I think Florida is going to finish the job this year. Their physical in your face approach is going to carry them home!
OT: The NHL Playoffs, Fo Real.
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I noticed PK Suppans wife threw away the smoking jacket and ordered him to wear a real suit.
Terrific hockey. My better half is from small town Alabama and cant get enough.
Terrific hockey. My better half is from small town Alabama and cant get enough.
Edmonton 2 Dallas 1, Final ...... Edmonton wins the WCF's 4 games to 2, so it's a USA vs Canada Stanley Cup Finals ...... Florida vs Edmonton, interesting matchup ..... Dallas outshot Edmonton 35-10 tonight but Edmonton scored 2 first period PP goals which ended up enough to win !
Stanley Cup Finals start Saturday June 8, 2024 at 8PM.
Stanley Cup Finals start Saturday June 8, 2024 at 8PM.
And this is the NHL's problem: Your Stanley Cup final features a Canadien team (no American fanbase) vs an American team with the worst fanbase. The NHL needs to step in and move the Panthers or rig it so they suck because you cant have good players on a team with no local fanbase whatsoever. I'd expect this to be the least viewed Stanley Cup finals in the US ever. Also never understood why they needed to go head to head with the NBA. Finish the playoffs 2-4 weeks later when nothing is on except for boring-ass baseball and Wimbledon.
Yeah...when you had a shot at Dallas vs NY................... But then again, the NHL's best player has been stuck in the prairies of Alberta, so he finally gets a big stage. As for Florida, this is the fifth straight year a SCF will involve a Florida team, so I am thinking they are getting some hold on a fanbase in that state.
On that note, the Panthers are the first team to make the finals after losing in the finals the year before since..............................your 2009 Penguins.
This play would've been so iconic if the Panthers managed a last-second comeback and won last night.
I agree that the embellishment penalty on Tkachuk was certainly questionable but the call on the Oiler was hooking not tripping and the hooking was on Tkachuk's upper left thigh/hip area ..... Tkachuk went down like he was tripped so I think the ref felt he embellished the hooking penalty (and I can understand that when he is looking at it at full speed) but if you look at the replay, it looked more like Tkachuk lost an edge on his left skate after the hook then toe picked ...... replay in the link below so everyone can decide for themselves what happened (start at the 11 second mark of the video and watch the hook, then watch Tkachuk's left skate).....
Hooking or tripping I still struggle with the fact that a penalty was committed to impede Tkachuks progress and it was a legit penalty. So how can you call embellishment on an actual penalty? Isnt the reason for embellishment to prevent guys from faking falling to DRAW a penalty? It seems if there is a legit penalty than there's no embellishment. If the rules allow for both its a dumb rule.
The NHL Rule for Diving/Embellishment = "any player who blatantly dives, embellishes a fall or a reaction, or who feigns an injury shall be penalized with a minor penalty under the rule".
So, an embellishment penalty can be called on a player whether the opposing player actually commits a penalty or not ....... whether one agrees with it or not, the league doesn't want players to be diving to make it look like an opponent committed a penalty when they didn't and doesn't want players diving to try and influence a call even if a penalty was committed by the opponent ...... they want to decrease players embellishing all over the ice ....... embellishment isn't often called but when it is called, many times it is when an opponent commits a penalty and the player embellishes it so often ends up with coincidental penalties ..... that is not unusual.
I'm not saying that I like or don't like the rule but in my post above with the video, I tried to explain why the ref likely thought that Tkachuk was guilty of embellishment and that is when someone is hooked exactly how he was, the reaction is not to go down exactly the way he did so the ref thought he embellished ..... but I tried to show on the replay that likely it was not embellishment but rather Tkachuk lost an edge on his left skate and toe picked all causing him to go down.
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Appreciate the clarification. But as I said it’s a dumb rule. If the player committed a penalty embellishment is completely irrelevant
Embellishment aside, Edmonton is making a series out of the Stanley Cup Finals with Florida now up 3 games to 2 going back to Edmonton for Game 6 on Friday .......
So what was the difference in Games 4 and 5 which Edmonton won after being down 3 games to none and Florida looking like they might sweep ? ....... in the last 2 games Edmonton has used their speed advantage to get the puck out of their zone, through the neutral zone, and have scored numerous goals off the rush (especially in Game 4) ..... thus the Oilers speed has negated to some extent the Florida forecheck ...... in addition the Oilers PP has been 3-11 (27.3% rate) the last 2 games and they have scored 2 shorthanded goals (the Oilers have more SHG's in the series then Florida has PP goals to date) ..... also, Skinner has played much better in Games 4 and 5 for the Oilers then he did in the 1st three games and Bobrovsky not as well.......
In Game 6 to win Florida is going to have to get their forecheck going to slow the Edmonton north-south game down by negating Edmonton's speed ...... the Panthers will also have to stop taking so many penalties and convert more on their own PP opportunities (and quit giving up SHG's) ...... of course, Bobrovsky will need to dominate again ....... should be an interesting Game 6 !
So what was the difference in Games 4 and 5 which Edmonton won after being down 3 games to none and Florida looking like they might sweep ? ....... in the last 2 games Edmonton has used their speed advantage to get the puck out of their zone, through the neutral zone, and have scored numerous goals off the rush (especially in Game 4) ..... thus the Oilers speed has negated to some extent the Florida forecheck ...... in addition the Oilers PP has been 3-11 (27.3% rate) the last 2 games and they have scored 2 shorthanded goals (the Oilers have more SHG's in the series then Florida has PP goals to date) ..... also, Skinner has played much better in Games 4 and 5 for the Oilers then he did in the 1st three games and Bobrovsky not as well.......
In Game 6 to win Florida is going to have to get their forecheck going to slow the Edmonton north-south game down by negating Edmonton's speed ...... the Panthers will also have to stop taking so many penalties and convert more on their own PP opportunities (and quit giving up SHG's) ...... of course, Bobrovsky will need to dominate again ....... should be an interesting Game 6 !
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Bob needs to be better and they need to play a solid road game that may work in their favor. They got to play McDavid hard.
Edmonton showed life at the end of game 3. They got a fluke goal off a D's rear end then a deflection of a shot from the point.
It is funny how stuff like that can change fortunes. It can stuff the head of goalies too.
It's good the series is now competitive.
I think it’s a great rule. Keeps down the diving that at one time was becoming too common. Both can be true, as anyone who grew up in a house full of boys would know, you can both report and embellish to your mother what your brothers did.
Need to play like they did in the second and third period of last game. They’ll be fine
So what is the harm when a guy is legitimately Tripped or hooked and the guy embellishes it ? How does it adversely impact the game when the penalty is already legit
I figured the game was going to be on tonight. I forgot how many days they have between games. It extends the series on for way too long.
Because the embellishment makes it a lot harder to determine if it legitimately was a penalty or not in the first place.
You can't have a rule that says that embellishment is sometimes a penalty and sometimes not a penalty. Well, OK, I take that back, it's the NHL and they are known for doing really stupid things. But man, that would be a really stupid one.
- Pens just signed Alex Nedeljkovic to a 2 year contract for $2.5M/year ...... looks like Jarry and Ned will be back unless one is traded ....... I think they probably feel Blomqvist needs at least another year in the AHL.
- If you guys read my post above, you would see that I said Game 6 is Friday ..... it looks like if there is a Game 7 it is scheduled for Monday night ..... I'm rooting for Florida but wouldn't an overtime game 7 be GREAT !
- Regarding embellishment, as several have said, the NHL doesn't want players diving/embellishing all over the ice every game to try and affect officials calls and as Joe said, embellishment sometimes makes it harder to tell if a penalty was actually committed ...... embellishment is considered by the NHL to be an "unsportsmanlike conduct penalty" in itself and if you think of it that way, maybe it is easier to separate connecting it to whether the opposing player committed a penalty or not.
- If you guys read my post above, you would see that I said Game 6 is Friday ..... it looks like if there is a Game 7 it is scheduled for Monday night ..... I'm rooting for Florida but wouldn't an overtime game 7 be GREAT !
- Regarding embellishment, as several have said, the NHL doesn't want players diving/embellishing all over the ice every game to try and affect officials calls and as Joe said, embellishment sometimes makes it harder to tell if a penalty was actually committed ...... embellishment is considered by the NHL to be an "unsportsmanlike conduct penalty" in itself and if you think of it that way, maybe it is easier to separate connecting it to whether the opposing player committed a penalty or not.
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Then just call one. Most penalties have a degree of subjectivity. Embellishment especially does. Make a judgement, was the hook/hold worse than the dive? If yes, just call the former, if not then just call the dive.
It is the same thing with these scrums and squirmishes, if you want to stop them, stop calling coincidental minors, just penalize the aggressor instead of always taking the guy who retaliates. If I guy punches a guy in the face, he goes. Unless the response is egregious, then take both. But that would stop alot of that crap if it leads to more power plays.
Admittedly embellishment is a somewhat controversial penalty among hockey people and just as you see in this thread there are those who like the penalty and those that don't and I agree it is a somewhat more subjective penalty than many others ....... but in the spirit of respectful debate, let me play devil's advocate to the part of your post regarding embellishment that I referenced above ........
We know what hooking and holding are and we know that embellishment is an unsportsmanlike penalty which is a totally different penalty then holding or hooking so if say hooking is called on a player, then embellishment called on the player that was hooked those are two separate penalties and you are saying that the officials should determine which penalty is worse and eliminate the other totally different penalty that was also committed separately and called by the ref (when is this otherwise done on penalties where 2 penalties are called and one is eliminated just because the other is worse ?)...... let me also ask, if the first player was called for hooking and the opponent who was hooked then high sticked the first player accidentally or not (again a separate penalty) would you then suggest that the official determine which penalty (the hook or high stick) was the worst of the two penalties and eliminate the other penalty ? ..... of course not ...... the other thing is, if you make the referee decide whether the hooking or embellishment is the worst of the two penalties you are adding another second layer of subjectivity to the call ..... the ref has to decide whether there was embellishment or not (again somewhat subjective) and on top of that which penalty was the worst which is another level of subjectivity and it is important because it determines whether there is a PP or 4v4 .... not good to add more subjectivity to the call IMO ....... fortunately, embellishment isn't called very often which is good and that tells you embellishment isn't much of a problem in the game the way the current rules are written and enforced (which is the goal of the rule).
Anyway, HUGE game tonight and I don't think that is embellishing the situation !
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WOW, what a comeback in this series by Edmonton ...... Game 7 Monday night, wouldn't it be something if it went about 5 overtimes !
I can't say either has an advantage in Game 7. Because now the pressure is equal. Yeah, Florida has blown a 3-0 lead, but it is all for naught for Edmonton if they lose. Florida looks spent. You wonder if their trip to the Finals last year and now this long run is catching up to them.
Barkov's disallowed goal is exactly why I hate "weaponizing" replay. And it is why I say replay should last no more than 30-45 seconds. Because when you look at a bang/bang play, you can convince yourself of anything if you look at something for 5 minutes and 20 different vantage points. It is not about "getting it right". It is ruining the games. Replay was designed to overturn egregious errors. For instance, in the 2012 playoffs Phlyers against the Pens, Danny Briere was 8FEET off side when he got the pass that led to a breakaway and goal. That is what it is designed to over turn. Not some millisecond where absolutely no advantage was gained.
They really need to put a time limit on these things and force the officials to make a call. In many of these cases where they over turn, I am betting they wouldn't because there was never overwhelming evidence. Even last night, I can't say unequivocally that the Panthers were offside.
They really need to put a time limit on these things and force the officials to make a call. In many of these cases where they over turn, I am betting they wouldn't because there was never overwhelming evidence. Even last night, I can't say unequivocally that the Panthers were offside.
Well, I never thought we would see a game 7. Edmonton's speed seems to be the difference now. Florida's in your face forechecking style can indeed wear a team out, but, it looks like it might have been the wrong team. They may have worn themselves out. In any event, Bobrovsky was the difference early for Florida, he hasn't been nearly as good of late. Florida will have home ice, but, Edmonton will have the mental advantage knowing they have won 3 straight while outskating and outshooting Florida. Hope it's an overtime nail biter, because I really don't care who wins. I was originally pulling for Florida, but, Edmonton Oiler girl Kait gave me 2 good reasons to root for Edmonton. Lol
That's the way that it should be in all sports. If you can't see that the call was wrong in a relatively short period of time, then there was no obvious error and the call doesn't need to be overturned.
Of course what all leagues fear is that they limit the replay to, say, 60 seconds, and then later on they find a view that they didn't see when they were doing their review that shows the call was wrong and should have been overturned. Which would be a huge problem, because as everyone know, there has never been a bad call at a big moment before in any sport.
Joe, here is the blown up of the best angle. They had to go 4-5 minutes deep to find this and overturn the call? I am thinking if they let the goal go and someone produces this photo as evidence that they "screwed up" the NHL could live with it.
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