OT: Nate Oats...anyone following this story?

[TD_6082]

You know that the person who investigate the case is the one that the lawyer is disagreeing with in the first place, right? So when you say that the facts can easily be verified by an investigator and the investigator did, in fact, verify the facts, then what you are really saying is the lawyer is most likely selling a line of BS to try to protect his client.

Which is absolutely his job. But let's all understand exactly what he is doing here.

Of course that's what he's doing. But he is also pretty specific with detail.
What piece of information specifically are you saying the lawyer disagreed with the investigator about? The only major piece of information that jumps off as contradictory is the part about Miller's vehicle blocking the victim's. His lawyer disputes that, but that is something that should be easily verifiable through surveillance recording. To me, that's the most disturbing part about Miller's involvement.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

do you guys really expect a Head coach to throw his player under the bus? talk bad about him? Of course he's going to stick up for his player..

question the AD or chancellor or whoever is letting him play but as long as he is playing, the head coach is going to support his player over public opinion every day of the week.. If he doesnt, he'd lose that locker room that minute..

 

[mike412]

That's not really relevant. It wasn't an officer in the military. It was a friend asking for his personal item back.

A more relevant analogy would be your military buddy giving you a fresh pair of socks back

I have to ask because I don’t remember seeing any posts by you except in this thread: Are you really as dumb as this post makes you appear to be, or are you making a special extra effort here to look like a moron?

 

[Drew1208]

I have to ask because I don’t remember seeing any posts by you except in this thread: Are you really as dumb as this post makes you appear to be, or are you making a special extra effort here to look like a moron?

I'm definitely that dumb my brother.
We should hang

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

He ends with 41 in a narrow OT win. Quite a performance.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

MSN

www.msn.com

That's absolutely fantastic.

 

[TD_6082]

That's absolutely fantastic.

The chant, or the game winning shot capping off a 41 point performance?

 

[MTkeeper23]

Weird how there are people who didn’t give this guy a second thought but are now rooting for this kid because he brought a gun to a murder.

 

[noelr]

The optics here are awful. Oats and Miller exercised terrible judgement. I'd suspend any 18 year for possession of a gun period.

 

[USN_Panther]

Alabama admin must be pleased to have such upstanding citizens in their program. Players driving around taking guns to assailants like they ordered UberEATS.
The next away game for Alabama, the visiting team should set up a metal detector and have security frisk each player as the starting lineup is announced. That would be hilarious.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The chant, or the game winning shot capping off a 41 point performance?

The chant. Hopefully the NCAA takes that win away in 10 years.

 

[noelr]

I don't care if he's 21. Complete lack of judgement. Someone is dead
A$$hat. What on earth did he need to possess it for.

Hi I'm 21 and can drink. Let's invite all my 21 and up friends over for an all you can drink and let them drive home hammered...it's On them. I Didn't do anything wrong. I'm legal and so were they. Complete lack of judgement by the player and tone dead by coach. Optics suck. Screw the legality.

 

[Drew1208]

Hi I'm 21 and can drink. Let's invite all my 21 and up friends over for an all you can drink and let them drive home hammered...it's On them. I Didn't do anything wrong. I'm legal and so were they. Complete lack of judgement by the player and tone dead by coach. Optics suck. Screw the legality.

But what are u guys complaining about???
Like seriously what?

What's your argument?

Alabama should suspend their best player on a number 1 team because some random pitt fans don't like it.

No they shouldn't suspend a kid for being a friend to a shitty person.

 

[NCanton Panther]

I'm get blasted today. But I don't mind.
Kid had a crazy night and he has dumbass friends.
I don't see the issue.

If he was on Pitt, I'd be pissed if we suspended a kid for doing nothing wrong except for not having good judgement

Our policy is, suspend when charged, correct???

So there's a likely chance he wouldn't get suspended if he was here?

Would you be crying for him to be suspended here?

You equated taking a loaded gun to nothing more than taking a PS5 to him. Forget about blasting you, how can anyone take you serious.

 

[Drew1208]

You equated taking a loaded gun to nothing more than taking a PS5 to him. Forget about blasting you, how can anyone take you serious.

Lol that's cool. It was an exercise in legality.

 

[Drew1208]

You equated taking a loaded gun to nothing more than taking a PS5 to him. Forget about blasting you, how can anyone take you serious.

None of you answered my question either.
I just feel a lot of people crying about this might feel differently if we were in their positions. Some not.
Some are very consistent about this on here.
I'm more lenient and many of you are more strict. It's whatever. I'm ultimately correct because it makes zero sense to punish yourself for not doing anything that wrong.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

What piece of information specifically are you saying the lawyer disagreed with the investigator about?

The investigator at the very least strongly implied that Miller knew why he was bringing the gun to the party. Miller's attorney desperately wants everyone to think that he had no idea, that he didn't even realize that the gun was in his car.

I have no idea which of those is correct, but I can absolutely understand why Miller's attorney wants everyone to believe what he has said.

 

[ebonylover40]

The investigator at the very least strongly implied that Miller knew why he was bringing the gun to the party. Miller's attorney desperately wants everyone to think that he had no idea, that he didn't even realize that the gun was in his car.

I have no idea which of those is correct, but I can absolutely understand why Miller's attorney wants everyone to believe what he has said.

People act like they dont understamd its Millers attorney's job to make it seem lile his client knew nothing. What, he's suppose to say my client got the text to bring the gun to me?

His attorny is pribably lying. You cant ne running around thinking he is being truthful. People cant be this gullible.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

But what are u guys complaining about???
Like seriously what?

What's your argument?

Alabama should suspend their best player on a number 1 team because some random pitt fans don't like it.

No they shouldn't suspend a kid for being a friend to a shitty person.

Yes. 1 year suspension. Violation of team rules. You dont bring your drunk teammate his gun to an altercation at 1AM. Someone died and its partially (but not legally) Miller's fault. 1 year suspension. Period.

 

[gilligan 3]

Weird how there are people who didn’t give this guy a second thought but are now rooting for this kid because he brought a gun to a murder.

Some of the second amendment guys only support it for folks like them if you know what I mean.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Lol that's cool. It was an exercise in legality.

I guess this explains why you are so far off base on this if you think it’s just a simple matter of what’s legal.

 

[Drew1208]

Yes. 1 year suspension. Violation of team rules. You dont bring your drunk teammate his gun to an altercation at 1AM. Someone died and its partially (but not legally) Miller's fault. 1 year suspension. Period.

I wish we had a machine and Pitt was in the same position right now as Alabama and i wonder what you'd be saying.

Totally speculative thought .......you might be consistent in this parallel universe but i don't know

 

[gilligan 3]

He did nothing illegal.

He definitely did something wrong.

Your comments in this thread may be the most intelligent things I’ve read on this forum. Well done.

 

[TD_6082]

The investigator at the very least strongly implied that Miller knew why he was bringing the gun to the party. Miller's attorney desperately wants everyone to think that he had no idea, that he didn't even realize that the gun was in his car.

I have no idea which of those is correct, but I can absolutely understand why Miller's attorney wants everyone to believe what he has said.

His attorney is doing his job. Like you say, we have no idea which is correct.

We operate under a presumption of innocence. Obviously this case hasn't even went to trial, but if police aren't even going to bring charges against Miller, Oats & Alabama should absolutely stand behind their player. (... unless of course he sucks and you need the scholarship)

 

[Drew1208]

I guess this explains why you are so far off base on this if you think it’s just a simple matter of what’s legal.

Yeah legality matters and discussing morality is fun. But not the easiest area to navigate. And morality isn't very easy to find suitable punishments for.



I think there are a couple of details that could sway me but I also think those details are hard to ever know.

I can see many reasons why Miller made a mistake.
He had a thousand choices he could've made and he made the wrong one. But I can think of many reasons why it wouldn't be enough to suspend him morally.

If he knowingly brought a gun he knew was being used in a murder that night, then ok, yeah, suspension.

But that's a crime? He didn't do that??

So what is his moral crime? I'm extra stupid tonight so I need it explained to me like a two year old.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I wish we had a machine and Pitt was in the same position right now as Alabama and i wonder what you'd be saying.

Totally speculative thought .......you might be consistent in this parallel universe but i don't know

I'd say the same thing. You dont bring a gun to a murder. I said Dior should be suspended for a year. Said that consistently, even after he plead down. What he did (not what he plead to) warranted a 1 year suspension. That was pretty serious. So is bringing a gun to a murder.

 

[USN_Panther]

This thread reminds me of this song.

 

[mike412]

This happened in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. If Miller was not an Alabama basketball player, there is very little doubt in my mind that he would have been charged as an accessory. He brought the gun. His car apparently was used to block the car with the victim in it from leaving.

That’s enough for an arrest anywhere in the country. A conviction would depend on the facts, but probable cause that he might have committed a crime is evident and that is all that is needed for an arrest. But, a young black man in Tuscaloosa? He would have been charged in a nanosecond. Except that he is an Alabama star basketball player.

To me, that is the bottom line here.

It’s funny, but with Auburn now employing Bruce Pearl and Hugh Frieze, I had been thinking how lucky Alabama was to have gotten a coach like Oats who had no public baggage. Right now, in three days he has acquired a ton of baggage, much of which he brought upon himself with some of the worst statements I can ever recall any coach uttering. Absolutely tone deaf.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

“I try to read the Bible every morning,” said Oats, who’s in his first year at Alabama. “I gave them a Bible verse. I told them they might be able to quote it with me. ‘Pride cometh before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.’ I think it was applicable 3,000 years ago. It’s still applicable today.”

Who would Jesus bring a gun to?

 

[ratking17]

“I try to read the Bible every morning,” said Oats, who’s in his first year at Alabama. “I gave them a Bible verse. I told them they might be able to quote it with me. ‘Pride cometh before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.’ I think it was applicable 3,000 years ago. It’s still applicable today.”

Who would Jesus bring a gun to?

If Jesus had a gun he wouldn't have been crucified. Although one of those flat earthers I know likes the Jesus riding a dinosaur with a gun pic.

 

[TD_6082]

This happened in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. If Miller was not an Alabama basketball player, there is very little doubt in my mind that he would have been charged as an accessory. He brought the gun. His car apparently was used to block the car with the victim in it from leaving.

That’s enough for an arrest anywhere in the country. A conviction would depend on the facts, but probable cause that he might have committed a crime is evident and that is all that is needed for an arrest. But, a young black man in Tuscaloosa? He would have been charged in a nanosecond. Except that he is an Alabama star basketball player.

To me, that is the bottom line here.

It’s funny, but with Auburn now employing Bruce Pearl and Hugh Frieze, I had been thinking how lucky Alabama was to have gotten a coach like Oats who had no public baggage. Right now, in three days he has acquired a ton of baggage, much of which he brought upon himself with some of the worst statements I can ever recall any coach uttering. Absolutely tone deaf.

An Alabama player was actually arrested for capital murder.

You guys are going on the assumption that he knew somebody was going to be murdered with the gun.

 

[Drew1208]

An Alabama player was actually arrested for capital murder.

You guys are going on the assumption that he knew somebody was going to be murdered with the gun.

Tons of assumptions being made.

I could make assumptions too
I could assume that Brandon is a victim here and create a whole narrative around it.

 

[MTkeeper23]

An Alabama player was actually arrested for capital murder.

You guys are going on the assumption that he knew somebody was going to be murdered with the gun.

Yep, that poor mother in VA whose 6 year old son shot a teacher. She did nothing wrong at all because she had no idea her 6 year old was going to bring it to school and shoot a teacher.

She's just a victim.

Or maybe the actual victim is the person who gets shot. And careless behavior that leads to someone getting shot is not acceptable.

 

[TD_6082]

Tons of assumptions being made.

I could make assumptions too
I could assume that Brandon is a victim here and create a whole narrative around it.

Yup.

f he weren't the best player on one of the best teams in college basketball, this wouldn't even be a story.

Fans of other programs worried about how Nate Oats runs his program is comical. Especially those with large platforms like Clay Travis, who is a Vol fanboy that still has his head up Bruce Pearl's ass. The BBQ/NCAA thing at Tennessee was a set up. Bruce's ouster was mostly about the guns and the drugs.

 

[PittPoker]

An Alabama player was actually arrested for capital murder.

You guys are going on the assumption that he knew somebody was going to be murdered with the gun.

Dude you have to have some semblance of common sense. When a drunk friend asks you to bring a firearm to him near a club late at night um maybe you should say no?

 

[Drew1208]

Dude you have to have some semblance of common sense. When a drunk friend asks you to bring a firearm to him near a club late at night um maybe you should say no?

Yes maybe you should.

 

[PittPoker]

Yes maybe you should.

Nah sorry you shouldn't.

 

[Drew1208]

Nah sorry you shouldn't.

That's what I meant to say lol. Sorry

 

[thom67]

Dude you have to have some semblance of common sense. When a drunk friend asks you to bring a firearm to him near a club late at night um maybe you should say no?

Maybe he just thought his friend was going to use a loaded gun to eat his salad.

 

[TD_6082]

Dude you have to have some semblance of common sense. When a drunk friend asks you to bring a firearm to him near a club late at night um maybe you should say no?

No shit. That's common sense. But you are assuming Miller knew he was bringing a firearm. He says he was picking him up and had no knowledge the gun was in his car.

Also common sense: ...If you have the best player in the country on your team, he he's not been charged with a damn thing, and there are A LOT of gray areas in terms his role and what has come to light so far, when media and fans scream for him to be suspended, you should also say no.