OT: Josh Bell traded to the Nats
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Might of sold a little low but it doesn't f'n matter. Their strategy of gutting all the way to rock bottom everytime doesn't work. 'Rebuilding' by gutting, trading, developing with a floor more near the middle of the pack could especially with the wildcards. MLB structure sucks so keeping a floor near the middle of league will take a new owner. This? laughable.
On the other hand, only someone who doesn't know baseball at all would say that a guy who gave up 11 earned runs in 8-plus innings in his first time in the major leagues after having not pitched in a competitive game in over a year obviously doesn't belong in the major leagues the following season.
Can we at least wait until the guy has pitched in, I don't know 10 or 15 major league games before we completely write him off? Or if not that, how about even a half dozen?
Nah, clearly too much to ask.
I would imagine they’re trying. Your asking price might be too high. Early on he looked like he was gonna be really good, but nope.
Polanco has the lowest baseball IQ of any player I’ve ever seen.
He has run our team out of more innings than I’ve ever seen.
On defense, he routinely misplays balls, throws behind the runner, misses the cutoff man. In the outfield, he looks like a monkey screwing a football.
He has run our team out of more innings than I’ve ever seen.
On defense, he routinely misplays balls, throws behind the runner, misses the cutoff man. In the outfield, he looks like a monkey screwing a football.
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Yeah so does my TS3 driver...Lord knows where the ball goes, but man, that spin rate.
This trade already has a pretty high spin rate.
Yeah but the odds are that won’t happen.
As I said, we’ve done that with Cole and several others, I think it’s the MO of the owner to assure a certain salary structure before the next year.
The Archer trade I can’t even count as it was one of the most monumentally stupid trades in history from the first minute it happened.
You are basically saying why not trade a guy after his worst year cause he might get worse? Again, I don’t think the return is horrible. In years past we would have also thrown in 2 of our own prospects just to make the trade. We didn’t do that at least. You can say he sucks all you want but he was an all star first baseman still in his prime.
This move would be the one to do it? I can think of a lot of trades and bad offseasons but this move doesn't even rate for me. Bell is just a different version of Alvarez: power without consistency, poor defense. And I'm not saying they are similar hitters, just similarly unreliable.
I do hope Bell can turn it around. Seems like a genuinely good guy.
The odds are that what won't happen? By far the greatest odd of what would happen going forward are based on what has happened in the past. In the past, other than for about three months of one season, Josh Bell has been a far below average first baseman. Going forward, the greatest odds are that he will remain a below average first baseman. The problem in getting any great return for him is that not only do the Pirates know that, but everyone else knows it as well.
I'm not saying to trade a guy because he might get worse. I'm saying everyone already knows what he is. He's not a 24 year old who struggled in his first go round the league. He's a 28 year old first baseman with one season in the majors with an OPS+ of greater than 111. Or if you prefer he's a firstbaseman with 2.7 WAR in his best season, and the other three and a half years of his career he's put up a total of -0.1 WAR. Not even plus 0.1, minus 0.1.
You can say he's an all star first baseman in his prime, but the fact of the matter is that other than three months of 2019 he has, in fact, sucked.
The guy is 26 yrs old and has pitched 8 innings in the big leagues. He is a marginal prospect with a low ceiling.
Well I have certainly never suggested he was anything special. He is (most likely) a back end of the rotation starter. The other guy is something of a lottery ticket. Which is pretty much what you should have expected the return to be for a guy who for the most part has been a below average first baseman who is at the point in his career where he is soon going to get pretty expensive.
People thinking that someone was going to give the Pirates an A-level prospect (and more) for Josh Bell are delusional.
I agree.
Looking back again at your post, you weren’t suggesting he was anything special. Sorry I was mistakenly lumping your comments with some of those excited by the trade and the prospects.
I view this as more like the old expression “rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.”
I don’t want to explain how players improve over seasons and get better, I would think that’s super obvious
I get it you think he sucks. i am not arguing he is a stud, I don’t think so either. But we traded low that’s my point and it’s really indisputable
Polanco just broke his wrist playing winter ball and will have a cast on for four weeks.
We can’t get rid of this guy:
Polanco, 29, was batting .197/.276/.342 with two homers and nine RBIs in 21 games for Leones del Escogido. Polanco had season-ending shoulder surgery after an awkward slide in September 2018 and played in only 42 games in 2019.
We can’t get rid of this guy:
Polanco, 29, was batting .197/.276/.342 with two homers and nine RBIs in 21 games for Leones del Escogido. Polanco had season-ending shoulder surgery after an awkward slide in September 2018 and played in only 42 games in 2019.
Well first of all, Josh Bell actually HASN'T gotten better from season to season. That is, in large part, the problem.
Secondly, the only reason that we "traded low" is because they didn't trade him a year and a half ago when everyone could be fooled into thinking that he was something that he's not. You call it "trading low", I call it "he's been exposed".
Looks like Musgrove may be the next Bucco to be shipped out.
In other news, Polonco was injured again and water is wet.
In other news, Polonco was injured again and water is wet.
One of my best friends used to work for the front office. Don't even bother being invested in the team until it's sold, trust me.
You guys would have all had a heart attack if you were Rays fans. Coming off an appearance in the World Series they traded by far their best pitcher, who was still under contract for three more years at a good price, and in return they got a middle of the rotation guy who will be a free agent in one year and four guys who are all younger than 20 years old.
If the Pirates did something like that I think a few of you would have had your heads explode.
If the Pirates did something like that I think a few of you would have had your heads explode.
I mean, if they can get some prospects for Musgrove they should trade him. I have no problem trading these guys save for K'Bryan Hayes and Mitch Keller.
Absolutely. There is no realistic path for the Pirates to be a contender in 2021 or 2022. So every move they make should have that in mind.
I think that was obvious with what they did after the 2015 season. Before that, I tried to watch most every game. I had trouble caring after they allowed a team that had contended for three years die on the vine. They didn't even pretend to care about winning after that.
For me, it was after the 2017 season. In hindsight, 2015-2017 is when they had a real chance to turn the corner and instead chose to give up.
That depends on whether the sell-off happened AFTER a World Series berth. A League Championship might placate us for 6-8 weeks.....
Nutting, and McClatchy before him, invested too deeply in the belief that the ballpark would be the sustainable drawing card. Sure the north side stadium is an excellent venue... a cash register on the Allegheny. BUT... after everyone has been there a couple of times and oohed and ahhed at the skyline, they can't help but notice that the on-field product is dreck.
Before it became a charming anachronism -- one of the last of its kind -- Wrigley Field was regarded as a dump. The fumbling Cubs never got it right on the field, but the guy who coined "Friendly Confines" seduced generations of Chicagoans to turn out in droves to watch bad baseball, mostly in the sunshine. You can't manufacture that combination of intimate park AND loveable losers. The cuddly Cubbies were pumped into every TV set in Chicagoland over WGN TV. All of northern Illinois -- save for White Sox fans -- embraced them. (Fenway Park is a different scenario. Until the magic season of 1967, Boston fans avoided Fenway. Much like the Immaculate Reception birthed Steeler Nation, the Impossible Dream lit a fire in New England that has never been quenched. But it was more about the Sox, initially, than the ballpark. Today you cannot separate team from venue. Fenway has become a symbol of triumph,)
The Pirates, IMO, tried to brand the new ballpark in the same manner as the Cubs. But the Buccos, ever since the Galbreaths sold the franchise in 1985, were never "cuddly". The owners suffered in comparison to the Rooneys and later Lemieux. McClatchy and Nutting were viewed as carpetbaggers. McClatchy fussed with fans over carry-in food, and Nutting is a silverspoon, skeet-shooting fop who hired a couple of blazer-wearing smarmy Kewpie dolls to peddle nonsensical build-for-tomorrow/years of control drivel wrapped in baseball analytics.
After 2015, the Nutting regime revealed its true colors. The Cherington boys have a tough legacy to overcome. But I feel they are more honest about where the Bucs are. I wish them well.
It wouldn't be so bad if some of these guys they pick up are actually fun to watch and bring something exciting to the table. The guy they got for McCutcheon in LF is pretty good, but that's about it from all their moves.
The ML ready slugs they got for Cole, LOL.
They have Stallings as a starting catcher and nothing backing him up. LOL.
So hard to even pay attention to, let along care.
The ML ready slugs they got for Cole, LOL.
They have Stallings as a starting catcher and nothing backing him up. LOL.
So hard to even pay attention to, let along care.
Seriously, with the hundreds of players that an MLB organization drafts and signs throughout their system, they only have one MLB-ready catcher? I know nothing should surprise me with them at this point, but how does that even happen?
Naw
vending machines. Like in money ball. " my guys shouldn't have to pay for soda" lol
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