OT: Initial PSU/Populous Release

[pittdan77]

Not much detail yet.

Extensive Beaver Stadium Renovations Included in Master Plan

At a time to be determined after the initial five years, the master plan calls for substantial renovations to Beaver Stadium, which was constructed in 1960 and has expanded seven times, most recently in 2001. The upgrades include a significant increase in chairback seating, new concessions locations and food options, new restrooms, wider concourses and additional premium seating options, which alumni and fans requested in surveys conducted during the master planning process.

Once the extensive renovation is complete, which will significantly improve fan amenities and experience, Beaver Stadium will have a capacity of at least 100,000, maintaining its stature as one of the nation's largest and most iconic facilities. Improvements to the tailgating experience around Beaver Stadium also is included in the study.

http://www.gopsusports.com/genrel/031317aac.html

 

[Breeze90]

Apparent cost of $500M plus for Beaver Stadium, the largest stadium renovation in football history. How PSU fund that amount I'm not sure.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Apparent cost of $500M plus for Beaver Stadium, the largest stadium renovation in football history. How PSU fund that amount I'm not sure.

Duquesne and RMU are spending $40 million on arenas for non-existent basketball programs with literally only a couple hundred fans each. You dont think PSU can afford half a billion?

Pitt could write a check tomorrow for $300 million to buy land, demolish it and build a stadium. Its not a question of money. These universities are rolling in it. Its a question of priorities. Pitt doesn't put as much value on an on-campus stadium experience.

 

[NTOP]

Duquesne and RMU are spending $40 million on arenas for non-existent basketball programs with literally only a couple hundred fans each. You dont think PSU can afford half a billion?

Pitt could write a check tomorrow for $300 million to buy land, demolish it and build a stadium. Its not a question of money. These universities are rolling in it. Its a question of priorities. Pitt doesn't put as much value on an on-campus stadium experience.

You think they just have that around in loose cash? No freaking way. The Endowment can't be touched for that stupid idea.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Duquesne and RMU are spending $40 million on arenas for non-existent basketball programs with literally only a couple hundred fans each. You dont think PSU can afford half a billion?

Pitt could write a check tomorrow for $300 million to buy land, demolish it and build a stadium. Its not a question of money. These universities are rolling in it. Its a question of priorities. Pitt doesn't put as much value on an on-campus stadium experience.

You think they just have that around in loose cash? No freaking way. The Endowment can't be touched for that stupid idea.

I didn't say that. If Duq and RMU can find $40 million without breaking a sweat, a school like Pitt with exponentially more resources can find exponentially more dollars.

 

[ThePanthers]

You think they just have that around in loose cash? No freaking way. The Endowment can't be touched for that stupid idea.

He over simplifies things. Not even worth arguing anymore. See is latest response. That will show you why.

 

[NTOP]

I didn't say that. If Duq and RMU can find $40 million without breaking a sweat, a school like Pitt with exponentially more resources can find exponentially more dollars.

Did they borrow the cash?? Where was it??

 

[PantherDave724]

Duquesne and RMU are spending $40 million on arenas for non-existent basketball programs with literally only a couple hundred fans each. You dont think PSU can afford half a billion?

Pitt could write a check tomorrow for $300 million to buy land, demolish it and build a stadium. Its not a question of money. These universities are rolling in it. Its a question of priorities. Pitt doesn't put as much value on an on-campus stadium experience.

Which is why there is such a gap in perception among the 2 programs. You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Breeze90]

 

[ThePanthers]

Did they borrow the cash?? Where was it??

UPMC, People Gas and a few other corporate sponsors are building it.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...ak-ground-this-year-on-new-events-center.html

 

[ThePanthers]

Which is why there is such a gap in perception among the 2 programs. You hit the nail on the head.

No he didn't.

UPMC is paying a large part of this, and in turn they will have a ton of branding, will now become RMUs exclusive health provider for it's athletes and RMU has to go through UPMC for insurance.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...ak-ground-this-year-on-new-events-center.html

It wasn't given "free" money like SMF is saying from donors. RMU has now committed a lot to UPMC. Pitt already has these relationships with UPMC.

 

[JHud986]

Maybe we can call the beaver renovations the hiding of the child rape behind the brick wall.
After all paterno and the three stooges put up a brick wall to hid Sandusky.

 

[Burgh15]

Looks like a cheap version of an SEC stadium.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You think they just have that around in loose cash? No freaking way.

Check the couch cushions in the Chancellors office.

 

[Piranha]

Apparent cost of $500M plus for Beaver Stadium, the largest stadium renovation in football history. How PSU fund that amount I'm not sure.

PS put football ahead of the welfare of children. They already sold their soul to the devil, so might as well go out in a blaze of glory.

 

[jup540]

Maybe we can call the beaver renovations the hiding of the child rape behind the brick wall.
After all paterno and the three stooges put up a brick wall to hid Sandusky.

Man, that joke was unnecessarily labored. Gotta love being able to tie everything back to child rape though. Fun board.

you reaching for joke:

 

[CaptainMurphy]

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I don't like PSU but I'll be the first to admit how nice that rendering looks. It looks like an NFL stadium aside from the goofy, Heinz-field like upper deck on the open end. Just take that off, replace it with a massive scoreboard, and it would be near perfect.

Also, you don't see anything concrete about the BJC. You'd think they'd start there since it would probably be a cheaper and quicker fix (and needed more than football renovations as that place has the charm and character of a mausoleum).

 

[PantherDave724]

No he didn't.

UPMC is paying a large part of this, and in turn they will have a ton of branding, will now become RMUs exclusive health provider for it's athletes and RMU has to go through UPMC for insurance.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...ak-ground-this-year-on-new-events-center.html

It wasn't given "free" money like SMF is saying from donors. RMU has now committed a lot to UPMC. Pitt already has these relationships with UPMC.

I wasn't talking about RMU. I was talking about Penn State. Keep up

 

[ThePanthers]

I wasn't talking about RMU. I was talking about Penn State. Keep up

PSU is catching up to the times. That stadium is so far behind. It's about time they did it. They also got alumni that care, even though they've been mostly mediocre for the past 30 years and went through a huge scandal.

Pitt can't say that.

 

[PantherDave724]

PSU is catching up to the times. That stadium is so far behind. It's about time they did it. They also got alumni that care, even though they've been mostly mediocre for the past 30 years and went through a huge scandal.

Pitt can't say that.

Ahhh...hence the reason I said that's the reason for the gap between the programs.

 

[H2Pittisit]

Duquesne and RMU are spending $40 million on arenas for non-existent basketball programs with literally only a couple hundred fans each. You dont think PSU can afford half a billion?

Pitt could write a check tomorrow for $300 million to buy land, demolish it and build a stadium. Its not a question of money. These universities are rolling in it. Its a question of priorities. Pitt doesn't put as much value on an on-campus stadium experience.

My favorite argument is the argument that Pitt doesn't win because it doesn't care argument. You think that might be it or the fact that teams have larger donating alumni bases with 100k stadiums charging 50+ a ticket and we have 35k coming with 5-10 dollar tickets....ya UPMC is not funding football because it shouldn't


Pitt game
40k 15 dollars a ticket * 7 home games
4.2 million

Penn State game
100k * 50 a ticket * 7 home games
35 million

Now span that over 10 years

 

[NTOP]

PSU is catching up to the times. That stadium is so far behind. It's about time they did it. They also got alumni that care, even though they've been mostly mediocre for the past 30 years and went through a huge scandal.

Pitt can't say that.

Pitt didn't have a big scandal.....but THEIR mediocrity beats our version every way from Sunday.

 

[pittdan77]

I don't like PSU but I'll be the first to admit how nice that rendering looks. It looks like an NFL stadium aside from the goofy, Heinz-field like upper deck on the open end. Just take that off, replace it with a massive scoreboard, and it would be near perfect.

Also, you don't see anything concrete about the BJC. You'd think they'd start there since it would probably be a cheaper and quicker fix (and needed more than football renovations as that place has the charm and character of a mausoleum).

I'm trying to figure out how that top deck will be brought around to mesh in like that. Looks nice but it's not on the books to even get started for several years. Guessing the concept will change a little but it looks nice. Should make it a bit more weather friendly.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I'm trying to figure out how that top deck will be brought around to mesh in like that. Looks nice but it's not on the books to even get started for several years. Guessing the concept will change a little but it looks nice. Should make it a bit more weather friendly.

Looks like they'd have to demolish the other, older end zone deck.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Which is why there is such a gap in perception among the 2 programs. You hit the nail on the head.

No he didn't.

UPMC is paying a large part of this, and in turn they will have a ton of branding, will now become RMUs exclusive health provider for it's athletes and RMU has to go through UPMC for insurance.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbur...ak-ground-this-year-on-new-events-center.html

It wasn't given "free" money like SMF is saying from donors. RMU has now committed a lot to UPMC. Pitt already has these relationships with UPMC.

Eff UPMC then. Go to Highmark and get them to give you $100 million for Highmark Field in Oakland. All university employees would receive Highmark insurance.

Where did Duquesne get the money?

All I'm saying is if minnows, Duq and RMU can find $40 million very easily, Pitt can raise much more than that.

 

[ThePanthers]

Eff UPMC then. Go to Highmark and get them to give you $100 million for Highmark Field in Oakland. All university employees would receive Highmark insurance.

Where did Duquesne get the money?

All I'm saying is if minnows, Duq and RMU can find $40 million very easily, Pitt can raise much more than that.

Oh my.

 

[NTOP]

Eff UPMC then. Go to Highmark and get them to give you $100 million for Highmark Field in Oakland. All university employees would receive Highmark insurance.

Where did Duquesne get the money?

All I'm saying is if minnows, Duq and RMU can find $40 million very easily, Pitt can raise much more than that.

Pitt doesn't want an on-campus stadium. What part of that don't you understand? We came up with enough...$115 million??...19 years ago for the Pete. It'd cost twice that today. These schools only raised a fraction of that, and have no real FB program to fund.
T.Boone Pickens could drop another $250 large on OSU, but there's no need. He could also jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. Just having the $$ isn't a reason to spend it on something fans would like to see. There is no rationale for an on-campus stadium.
Call Tepper. Hint: He's not dumb.

 

[H2Pittisit]

My favorite argument is the argument that Pitt doesn't win because it doesn't care argument. You think that might be it or the fact that teams have larger donating alumni bases with 100k stadiums charging 50+ a ticket and we have 35k coming with 5-10 dollar tickets....ya UPMC is not funding football because it shouldn't


Pitt game
40k 15 dollars a ticket * 7 home games
4.2 million

Penn State game
100k * 50 a ticket * 7 home games
35 million

Now span that over 10 years

And add in the fact the Big 10 teams earn more than ACC. Endowments mean very little in football. Donations and Revenue

 

[21Guns.]

Pitt doesn't want an on-campus stadium. What part of that don't you understand? We came up with enough...$115 million??...19 years ago for the Pete. It'd cost twice that today. These schools only raised a fraction of that, and have no real FB program to fund.
T.Boone Pickens could drop another $250 large on OSU, but there's no need. He could also jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. Just having the $$ isn't a reason to spend it on something fans would like to see. There is no rationale for an on-campus stadium.
Call Tepper. Hint: He's not dumb.

Actually $66 million of that $119 million was from the state. The project was suppose to cost far less but went way over budget. Pitt had trouble financing their part of the project and had to rely on the state to keep giving them more money. The state was originally suppose to contribute only $13 million. That why it took almost a decade to get the arena built from when it was first proposed. If someone like Tepper was willing to write a check for a new stadium, Pitt would have a new stadium. Heck even if they had enough donors to pay for half it would be built. The problem is Pitt simply doesn't have the donors to support the project. Unfortunately for Pitt their biggest athletic booster died in 2015.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

And yet you hang on the PITT board like a little puppy

Actually $66 million of that $119 million was from the state. The project was suppose to cost far less but went way over budget. Pitt had trouble financing their part of the project and had to rely on the state to keep giving them more money. The state was originally suppose to contribute only $13 million. That why it took almost a decade to get the arena built from when it was first proposed. If someone like Tepper was willing to write a check for a new stadium, Pitt would have a new stadium. Heck even if they had enough donors to pay for half it would be built. The problem is Pitt simply doesn't have the donors to support the project. Unfortunately for Pitt their biggest athletic booster died in 2015.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

I think they're making a tremendous mistake rebuilding it as a 100,000 seat facility.

You look at their crowd and it looks like Golden Girls episode, with thousands and thousands of old people in the stands. Aging Boomers still clinging to their college years. Add in that more people either can't pay the rising costs for tickets or won't because the at-home experience is so much better than it was and they would be better served with a 90,000 seat facility.

But we know damn well their pomposity would never permit it.

 

[eastcoasthoops]

Eff UPMC then. Go to Highmark and get them to give you $100 million for Highmark Field in Oakland. All university employees would receive Highmark insurance.

Where did Duquesne get the money?

All I'm saying is if minnows, Duq and RMU can find $40 million very easily, Pitt can raise much more than that.

You are running off in NeverNeverLand again...

Go ask RMU and Duquesne how "easy" this process has been.

I think you believe that giant gobs of cash literally rain from the sky and all you have to do is put out some buckets to collect it.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Actually $66 million of that $119 million was from the state. The project was suppose to cost far less but went way over budget. Pitt had trouble financing their part of the project and had to rely on the state to keep giving them more money. The state was originally suppose to contribute only $13 million. That why it took almost a decade to get the arena built from when it was first proposed. If someone like Tepper was willing to write a check for a new stadium, Pitt would have a new stadium. Heck even if they had enough donors to pay for half it would be built. The problem is Pitt simply doesn't have the donors to support the project. Unfortunately for Pitt their biggest athletic booster died in 2015.

Many of the over runs were mostly the fault of the state, because the state insisted on multiple contractors. The state ran the entire construction project and was responsible for the budget, not the university.

It also "ballooned" because they rolled three separate capital projects into one: a water chiller plant, a student rec center, and the arena. That's never mentioned in gottya articles. The original project wasn't anything remotely similar to the final project, and it had nothing to do with marble toilets or golden faucet fixtures.

 

[zwicker]

I think they're making a tremendous mistake rebuilding it as a 100,000 seat facility.

You look at their crowd and it looks like Golden Girls episode, with thousands and thousands of old people in the stands. Aging Boomers still clinging to their college years. Add in that more people either can't pay the rising costs for tickets or won't because the at-home experience is so much better than it was and they would be better served with a 90,000 seat facility.

But we know damn well their pomposity would never permit it.

I think Pitt would have been better served by not tearing down their stadium and having to rent a stadium.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I think Ped St would have been better served if their administration would have reported child rapes by their coach.

I think Pitt would have been better served by not tearing down their stadium and having to rent a stadium.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

I think Pitt would have been better served by not tearing down their stadium and having to rent a stadium.

Yeah. I agree with you. Your point? You said not one damn thing that refutes my claim. Just flinging shit, which means I'm right and you have no ability to argue the point.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Eff UPMC then. Go to Highmark and get them to give you $100 million for Highmark Field in Oakland. All university employees would receive Highmark insurance.

Where did Duquesne get the money?

All I'm saying is if minnows, Duq and RMU can find $40 million very easily, Pitt can raise much more than that.

You are running off in NeverNeverLand again...

Go ask RMU and Duquesne how "easy" this process has been.

I think you believe that giant gobs of cash literally rain from the sky and all you have to do is put out some buckets to collect it.

I have a grad degree from RMU and was a donor of theirs in the past. I was never solicited for a contribution. Last year, when I received the annual student call to donate, I asked if I can donate to the new arena fund and the student has no idea what I was talking about, put me on hold to ask a supervisor, and was told they dont have something like that. So, if they're not asking donors for money for the arena, it couldn't have been that hard.

 

[ThePanthers]

I have a grad degree from RMU and was a donor of theirs in the past. I was never solicited for a contribution. Last year, when I received the annual student call to donate, I asked if I can donate to the new arena fund and the student has no idea what I was talking about, put me on hold to ask a supervisor, and was told they dont have something like that. So, if they're not asking donors for money for the arena, it couldn't have been that hard.