan but to suggest he was a legit five tool is insane.
 
Dick Allen is a different story, I think it can be argued he should’ve been voted in the conventional way years ago.


Dick Allen is proof, if anyone needs any more of it, that sports writers as a whole are a bunch of horse's asses.
 
Dick Allen is infinitely more deserving of the Hall than Parker in my opinion. Parker had a small run as one of baseball’s best players, but he couldn’t have been a Top 50 player in the decade of the 80s.
 
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Dick Allen is infinitely more deserving of the Hall than Parker in my opinion. Parker had a small run as one of baseball’s best players, but he couldn’t have been a Top 50 player in the decade of the 80s.
A small run?
Career highlights and awards
 
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Those are nice accolades but he was not a Hall of Fame level player at any point throughout the only full decade that he played.
 
Baseball Reference has some interesting comparison tools worth looking at. His 2 biggest player comps are Luis Gonzalez and Bobby Abreu. Good players, but not Hall of Famers — and also not coke heads.
 
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Baseball Reference has some interesting comparison tools worth looking at. His 2 biggest player comps are Luis Gonzalez and Bobby Abreu. Good players, but not Hall of Famers — and also not coke heads.
I saw all three of those players play…Abreu and Gonzales ain’t even close to Parker! Throw that Baseball Reference in the fireplace.
 
Baseball Reference has some interesting comparison tools worth looking at. His 2 biggest player comps are Luis Gonzalez and Bobby Abreu. Good players, but not Hall of Famers — and also not coke heads.

Hall of Famer equals = made the All-star team a couple times. Shouldn't be that way but it is. Brian Giles and Jason Kendall are probably next up.
 
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I saw all three of those players play…Abreu and Gonzales ain’t even close to Parker! Throw that Baseball Reference in the fireplace.
They also played in the steroid era so the numbers are skewed.
 
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Hall of Famer equals = made the All-star team a couple times. Shouldn't be that way but it is. Brian Giles and Jason Kendall are probably next up.
Well using your logic(which is somewhat of an oxymoron with you) Parker should have been in years ago given he was a 7 time all star and has one all star MVP.
 
Well you want to talk about him in the 80s when his best seasons were in the 70s, so there is that.
I’m saying that his “Hall of Fame years” lasted 3, maybe 4 years. What did he do that was Hall of Fame worthy for the last 11-12 years of his career?
 
I’m saying that his “Hall of Fame years” lasted 3, maybe 4 years. What did he do that was Hall of Fame worthy for the last 11-12 years of his career?
You really need to work on your math - he made the all-star team in 77 and his last in 90.
 
You really need to work on your math - he made the all-star team in 77 and his last in 90.
You do realize that it’s possible to make All-Star Games without being a Hall of Famer right? Do you want to put Jason Kendall and Bryan Reynolds in the Hall while you are making your argument?
 
You do realize that it’s possible to make All-Star Games without being a Hall of Famer right? Do you want to put Jason Kendall and Bryan Reynolds in the Hall while you are making your argument?
You do understand you had to be pretty good to make one back in those days. And given his time from his first appearance to his last, that cancels your "Hall of Fame years” lasted 3, maybe 4 years" argument. But keep trying...you'll get to a point that makes sense.

Parker's career achievements include 2,712 hits, 339 home runs, 1,493 runs batted in and a lifetime batting average of .290.

Add this to the previously listed accolades - I think that's pretty damn good!
 
Parker's career achievements include 2,712 hits, 339 home runs, 1,493 runs batted in and a lifetime batting average of .290.

Add this to the previously listed accolades - I think that's pretty damn good!


List of right fielders in the Live Ball era who hit at least .290 with at least 300 home runs and at least 2,700 hits:

Hank Aaron
Al Kaline
Mel Ott
Dave Parker
 
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Well you want to talk about him in the 80s when his best seasons were in the 70s, so there is that.


Just to put the numbers on it, from 1975-1979:

.321/.377/.532/.909
147 OPS+
Averages: 23 hr, 98 rbis, 17 steals
3 Gold Gloves
2 batting titles
1 MVP

That's a pretty darn good peak. His problem is doughnut hole in the middle of his career when the drugs got in the way of playing ball.
 
Finished top-5 in MVP voting 5 times and top-10 2 other times in a 16-year span.

Kinda crazy that he won a batting title while hitting 20+ homers and being an elite fielder and didn't make the All-Star game that year.

He was a great player by any reasonable definition. The years he threw away on drugs hurt him for sure but he also became the face of the overpaid prima dona athlete. The fans and media hated him. Now that he's ill, that hate has subsided.
 
Great player in his day, but there’s a lot of revisionism going on with his candidacy.

This reminds me of the guys on this board who act like the Wannstedt years were as good as Jackie Sherrill’s.
 
Mic drop except that an entire generation of voters didn’t see him as a Hall of Famer
Due to his disdain towards the media and the drug case. That's why they need to let the players decide, not some old guy who doesn't understand anything other than his limited scope and environment.
 
Comparison with Jim Rice:

Dave Parker: 2,712 hits, 339 HRs, 1,493 RBIs, BA .290.
7× All-Star (1977, 1979–1981, 1985, 1986, 1990)
2× World Series champion (1979, 1989)
NL MVP (1978)
3× Gold Glove Award (1977–1979)
Silver Slugger Award (1985, 1986, 1990)
2× NL batting champion (1977, 1978)
NL RBI leader (1985)
All Star MVP (1979)

Jim Rice:
2452 hits, 382 HRs, 1451 RBIs, BA .298
All-Star (1977–1980, 1983–1986)
AL MVP (1978)
2× Silver Slugger Award (1983, 1984)
3× AL home run leader (1977, 1978, 1983)
AL RBI leader (1978, 1983)

There's never a discussion as to whether Jim Rice deserves to be in the HOF.... Case Closed....
 
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Parker's career achievements include 2,712 hits, 339 home runs, 1,493 runs batted in and a lifetime batting average of .290.
Add to that his defensive ability, he is a no doubter . The only reason for the delay is that he was a "Dope" before he started using drugs and was a dope after, if he ever quit.
 
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