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Still, it points out how important it is having a nice on campus stadium.
Kansas wants to make sure they don't get left behind when the B12 eventually falls apart.
Will they hire Zeta's high-powered firm in Philly??
Keeping up with facilities is great...but if their on field product does not improve...would not matter if they are playing in a palace...they will be left behind for sure. #priorities Hail to Pitt!
They are a blue blood BB program. While hoops doesn't matter as much as FB it still matters and Kansas is a top 10 program. That alone likely gets them picked up, probably 3rd in the pecking order behind TX and OK, but improving the FB program will guarantee they get picked up.
Are the drawings being done in MS Paint?
Anyone notice their '18 football class? They're in the top 20 currently and have pulled 5-6 players from Louisiana including a 5 star WR that turned down LSU. They have a few former LA HS school coaches as assistants... we'll see if they can keep the class but pretty crazy stuff.They are a blue blood BB program. While hoops doesn't matter as much as FB it still matters and Kansas is a top 10 program. That alone likely gets them picked up, probably 3rd in the pecking order behind TX and OK, but improving the FB program will guarantee they get picked up.
wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.Still, it points out how important it is having a nice on campus stadium.
They'd be smart enough to keep the FB stadium & build a gym elsewhere.wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.
I'll bet they wouldn't throw in behind basketball, then allow the basketball program that had been a perennial top 10 to degenerate so completely within five years that it can't fill its roster and there is serious doubt that it will win more than 5 total games for the next 2 or 3 seasons. Yeah, I'll bet they don't follow that tack.wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.
wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.
at Kansas? The home of James Naismith Kansas? hahahaha. Besides, I stated a hypothetical. "if their space was limited"They'd be smart enough to keep the FB stadium & build a gym elsewhere.
I am not going to debate the on campus stadium as it has been done to death. However, it will be interesting to see what happens when the Steelers need/want a new stadium and there is no place to put one on the North Shore because it is built up. They wont be able to play at Pitt's stadium until a new one is built. So they can implode Heinz and Pitt and the Steelers can play elsewhere? Or build at another location, which more than likely will be further from Pitt's campus. We are what, 15 or so years into the current stadium?wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.
wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.
at Kansas? The home of James Naismith Kansas? hahahaha. Besides, I stated a hypothetical. "if their space was limited"
Trivia question: Who is the only basketball coach in the history of the University of Kansas with a losing record for his tenure?
wonder what they would do if their space was limited and they had to decide between a state of the art basketball facility or an upgrade of a decrepit football venue with another football venue option available.
And where was that??They wouldn't be stupid enough to be placed in that situation. Remember, Pitt had a location for the arena and chose the stadium's location instead. Only at Pitt.
And where was that??
Off the top of my head, I don't recall, but the plan previous to the Pete had the new ( even larger) arena on a different spot.
Kansas wants to make sure they don't get left behind when the B12 eventually falls apart.
Much smaller facility (not necessarily much less seating capacity, but everything else about it) on the OC lot. Was also much more expensive to build on that plot.
Naismith - Irony at its finest.Trivia question: Who is the only basketball coach in the history of the University of Kansas with a losing record for his tenure?
I believe that plan called for a 20,000 seat arena. Perhaps it didn't include things like student rec center and other academic space, but there was another spot. Most schools would have kept their stadium location and built the basketball arena elsewhere.
More like 15K or less. The footprint was considerably smaller, and the athletic and academic amenities were considerably less or non-existent. It also didn't include a water chiller.
There was a spot. No argument. But the facts remain as to why the decision was made, and comparisons to other schools are not suitable to Pitt's situation at all. But debate of the decision is fine, as long as one is realistic about what Pitt was facing in the late 1990s. The OC lot is expensive to build on which is why hasn't been thus far. No major Division 1 schools have less acres of land, is more densely constructed, nor is expansion as prohibitive. Arguably no major Division 1 school had worse athletic facilities. Only 2-3 had less athletic revenue. Few other major schools had new professional stadia going up within a five mile radius. No other school was dealing with an atrocious legacy deal that had $20-70 million in state funding uselessly floating in the political ether. Multiple attempts at fundraising had failed. The University's general financial situation was precarious. Football operations were already moving off campus. Those issues simply aren't wiped from history because one asserts how "most other schools" would act.
You are correct that the original plan was 15,000. I believe that 20,000 would have been the basketball capacity for a domed Pitt Stadium had the University went through with that plan, but it has been awhile since I have read about it, so those details are fuzzy.
My point is that they did have a different location for the new arena and could have built it there. We all understand the issue Pitt has with limited space. We understand that the OC lot is more expensive to build on, but oddly enough the costs skyrocketed AFTER the location change. And the chiller was already in the plans, not added as a result of the new location.