OT: McQueary helps accident victim

[pittdan77]

Sorry, McQueary is not the saint you make him out to be. Like another poster said, just call 911. How hard is that? Again, like the other poster said, you see some guy raping a kid, picking up a phone and calling 911 is not a difficult thing to do.

I'm going to make the same point I did earlier. It's been said Paterno ran the university. It's also said Paterno covered up many things involving the program in years previous. Well again, McQueary knew all this. So, McQueary knew if all he did was go to Paterno (and not the police), the whole thing would just get buried. So no, I'm not going to say McQueary was a hero, when what he did was to tell the guy he knew was just going to to cover up the whole thing.

Never said he was a saint but you're trying to elevate his status in the university and pretend you "know" what everyone was going to do ahead of time. The macho "I would have..." or the "this guy knew" nonsense is just that.

Love Monday Morning QB's. It's all so simple for you.

 

[topdecktiger]

Never said he was a saint but you're trying to elevate his status in the university and pretend you "know" what everyone was going to do ahead of time. The macho "I would have..." or the "this guy knew" nonsense is just that.

Love Monday Morning QB's. It's all so simple for you.

No, I'm not trying to elevate McQueary's status in the university. That' what you don't get. His status in the university is irrelevant to his obligations as an individual adult. When a kid is getting raped, there is no requirement that only the "boss" can call the police. Anybody who is a witness does that. The thing you don't get is that this isn't "in house." Child rape is above and outside the university purview. That means, the university chain of command doesn't apply. Whoever see it, can just go straight to the police. They don't need permission from any supervisors do do it.

I'm not the one pretending I know what everyone was going to do ahead of time. You and other posters have said Paterno ran everything at the university. You and other posters have said Paterno routinely covered up transgressions by the football program. Well, if we accept that as true, then the obvious result is that Paterno would cover up this as well. If you and other posters know this, the McQueary would know this as well.

The problem you are running to cognitive dissonance. Here's your argument:

McQueary reports to his superior = did the right thing.

Paterno reports to his superior = did the wrong thing.

You can't have it both ways. What this boils down to is that nobody did the right thing in the entire situation, McQueary included.

 

[pittdan77]

No, I'm not trying to elevate McQueary's status in the university. That' what you don't get. His status in the university is irrelevant to his obligations as an individual adult. When a kid is getting raped, there is no requirement that only the "boss" can call the police. Anybody who is a witness does that. The thing you don't get is that this isn't "in house." Child rape is above and outside the university purview. That means, the university chain of command doesn't apply. Whoever see it, can just go straight to the police. They don't need permission from any supervisors do do it.

I'm not the one pretending I know what everyone was going to do ahead of time. You and other posters have said Paterno ran everything at the university. You and other posters have said Paterno routinely covered up transgressions by the football program. Well, if we accept that as true, then the obvious result is that Paterno would cover up this as well. If you and other posters know this, the McQueary would know this as well.

The problem you are running to cognitive dissonance. Here's your argument:

McQueary reports to his superior = did the right thing.

Paterno reports to his superior = did the wrong thing.

You can't have it both ways. What this boils down to is that nobody did the right thing in the entire situation, McQueary included.

It's cool if your life works in absolutes but the rest of the world doesn't work that way. McQueary was committing career suicide by not going to Paterno first. What he was told afterwards about how it was handled is speculation beyond the GJ testimony. You want to hate him for sticking around? Go ahead but it's hardly an indictment on his character. You want to demonize him for being afraid of the people he worked for and how they went about their business? That's fine but you can shove your pious absolutes where the sun doesn't shine. Again, super easy to talk about right and wrong and "should of's" and "could of's" but you weren't there and I can assure you, McQueary knew his goose was cooked if he didn't handle it "the right way". It really is that simple.

Your circular and sarcastic arguments that "you guys know so Mike knew" is cute. Good message board stuff.

Believe what you want. Nothing I say will help you see it the way it was.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

truth is this is how it would be at many if not most places

Maybe some isolated people at a given school would seek to keep it secret but they'd be the exception, not the rule.

There, from the janitors to the school president, it's the rule to enable and cover up, and if somehow it still leaks, demonize the victims and the 'whistleblower' and deny, deny, deny ... that's how it was then and how it would be now. Heck, the trustee confirmed it ... things haven't changed an iota there.

Death penalty was needed ... And still is.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Embarrasment to Pitt.

No, I'm not trying to elevate McQueary's status in the university. That' what you don't get. His status in the university is irrelevant to his obligations as an individual adult. When a kid is getting raped, there is no requirement that only the "boss" can call the police. Anybody who is a witness does that. The thing you don't get is that this isn't "in house." Child rape is above and outside the university purview. That means, the university chain of command doesn't apply. Whoever see it, can just go straight to the police. They don't need permission from any supervisors do do it.

I'm not the one pretending I know what everyone was going to do ahead of time. You and other posters have said Paterno ran everything at the university. You and other posters have said Paterno routinely covered up transgressions by the football program. Well, if we accept that as true, then the obvious result is that Paterno would cover up this as well. If you and other posters know this, the McQueary would know this as well.

The problem you are running to cognitive dissonance. Here's your argument:

McQueary reports to his superior = did the right thing.

Paterno reports to his superior = did the wrong thing.

You can't have it both ways. What this boils down to is that nobody did the right thing in the entire situation, McQueary included.

Your wife still wishing she married Big Red.. get over it already.

The end result.. Peddstate = sespool of trash.