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But Paco, what were you expecting out of Detroit? Honestly, I find Detroit actually better than its rep. It's rep is so poor, I am not sure how you can have expectations that disappoint.Not the most disappointing, but IMO, the most over rated because of the hype = Portland, except for the microbrews and food trucks.
Most terrible = Detroit; albeit this was a decade ago but it was like a bombed out third world country. More shocking and sad than disappointing. Google Detroit ruin porn.
Honestly, one of the most disappointing based on prior expectations = Atlanta.
Generally not a fan of cities that lack urban density and are largely sprawls, like LA. Urban density is one of the things that makes Pittsburgh special for its small size.
For context I was there 10-12 years ago - and before Pittsburgh’s revivalIt actually reminds me of a lesser Pittsburgh. Hilly (and no more walkable than Pittsburgh), river, bridges, but actually much less going on. Downtown was not interesting. Not as much culturally there. Not diverse at all. Lacking a quality sports and university scene. Terrible traffic, getting overcrowded as people flee Seattle, terribly overpriced to live there. On the positives: great urban hiking trails, great craft beer scene (maybe the best in the country), great food truck culture.
Areas surrounding Portland have a lot of outdoor activities and wine country, but I'm sticking to my impressions of the city proper.
Boston. I thought it would be fun because of the history and college scene, but there was a very strong superiority complex there. That city has to have the highest douchebag per capita ratio in the developed world.
But Paco, what were you expecting out of Detroit? Honestly, I find Detroit actually better than its rep. It's rep is so poor, I am not sure how you can have expectations that disappoint.
I'll give a couple of more. Cincy. I didn't realize how rough of a city it is. Indianapolis. Indy is one of those rare places where the very downtown is nicer than the suburbs.
I’m lived there nearly 20 years ago. I thought it was fantastic. But I don’t like it now.I thought Miami was terribly overrated. Really run down and dumpy. This was almost 20 years ago so perhaps it’s improved since then.
I heard the trains in Mumbai are an excellent model for the rest of the world.Good question
I’d say:
Charlotte
Las Angeles
Mumbai
Ottawa
Gosh probably many others
Some interesting plantation tours. Head west on I-10 towards New Iberia. Cool culture and food. I like the big easy.Yeah there isn't much outside of the French Quarter. Granted the French Quarter is great.
For context I was there 10-12 years ago - and before Pittsburgh’s revival
Downtown Dallas disappoints. Very bland. No energy. Not walkable. But those other areas I mentioned are very walkable and hip and vibrant. I actually prefer the downtown area of Fort Worth. That’s where the West begins. It’s cow town. You can’t beat the stockyards for the experience.Exactly. The best parts of Dallas aren’t necessarily in the downtown area. The suburban cities all have their own character too. McKinney, Plano, Southlake, etc are really great places.
Breezewood is overrated.
Some interesting plantation tours. Head west on I-10 towards New Iberia. Cool culture and food. I like the big easy.
I was there 2 years ago and it was disgusting. Garbage everywhere, homeless people and drug addicts passed out and lying in their urine. Sidewalks covered with tents and tarps with people living there. Never seen anything like it and I've been a lot of places.
I have zero interest in ever returning.
If you are as big a golfer as you claim you are then you would have known that Augusta is the Akron of the South.
A dump of a town with one terrific course.
Yes, downtown Fort Worth is awesome.Downtown Dallas disappoints. Very bland. No energy. Not walkable. But those other areas I mentioned are very walkable and hip and vibrant. I actually prefer the downtown area of Fort Worth. That’s where the West begins. It’s cow town. You can’t beat the stockyards for the experience.
Dallas definitely is a “status” place. Even people making $30,000 a year don’t drive anything less than an Audi. It’s incredible how superficial everyone is there, while being relatively nice and hospitable at the same time.Dallas tries to be LA and New York but fails to pull it off. And the cowboys don’t even play in Dallas. They never did actually.
Detroit has changed a lot over the past 10 years, especially over the last 4-5. It’s never gonna be Chicago or San Francisco and it will never have great residential neighborhoods within the city limits, the schools are a lost cause, but downtown and some of the inner ring areas near downtown have improved immensely. A great deal of money has been pumped into the place as well as a lot of incentives to attract and keep businesses, young residents etc. With that has come hip hotels, bars and restaurants.But Paco, what were you expecting out of Detroit? Honestly, I find Detroit actually better than its rep. It's rep is so poor, I am not sure how you can have expectations that disappoint.
I'll give a couple of more. Cincy. I didn't realize how rough of a city it is. Indianapolis. Indy is one of those rare places where the very downtown is nicer than the suburbs.
I used to go to Lafayette 5-6 times a year.I'm with you. New Iberia is beautiful. The stretch from New Iberia to Breaux Bridge is very nice and the food is terrific.
Augusta, reminds me of South Bend. Everyone thinks Notre Dame and Rudy and how beautiful it is, but that is the campus of ND which is separate from South Bend. Same with Augusta. Augusta National has nothing in common with Augusta. Akron, Erie, Youngstown are good comparisons.Not much positive to say about Augusta, i mentioned in the other thread how much we enjoy Aiken, SC less than a half hour way. Any time I go to the Masters moving forward will always stay in Aiken.
Mexico City has great Mexican food. Well, mostly because it is Mexico. However, be careful. Street tacos in DF put me on the floor for 2 days.Yes on Jacksonville being a dump.
Monterrey, Mexico, has the best Mexican food I’ve ever eaten. Hoping to get to Mexico City to compare.
Columbus is a pretty underrated city and looks even better compared to my days going to school there. Adding the Blue Jackets helped based off my last time visiting.
The best part of Detroit is you can cross over into Windsor and gamble.
South Bend!I mentioned Reno in the other thread. What a dump.
Not impressed with LA, just too much sprawl for me.
Jacksonville. Ugh
We’ve done a few weekend stays in Baltimore (live closer to DC on the MD side so not too far). Have learned to be pretty careful about the places we stay at... but yes, generally the closer to the water you are, the better off you are. Last 2 times stayed at the Hyatt Place near Harbor East/Fells. Love Camden Yards though.Oakland, CA. A blot on the Bay.... Baltimore is Jekyll/Hyde. Fine at the Harbor, but if you visit, stay IN the Harbor area proper. My wife and I went down to see the Red Sox a few years ago and stayed at a hotel south of the Ravens' stadium... from the Orioles' park it was no longer a walk than from downtown Pittsburgh to Heinz Field. But a highway overpass broke up the street and the walk through alleys was scary in the dark.
Portland reminded me of Pittsburgh with a more hipster vibe. Houses built into hillsides...the city bisected with a river. Good beer, good food. That was before all the Antifa dopes did their magic.Man I loved Portland
Great food and beer scene . Very walkable - reminded me of what pittsburgh can become
Portland reminded me of Pittsburgh with a more hipster vibe. Houses built into hillsides...the city bisected with a river. Good beer, good food. That was before all the Antifa dopes did their magic.
Yeah, I was only there once and only for 2 nights, one day. And one of those we went to Cannon Beach for dinner. I ate at Pok Pok, and some bar downtown. It's a shame though how these great cities like Seattle, Portland and especially San Fran have become almost a South Park caricature of themselves with some really poor civic leadership.Portland had problems long before any protests. It became a haven for homeless and drugs. Is was definitely a different city 15 years ago.
Mexico City
US - San Diego. I guess I expected a lot of beaches and beautiful scenery but you don't get much of that feel when you're walking around downtown. Lots of homeless people, which I don't really have a problem with but it was pretty pervasive. One guy was just walking around completely nude expect for his shoes. Extremely gorgeous women but overall I didn't find much else to love about it.
International - Canberra, Australia. It's a planned city and capitol of Australia. They built it out on this huge plain in the interior and the only thing there is the government and museums. I went for 1 day and it was freezing compared to Sydney/Melbourne and the entire city closed at 5pm. I felt like I was in Harrisburg.
I have to imagine Mexico City is much like Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo is the largest city in the southern hemisphere. I loved it. But I also had natives and an expense account so it was great. But it just so mammoth, as is Mexico City and those type of huge cities in countries like that, you have such extremes. Extreme poverty and really nice places.I'd like to hear your reasons as I've always had that place on my list to see someday