No, I would not be bothered by a guy partying on his OFF TIME, as long as he didn't show up for work hung over. You don't have to be in work mode 24/7/365... I CAN'T... NO FCCKING WAY. I need "party time" .... NEED! I wouldn't begrudge a guy that.
OT: Johnny Manziel
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No, I would not be bothered by a guy partying on his OFF TIME, as long as he didn't show up for work hung over. You don't have to be in work mode 24/7/365... I CAN'T... NO FCCKING WAY. I need "party time" .... NEED! I wouldn't begrudge a guy that.
I DO, VERY MUCH long for those days, I'd rather have MORE RISKS OF DYING and the more TRUE FREEDOM that went with it.
No evidence.....but #7 is a sex offender. No civil trial, either.....$$$$. What guy his size needs a "posse"?? He's a worthless punk. The Rooneys didn't have the balls to sh&tcan him. Now he acts like Billy Graham. Eff him.
Even the Rooneys aren't dumb enough to VOLUNTEER TO SUCK over stupid BS, that may or may not be true.
Now you acts like Billy Graham. Eff YOU!
And besides fcckng Billy Graham is a horrible person anyways. So is his A-hole son!
As told in Sports Illustrated (I am paraphrasing.) During that Sugar Bowl week, the Panthers had a team dinner at Al Hirt's restaurant. A Pitt toadie ordered sodas for the team. Coach Majors demurred. "Give them whatever they want." Al Hirt said Pittsburgh was his kind of team.
LOL! Those where the days! And YES, you can still be that way today! Just decide to be an OUTLAW TEAM and just live that way and say FCCK AMERICA and be like the Hell's Angels of sports and just flip off anybody that criticizes you and tell them you don't care. Sort of like Al Davis used to be.
Plus this isn't a case of a young man getting handed millions of dollars and going sideways with his life....His parents come from old oil money...this is a typical rich kid who thinks the world revolves around them....they are the most dangerous kind of people
eff Marino too....banged the chick from work and paid her off to stay quiet about his own kid ...eff em all!
Uh, maybe because he's an alcoholic who has already been thorough rehab? He's making millions of dollars, if he can't discipline himself to behave under whatever rules are in place, he doesn't deserve any slack.
LOL. That's funny. If you don't have a curfew, you can't break it.
maybe because he's an alcoholic who has already been thorough rehab?...thus my original Manzeil quote...."I don't have a drinking problem, the Browns have a problem with my drinking" he went based on their orders not on his own volition....that does not make him an alcoholic....
I drink constantly and am not an alcoholic...I consider myself a drunk.
Now you're being silly. There is precedent with plenty of players who party publicly and perform, Rob Gronkowski? Obviously there was an issue with Manziel that went beyond the norm. They told him what needed to be done. He signed a contract, is being paid millions, he needs to suck it up. I feel no pity for him nor the need to make excuses. On top of it, he's really not that good. I get his upbringing, but not sure where the entitlement that oozes from him is backed up. Honestly, he disgusts me.
that is not what I said...he was labeled an alcoholic by the poster....no one knows that. All we know is that he was ordered to rehab. He does not disgust me because I do not make evaluations based on social media and TMZ videos....He reminds me of a young kid enjoying his fortune and partying it up. If he blows it he blows it..
Dallas isn't interested in Manziel and but will be in RG III, AKA, RG Me, another huge phony minus the partying and drinking. I was actually surprised at how decent Manziel performed when out on the playing field this season. He's a spoiled brat who will never grow up. His parents love to party as well, so I don't see this ending well in the long run and don't care much how it ends for Johnny Idiot-Face since he has a crap load of family money to fall back on.
Because of the BS world he lives in where he isn't free, like we where when I was his age.
What entitlement? because he goes out drinking? People, ANYBODY, should be able to go out drinking on their own time, as long as no laws are broken, EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED to drink, it's a legal activity.
Not really. If you're being paid a lot of money, and your booze is interfering with your job performance, then you are no longer entitled to drink. It's safe to say that it's written into his contract.
If excessive boozing would've impacted my job performance, they would've sent me packing (it was in my contract) - and I wasn't making anything close to the money that Johnny Football is raking-in.
but alas he was not sent packing....this all started because I said I did not dislike this kid because he likes to party and I kind of like his rebellious nature that does not translate well into today's stick up your arse self-righteousness under the watchfull eye of an iPhone camera... really care not about contractual arrangements with the Browns....Were any of you folks ever 23?
If he performed decently, why not let him drink and then play him. Quit with the morality BS
Is it? he's been playing well this year, they bench him for drinking weeks or days before games, just quit suspending him and let him play, and if he doesn't show up to work drunk, then just quit creating drama and play him.
It's safe to say that most of here have been 23, at one time or another. But it's also safe to say that most of us have never been in rehab or have done a lot of the stupid things that he's done.
When you're living under a sharp, critical microscope, and when a lot of teammates are depending on you to help them achieve their success, you're not the average person anymore. It's time to grow-up, act responsible, and cut-back on all of the stuff that you did in college.
There's nothing wrong with partying. Guys like Gronk do it all the time. But they don't allow their off-the-field activities interfere with their job performance. That's the big difference.
As I said yesterday, we're witnessing an ESPN "30 for 30" episode in the making.
I'm
yes, and I'm sure he was a teetotaler, in the dorm by 9:15pm kid when he was winning the Heisman....I'm guessing he was Gronk back then(what do you think?), but now he needs rehab to perform..got it. ...He is just another guy that may not be NFL QB caliber. Hundreds of them regardless of their habits....Played pretty well against the steelers though.
So did Terrelle Pryor (2013), Tim Tebow, and Ryan Mallett.
Can you throw a football 20-yards? If so, maybe you could, too.
Assuming a team would sign him for any kind of money would be a huge leap of faith for this knucklehead.
Key point is it is the BROWNS and no one does inept like the Browns.
The reality is that there was something significant with Manziel for the Cleveland organization to act as it did. You nor I have any idea, but what we do know is that Cleveland clearly thought he had a problem and once he signed the contract, he had to abide by it, hence the stint in rehab. Based on his continued drinking, pretty clear he didn't do it on his own.
The kid's a punk who doesn't appreciate either his God given talent or the millions and fame he garners from that. He also has demonstrated that he believes he is above the organization who currently employs him. This has zero to do with if a 23 year old should have expectations of drinking. For the record I demand way better behavior from my kids, in fact I expected it even when they were children, let alone as adults.
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The only point I would make is Johnny Manzeil isn't just some regular Joe. Johnny football is under contract to the Cleveland Browns and is bound by contract to maintain certain disciplines and standards.
Now I don't know what is in his contract but I would bet being in Vegas dressed as a woman instead of at the facility getting treatment is not in there anywhere.
He has to answer to certain things or quit the league outright.
The only point I would make is Johnny Manzeil isn't just some regular Joe. Johnny football is under contract to the Cleveland Browns and is bound by contract to maintain certain disciplines and standards.
Now I don't know what is in his contract but I would bet being in Vegas dressed as a woman instead of at the facility getting treatment is not in there anywhere.
He has to answer to certain things or quit the league outright.
I'm not into the morality BS nor did I add it in my post. The dude wants to party and not put in the time to be an NFL QB, which was why I was surprised he played decently when he was under center.
thus his original statement that I went down this line with....
"I don't have a drinking problem, the Browns have a problem with my drinking"....no, the reality is not that there was something significant. no one knows that. .the only reality is that we have programs (that apparently, in the case of the aforementioned Johnny Football, are somewhat worthless) to put 23 year old partiers in nowadays that were not available for the Namaths, Stablers and Wilt Chamberlain types of the past and yet they are legends today....Listen, I don't want to argue anymore but I just have a warm spot in my heart for rebels that like a good time and don't consider them "punks"......He either does his job and performs or he does not and is cast aside.....
This is a very weird discussion. I don't think this has anything to do with political correctness or being a man's man or any of that other craziness.
Also, I am not naïve enough to think that there are plenty of guys on every team who have a good time during their off time. That's not what this is about – at least not for me.
My point is that if you are the Cleveland Browns and you don't want the circus the following you because every moment you spend maintaining this issue is a minute you cannot spend improving your team, you don't look the other way for a guy who's only marginally talented to begin with.
I mean seriously, what is this guy's upside? He is not good enough to play in this league. That would be true if he behaved like Tim Tebow in his off time.
To put up with this much garbage for a guy who is undersized and has just an okay arm, and really questionable mechanics and decision-making – on the field – I just don't get that? It seemed at the time to be a very stupid decision on every level and nothing I have seen since has made me feel the slightest bit differently.
Also, I am not naïve enough to think that there are plenty of guys on every team who have a good time during their off time. That's not what this is about – at least not for me.
My point is that if you are the Cleveland Browns and you don't want the circus the following you because every moment you spend maintaining this issue is a minute you cannot spend improving your team, you don't look the other way for a guy who's only marginally talented to begin with.
I mean seriously, what is this guy's upside? He is not good enough to play in this league. That would be true if he behaved like Tim Tebow in his off time.
To put up with this much garbage for a guy who is undersized and has just an okay arm, and really questionable mechanics and decision-making – on the field – I just don't get that? It seemed at the time to be a very stupid decision on every level and nothing I have seen since has made me feel the slightest bit differently.
I think most of the people that say he totally sucks and can't play at all didn't watch the progression he made this year. I never thought he would be a star or was worth a 1st round pick, but his play in spots showed me that he can be a serviceable NFL QB. Maybe a starter on a bad team, or a very good backup on a contender.
Obviously with his issues he isn't worth the risk. Will probably get one final shot and be out of the league 2-3 years from now.
Not trying to be that guy who always claims he has inside information, but I know the guy who broke the disguise story, and am about 99% sure it is accurate. Unlike a lot of athletes I've also been told that Manziel tips very well. So he has that going for him at least.
Obviously with his issues he isn't worth the risk. Will probably get one final shot and be out of the league 2-3 years from now.
Not trying to be that guy who always claims he has inside information, but I know the guy who broke the disguise story, and am about 99% sure it is accurate. Unlike a lot of athletes I've also been told that Manziel tips very well. So he has that going for him at least.
What does "put in the time" mean? No days off? No nights out? no party EVER? 24/7/365, never a drop of liquor shall touch these lips, have to study every second of the day? In bed by 10?
Manziel is more focused on how to go to parties without being seen, instead of focusing on how to be a better QB and studying films to make himself a better QB, he really blew his opportunities at Cleveland to play quickly?
"Johnny Football" has a weird sense of priorities and wasting his youth on not playing football. No smart GM or Owner would want such an undisciplined and non-focused QB that causes his Off The Field Problems Headlines, and devalues himself by not concentrating on his play as QB on the NFL GridIron!
The Browns won't be able to get proper value for him even if they want to trade or dump him and New Coaches won't want to baby sit him? Young and Dumb!
"Johnny Football" has a weird sense of priorities and wasting his youth on not playing football. No smart GM or Owner would want such an undisciplined and non-focused QB that causes his Off The Field Problems Headlines, and devalues himself by not concentrating on his play as QB on the NFL GridIron!
The Browns won't be able to get proper value for him even if they want to trade or dump him and New Coaches won't want to baby sit him? Young and Dumb!
I believe it all depends on what he agreed to with the Browns. If he agreed that he'd clean himself up and stop partying and drinking and begin to take football more seriously, then the Browns have a right to be disappointed in him.
