OT: Rolling Stone Remakes its Top 500

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

bayardstreet · Sep 23, 2020

Lots of love for Kanye West and Beyonce. What place did the Chicago album come in? The silver cover album.

bayardstreet · Sep 23, 2020

I love Marvin Gay but that album isn’t number 1 let alone top 10. Probably top 15.

HopeandChangeforAntoons · Sep 23, 2020

Lol. Check all the boxes.

If you want to put the biggest rap and hip hop albums how do you not include Raising Hell? Marshall Mathers LP? Tupac also probably has a couple albums better than anything Nas ever put out.

Licensed to Ill would be there to, but that is sort of frowned upon now and I’m sure the Beasties themselves would put Paul’s Boutique Ahead of it. Both were better and more innovative than a lot of stuff listed.

I actually think The Bends should be on there before Kid A.

Nothing against Frank Ocean or Amy Winehouse but Pearl Jam Ten was a far bigger and more important album.

I love Miles and Coletrane but cmon.

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

bayardstreet said:
I love Marvin Gay but that album isn’t number 1 let alone top 10. Probably top 15.

It's my my style of music, really, but it's hard to imagine it now being #1. I know it was high before, but not that high. Another big mover was Lauryn Hill - her album went from 200-something to the top 10.

recruitsreadtheseboards · Sep 23, 2020

Strange.

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

HopeandChangeforAntoons said:
Lol. Check all the boxes.

If you want to put the biggest rap and hip hop albums how do you not include Raising Hell? Marshall Mathers LP? Tupac also probably has a couple albums better than anything Nas ever put out.

Licensed to Ill would be there to, but that is sort of frowned upon now and I’m sure the Beasties themselves would put Paul’s Boutique Ahead of it. Both were better and more innovative than a lot of stuff listed.

I actually think The Bends should be on there before Kid A.

Nothing against Frank Ocean or Amy Winehouse but Pearl Jam Ten was a far bigger and more important album.

I love Miles and Coletrane but cmon.

Not the biggest Pearl Jam fan, but it's hard to imagine Ten not being on there. Then again, it's not, because some of the albums on there are complete garbage.

I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with most of this list. But I can say with great confidence that Blue, while solid, is not the third best album of all time.

HopeandChangeforAntoons · Sep 23, 2020

PharMorNightStocker said:
Not the biggest Pearl Jam fan, but it's hard to imagine Ten not being on there. Then again, it's not, because some of the albums on there are complete garbage.

I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with most of this list. But I can say with great confidence that Blue, while solid, is not the third best album of all time.

Yeah, I see the recency bias with Beyoncé, Kendrick Lamar, Taylor Swift et al. But not sure how that one got there.

recruitsreadtheseboards · Sep 23, 2020

Definite recency bias, and definite bias towards certain genre's.

wbrpanther · Sep 23, 2020

PharMorNightStocker said:
New list is pretty, um... well, here is the top 100 anyway. Voting panel included Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Stevie Nicks.

1 | Marvin Gaye | What's Going On | 1971
2 | The Beach Boys | Pet Sounds | 1966
3 | Joni Mitchell | Blue | 1971
4 | Stevie Wonder | Songs in the Key of Life | 1976
5 | The Beatles | Abbey Road | 1969
6 | Nirvana | Nevermind | 1991
7 | Fleetwood Mac | Rumours | 1977
8 | Prince and the Revolution | Purple Rain | 1984
9 | Bob Dylan | Blood on the Tracks | 1975
10 | Lauryn Hill | The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill | 1998
11 | The Beatles | Revolver | 1966
12 | Michael Jackson | Thriller | 1982
13 | Aretha Franklin | I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You | 1967
14 | The Rolling Stones | Exile on Main St. | 1972
15 | Public Enemy | It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back | 1988
16 | The Clash | London Calling | 1979
17 | Kanye West | My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy | 2010
18 | Bob Dylan | Highway 61 Revisited | 1965
19 | Kendrick Lamar | To Pimp a Butterfly | 2015
20 | Radiohead | Kid A | 2000
21 | Bruce Springsteen | Born to Run | 1975
22 | The Notorious B.I.G. | Ready to Die | 1994
23 | The Velvet Underground & Nico | The Velvet Underground & Nico | 1967
24 | The Beatles | Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band | 1967
25 | Carole King | Tapestry | 1971
26 | Patti Smith | Horses | 1975
27 | Wu-Tang Clan | Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) | 1993
28 | D'Angelo | Voodoo | 2000
29 | The Beatles | The Beatles (White Album) | 1968
30 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Are You Experienced? | 1967
31 | Miles Davis | Kind of Blue | 1959
32 | Beyoncé | Lemonade | 2016
33 | Amy Winehouse | Back to Black | 2006
34 | Stevie Wonder | Innervisions | 1973
35 | The Beatles | Rubber Soul | 1965
36 | Michael Jackson | Off the Wall | 1979
37 | Dr. Dre | The Chronic | 1992
38 | Bob Dylan | Blonde on Blonde | 1966
39 | Talking Heads | Remain in Light | 1980
40 | David Bowie | The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars | 1972
41 | The Rolling Stones | Let It Bleed | 1969
42 | Radiohead | OK Computer | 1997
43 | A Tribe Called Quest | The Low End Theory | 1991
44 | Nas | Illmatic | 1994
45 | Prince | Sign O' the Times | 1987
46 | Paul Simon | Graceland | 1986
47 | Ramones | Ramones | 1976
48 | Bob Marley and the Wailers | Legend | 1984
49 | OutKast | Aquemini | 1998
50 | Jay-Z | The Blueprint | 2001
51 | Chuck Berry | The Great Twenty-Eight | 1982
52 | David Bowie | Station to Station | 1976
53 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Electric Ladyland | 1968
54 | James Brown | Star Time | 1991
55 | Pink Floyd | The Dark Side of the Moon | 1973
56 | Liz Phair | Exile in Guyville | 1993
57 | The Band | The Band | 1969
58 | Led Zeppelin | Led Zeppelin IV | 1971
59 | Stevie Wonder | Talking Book | 1972
60 | Van Morrison | Astral Weeks | 1968
61 | Eric B. & Rakim | Paid in Full | 1987
62 | Guns N' Roses | Appetite for Destruction | 1987
63 | Steely Dan | Aja | 1977
64 | OutKast | Stankonia | 2000
65 | James Brown | Live at the Apollo | 1963
66 | John Coltrane | A Love Supreme | 1965
67 | Jay-Z | Reasonable Doubt | 1996
68 | Kate Bush | Hounds of Love | 1985
69 | Alanis Morrissette | Jagged Little Pill | 1995
70 | N.W.A | Straight Outta Compton | 1988
71 | Bob Marley & The Wailers | Exodus | 1977
72 | Neil Young | Harvest | 1972
73 | My Bloody Valentine | Loveless | 1991
74 | Kanye West | The College Dropout | 2004
75 | Aretha Franklin | Lady Soul | 1968
76 | Curtis Mayfield | Superfly | 1972
77 | The Who | Who's Next | 1971
78 | Elvis Presley | The Sun Sessions | 1976
79 | Frank Ocean | Blonde | 2016
80 | Sex Pistols | Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols | 1977
81 | Beyoncé | Beyoncé | 2013
82 | Sly and the Family Stone | There's a Riot Goin' On | 1971
83 | Dusty Springfield | Dusty in Memphis | 1969
84 | AC/DC | Back in Black | 1980
85 | John Lennon | Plastic Ono Band | 1970
86 | The Doors | The Doors | 1967
87 | Miles Davis | Bitches Brew | 1970
88 | David Bowie | Hunky Dory | 1971
89 | Erykah Badu | Baduizm | 1997
90 | Neil Young | After the Gold Rush | 1970
91 | Bruce Springsteen | Darkness on the Edge of Town | 1978
92 | The Jimi Hendrix Experience | Axis: Bold as Love | 1967
93 | Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott | Supa Dupa Fly | 1997
94 | The Stooges | Fun House | 1970
95 | Drake | Take Care | 2011
96 | R.E.M. | Automatic for the People | 1992
97 | Metallica | Master of Puppets | 1986
98 | Lucinda Williams | Car Wheels on a Gravel Road | 1998
99 | Taylor Swift | Red | 2012
100 | The Band | Music from Big Pink | 1968

Sgt. Pepper may not be #1. But #24????? That pretty much invalidates this list.

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Definite recency bias, and definite bias towards certain genre's.

It's certainly a much more "woke" list, for better or for worse.

HopeandChangeforAntoons · Sep 23, 2020

PharMorNightStocker said:
It's certainly a much more "woke" list, for better or for worse.

I just think it is recency and since the 80s, “pop” has included more rap and hip hop acts and influence. So I think you get Jay-Z over say Joshua Tree. But some of the choices in that genre are still misses. And I don’t get the inclusion of Jazz albums, even if they were profound. Why not include Hank Williams, Johnny Cash or even Garth Brooks if you are going to expand it to all albums?

jtownknowitall · Sep 23, 2020

Is Bitches Brew a jazz album?

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

HopeandChangeforAntoons said:
I just think it is recency and since the 80s, “pop” has included more rap and hip hop acts and influence. So I think you get Jay-Z over say Joshua Tree. But some of the choices in that genre are still misses. And I don’t get the inclusion of Jazz albums, even if they were profound. Why not include Hank Williams, Johnny Cash or even Garth Brooks if you are going to expand it to all albums?

From a personal standpoint, they can leave the Garth Brookses of the world off, lol. But good point... you would think some earlier country (Hank Williams, Loretta Lynn, Merle Haggard... whomever), though mostly not my style, would find its way onto here.

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

jtownknowitall said:
Is Bitches Brew a jazz album?

Isn't it? Seems like a textbook jazz album to me. Unless we're splitting hairs about what jazz is (though I still think it qualifies). In either case, it's an instrumental album.

recruitsreadtheseboards · Sep 23, 2020

PharMorNightStocker said:
It's certainly a much more "woke" list, for better or for worse.

Yeah, I mean 3 Stevie Wonder albums? 2 Kanye West? 2 Beyonce? I mean have you heard from anybody, "wow this Beyonce album is both groundbreaking and will be considered a classic to emulate?" Frank Ocean? Really? Nas?? I mean their are TWO Outkast on here. You think maybe Joshua Tree by U2 or Exile in Main Street. I mean there is one Stones album. One. Two Beyonce, Two Outkast, 2 Kanye and one Stones?
The list has wokeness and recency bias all over it. Is there any hip hop artist left out aside from Marshall Mathers and the Beastie Boys and gee, what do they have in common?

bayardstreet · Sep 23, 2020

Thank you Taylor Swift for your brilliant insight

pitt90seven · Sep 23, 2020

stevie nicks, beyoncee, and taylor swift? who came up with these judges?

jtownknowitall · Sep 23, 2020

PharMorNightStocker said:
Isn't it? Seems like a textbook jazz album to me. Unless we're splitting hairs about what jazz is (though I still think it qualifies). In either case, it's an instrumental album.

I think it’s one of the first true heavy metal albums

Cavalier Panther · Sep 23, 2020

Say what you will about this message board, but golly coming here makes me feel young and plugged in. RecruitsReadTheseBoards must have lost his ears in 1990 to explain some of these takes.

A few thoughts:

Dark Twisted Fantasy is the album of the century.
- Kanye is the most influential artist of this century.
  - 808s and the auto tune changed music.
  - Dark Twisted Fantasy's bleak reflections on fame and money played out perfectly in the last 10 years. Kanye managed to marry one of the few people on the planet richer and more famous than him and he's spiraled into whatever the hell he is now. A mediocre gospel singer, completely detached from reality in his own mirrored-hallway-carnival-hellscape. He's a prophet, truly.
Kendrick is the most talented artist currently making music. He packed more ideas and musicality into To Pimp a Butterfly than most artists realize in their entire career.
Blonde and Lemonade are... amazing. They were instant classics and Lemonade and the documentary are cultural touchstones. So to Recruits "is this a classic to emulate" point, yes. Absolutely.
Sgt. Pepper at #24 is too low. That's a top 5 album and The Beatles best album.
I'm not sure what the criteria is for albums, but Red for Taylor Swift is .... a good pop album. I'm not sure it's her best or influenced pop music heavily. I like her, I'm just not sure what her impact will be in 30 years besides mammoth commercial success (though her new album is a departure).
- Ditto Drake. I saw him live a few years ago and he's a magnetic entertainer, but as an artist, he's just OK for me.
I'd put the OK Computer and In Rainbows above Kid A, personally. But it was an enormously influential and experimental album and that counts for something.
- Agree with the above poster that even the Bends may deserve a higher spot. It was early radiohead experimentation and so many 2000ish rock bands were influenced by it.
I would put Is This It? by the Strokes somewhere on here.

recruitsreadtheseboards · Sep 23, 2020

Cavalier Panther said:
Say what you will about this message board, but golly coming here makes me feel young and plugged in. RecruitsReadTheseBoards must have lost his ears in 1990 to explain some of these takes.

A few thoughts:

Dark Twisted Fantasy is the album of the century.

Kanye is the most influential artist of this century.

808s and the auto tune changed music.

Dark Twisted Fantasy's bleak reflections on fame and money played out perfectly in the last 10 years. Kanye managed to marry one of the few people on the planet richer and more famous than him and he's spiraled into whatever the hell he is now. A mediocre gospel singer, completely detached from reality in his own mirrored-hallway-carnival-hellscape. He's a prophet, truly.

Kendrick is the most talented artist currently making music. He packed more ideas and musicality into To Pimp a Butterfly than most artists realize in their entire career.

Blonde and Lemonade are... amazing. They were instant classics and Lemonade and the documentary are cultural touchstones. So to Recruits "is this a classic to emulate" point, yes. Absolutely.

Sgt. Pepper at #24 is too low. That's a top 5 album and The Beatles best album.

I'm not sure what the criteria is for albums, but Red for Taylor Swift is .... a good pop album. I'm not sure it's her best or influenced pop music heavily. I like her, I'm just not sure what her impact will be in 30 years besides mammoth commercial success (though her new album is a departure).

Ditto Drake. I saw him live a few years ago and he's a magnetic entertainer, but as an artist, he's just OK for me.

I'd put the OK Computer and In Rainbows above Kid A, personally. But it was an enormously influential and experimental album and that counts for something.

Agree with the above poster that even the Bends may deserve a higher spot. It was early radiohead experimentation and so many 2000ish rock bands were influenced by it.

I would put Is This It? by the Strokes somewhere on here.

Top 100......of ALL TIME

Cavalier Panther · Sep 23, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Top 100......of ALL TIME

I understand the concept, I just don't agree that history ended in 1975.

KennyTheKangaroo · Sep 23, 2020

Does anyone actually think born to run is bruce's best album?

recruitsreadtheseboards · Sep 23, 2020

Cavalier Panther said:
I understand the concept, I just don't agree that history ended in 1975.

Beyonce's Lemonade. 2016. I am sorry.....it hasn't even been 5 years to appreciate the impact. What major impact has this album had on the music industry and other artists to merit this inclusion?

PharMorNightStocker · Sep 23, 2020

KennyTheKangaroo said:
Does anyone actually think born to run is bruce's best album?

Yes, haha. I think it's the best album of all time. Thunder Road, Backstreets, Born to Run, and Jungleland are some super heavyweights.

Ski11585 · Sep 23, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Top 100......of ALL TIME

Kanye is arguably the most important musical artist, especially among hip hop artists, of the last 20 years. He revolutionized rap and including two of his albums here is absolutely accurate.

recruitsreadtheseboards · Sep 23, 2020

Ski11585 said:
Kanye is arguably the most important musical artist, especially among hip hop artists, of the last 20 years. He revolutionized rap and including two of his albums here is absolutely accurate.

Wow....as much as he (Kanye) is despised now, I thought it was Jay Z who was the most important.

Cavalier Panther · Sep 23, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Wow....as much as he (Kanye) is despised now, I thought it was Jay Z who was the most important.

Jay Z's start and a lot of his output was in the 90s. He's influential, but also for things beyond his music. But he's in the conversation--certainly an entertainment titan.

bayardstreet · Sep 23, 2020

My guess is Beyonce somehow got to vote twice for her albums.

ameoba defense · Sep 23, 2020

People get worked up about these lists, which are nothing but opinion. This is an album list, so artists like Hank Williams, and the early rockers won't be here because the only artists making serious attempts at albums in the 50s were jazz guys, and singers like Sinatra. 25 years ago, the voters would have been mostly rock guys, with a few r&b guys included, which is what gave you lists full of stuff from the 60s and 70s. People tend to prefer their favorite genre, and the eras of their youth. You're now covering 60 years instead of 25, so the lists are going to reflect that. Ray Charles groundbreaking "Modern Sounds In Country And Western" isn't on this list, and neither is Duke Ellington's 1956 masterpiece "Live At Newport", because they were long ago, and the people who would have championed them have mostly passed on. Take these lists for what they're worth, which isn't much.

ameoba defense · Sep 23, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Yeah, I mean 3 Stevie Wonder albums?

Well, Stevie was winning the Album Of The Year Grammy for pretty much everything he put out during that period, and none of those awards were controversial either, so I can't complain about him getting 3 spots.

Dan1911 · Sep 23, 2020

Just people’s opinions—which mean nothing in the end, but I’m not a fan of this list...but I’m not a fan of the panelists, either.

HailtoPitt · Sep 23, 2020

Amy Winehouse Back to Black #33
ACDC Back in Black #84

😂😂😂

Ski11585 · Sep 23, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Wow....as much as he (Kanye) is despised now, I thought it was Jay Z who was the most important.

I think his best stuff was in the 90s but even still Kanye was producing a lot of his stuff in the 2000s. Kanye’s impact as a rapper and producer is huge. Like @Cavalier Panther said, Kanye changed the game. And that’s big for me. He moved music forward and paved the way for guys like Drake.

Joe the Panther Fan · Sep 23, 2020

Well anyone doing a list like this is going to create discussion and controversy, which is kind of the whole point. But this list seems dumb even by Rolling Stone's incredibly low standards.

Pitt1975 · Sep 24, 2020

Very subjective. I actually think Abbey Road is the Beatles best album.
Machine Head, Deep Purple, surprisingly not on the list.
Can’t think of many more, and yet the top 100 has some head scratchers.

TheChair · Sep 24, 2020

Cavalier Panther said:
Say what you will about this message board, but golly coming here makes me feel young and plugged in. RecruitsReadTheseBoards must have lost his ears in 1990 to explain some of these takes.

A few thoughts:

Dark Twisted Fantasy is the album of the century.

Kanye is the most influential artist of this century.

808s and the auto tune changed music.

Dark Twisted Fantasy's bleak reflections on fame and money played out perfectly in the last 10 years. Kanye managed to marry one of the few people on the planet richer and more famous than him and he's spiraled into whatever the hell he is now. A mediocre gospel singer, completely detached from reality in his own mirrored-hallway-carnival-hellscape. He's a prophet, truly.

Kendrick is the most talented artist currently making music. He packed more ideas and musicality into To Pimp a Butterfly than most artists realize in their entire career.

Blonde and Lemonade are... amazing. They were instant classics and Lemonade and the documentary are cultural touchstones. So to Recruits "is this a classic to emulate" point, yes. Absolutely.

Sgt. Pepper at #24 is too low. That's a top 5 album and The Beatles best album.

I'm not sure what the criteria is for albums, but Red for Taylor Swift is .... a good pop album. I'm not sure it's her best or influenced pop music heavily. I like her, I'm just not sure what her impact will be in 30 years besides mammoth commercial success (though her new album is a departure).

Ditto Drake. I saw him live a few years ago and he's a magnetic entertainer, but as an artist, he's just OK for me.

I'd put the OK Computer and In Rainbows above Kid A, personally. But it was an enormously influential and experimental album and that counts for something.

Agree with the above poster that even the Bends may deserve a higher spot. It was early radiohead experimentation and so many 2000ish rock bands were influenced by it.

I would put Is This It? by the Strokes somewhere on here.

I tend to agree with most of your thoughts.

I am not quite sure that Kanye is the most influential artist since 2000, but I think the two records of his on this list clearly deserve to be on the list, in the order where they were ranked and with the spacing between them. Was My Twisted a top 20 album of all-time? I do not think so. But, it certainly was a top 50-100 and is representative of his best work.

The guy is crazy as hell and in certain ways he is not musical like say The Beatles or Prince or D'Angelo or (insert name of artist that actually plays instruments), but his sound has been tremendously impactful and of mostly excellent quality since his first album.

Sgt. Pepper and the White Album were better than The Beatles stuff listed ahead of it, which were also great albums. Just not as good. I am not sure how the White Album went from nearly always being the #1 record ever to somewhere in the top 50 over the past 20 years. Nothing around it truly changes, but I guess the perception of it has changed.

I completely agree on Radiohead. OK Computer, In Rainbows ... I even think that Hail to the Thief was better than Kid A, which is a great record, just not their best.

Really surprised that The Dark Side of the Moon is so low.

With Kendrick Lamar, I think good kid, m.A.A.d city was his best record, but To Pimp a Butterfly was more socially relevant given its timing. Both excellent, as was DAMN.

I do not think those OutKast records deserve to be on this list. Speakerboxx/The Love Below generally has been regarded as their best record. And really, it is The Love Below, if anything they have made, that deserves to be on this list.

Reasonable Doubt was a great record, but it pales to The Blueprint, I think. Jay Z has always been great at proclaiming things and having people go along with it. It is a great talent of his and he has always talked about Reasonable Doubt (which is a very good record). But, The Blueprint was easily his best and should be on this list.

I think 1999 is better than Purple Rain, but sort of like with Kendrick, Purple Rain was more socially/culturally significant.

Finally, Drake had best playlist records than Take Care. If You're Reading This Its Too Late is probably his best work (and most controversial).

SoufOaklin4Life · Sep 24, 2020

HopeandChangeforAntoons said:
Lol. Check all the boxes.

If you want to put the biggest rap and hip hop albums how do you not include Raising Hell? Marshall Mathers LP? Tupac also probably has a couple albums better than anything Nas ever put out.

Licensed to Ill would be there to, but that is sort of frowned upon now and I’m sure the Beasties themselves would put Paul’s Boutique Ahead of it. Both were better and more innovative than a lot of stuff listed.

I actually think The Bends should be on there before Kid A.

Nothing against Frank Ocean or Amy Winehouse but Pearl Jam Ten was a far bigger and more important album.

I love Miles and Coletrane but cmon.

Kid A is a far better album

DT_PITT · Sep 24, 2020

recruitsreadtheseboards said:
Strange.

Agree ... it almost seems like a shake up for shake ups sake.

TheFormula · Sep 24, 2020

Interesting takes. This list is trash. Joni Mitchell at 3. Foh. Lauryn Hill has the best hip hop album?!?! News to me, a 35 year vet of hip hop. Nirvana 6?!?! Hell to the naw. Garbage ass Radiohead has 2 albums better than ANY Led Zeppelin record.

This list makes me angry. I get being a musician

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