This is just a shade more impressive than Mike tomlin’s successful Challenge %.
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This is just a shade more impressive than Mike tomlin’s successful Challenge %.
How many wild card games has he had to play in?
How many road playoff games has he played in?
It's pretty easy to make conference championships when your division lies down like dogs starting week 1 for 20 years.
He's the best qb ever, but their "dominance" wasn't as hard to come by if you look under the covers.
How many road playoff games has he played in?
It's pretty easy to make conference championships when your division lies down like dogs starting week 1 for 20 years.
He's the best qb ever, but their "dominance" wasn't as hard to come by if you look under the covers.
Their home success vs road success is illogical. I mean, look at their team this year. It’s hardly their best team, yet they are 9-0 at home and never trailed in any of those games (except for a few minutes vs KC). And said team is 3-5 on the road.
Defies logic.
Nope. As I said, Brady is the best QB of all time and Bill, top 5 coaches of all time.
Their division makes the accomplishment easier to accomplish.
I hate the Pats but they have avoided wild card games and road games because of their dominance. And it’s never easy to make it to the conference championships regardless of where you play.
Bet that
And Tomlin has had an entire career w the worst Franchise in the league the Brownies .....along w Marvs gang of mindless knuckleheads who fro time to manage to actually wake up and play.
Plus beating Jabronies isn’t exactly Tomlin s forte lol..
Yeah. If it just wasn’t for those darn Patriots, the Steelers would have seen so much success over the last 10 years.
The Pats cannot apologize for playing in that division. What should Belichick do, draft for Miami, Buffalo and New York? Those franchises are beyond incompetent when it comes to building a football squad.
Another stupid question from the ToMlin water boys.
Tomlin can’t manage a time clock , situational FB or challenge flags for crap ....
Who the hell knows how games would have played out otherwise ...
He wings it and goes by his gut on challenges.
His words.
Great leaders are all about the details.
In what other areas does he wing it and go by his gut, instead of preparation?
Seasons often come down to one play. A failed challenge could have been the difference between home games in playoffs, and going home early.
But he hasn’t had a losing season w his HOF QB
So
He got that going for him
Which is nice.
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Who the hell knows how games would have played out otherwise ...[/QUOTE]
Or seasons.
Look at the Pens. 2 years ago, they challenged a goal scored vs Tampa Bay. They won the challenge. If they hadn’t , they have been knocked out of playoffs long before the cup finals.
With tomlin, and I’ll put it on the Steelers too, it’s not just the failed challenges but it’s also the challenges they fail to make.
But anyway, the Tomlin jab in the OP was just a light hearted poke for fun. A throw away line if you will. This thread is about the Patriots. But the water boys here get so agitated that the thread evolves into another Tomlin session.
Who the hell knows how games would have played out otherwise ...[/QUOTE]
Or seasons.
Look at the Pens. 2 years ago, they challenged a goal scored vs Tampa Bay. They won the challenge. If they hadn’t , they have been knocked out of playoffs long before the cup finals.
With tomlin, and I’ll put it on the Steelers too, it’s not just the failed challenges but it’s also the challenges they fail to make.
But anyway, the Tomlin jab in the OP was just a light hearted poke for fun. A throw away line if you will. This thread is about the Patriots. But the water boys here get so agitated that the thread evolves into another Tomlin session.
Tell that to Bellichick he’d LOL at you...
Peripheral issues are talking to the media and high fiving little kids.
Nothing that happens inside 60 is peripheral to him you can bet that
Great point.
But I wonder if Bellichick takes great satisfaction in, and sees great success in winning regular seasons, tier 3 bowl games and NCAA tourney births, like a couple posters here do.
Read that as well, will be interesting to see what effect that has on next year’s season win total.
I would think they play decent coming out of the gate, then when Tannehill inevitably gets hurt that’s when we will see semi tank mode.
Don’t think he would be satisfied like the Tomlin water boys are..
There is no doubt part of the Pats overall post season success is fueled by that Remedial Class of a division they play in. Over the year's, the Steelers have had to navigate the Ravens, and in many years the Bengals were as talented as most, they just Bungaled. But.....the Pats also took care of business, and put themselves into position to take advantage of it.
The Steelers, well we saw this year it all came to a head, but every year Tomlin's teams has that WTF loss that in many times was the difference between the AFC going through Foxboro vs Pittsburgh.
Wait, winning in the post season is important to you now? I didn’t say anything about winning those bowl games. From reading these boards, it seems that for some, the benchmark for success is just participation in the post season.
Do coaches get trophies for such things?
I get it.
You’re bored with having the same coach for awhile-
And want a little excitement to spice up your day.
Bored with Tomlin? No, bored with underachieving with him. It all came home to roost for the Steelers this year. Here's the thing, in 2-3 years, when Ben retires, Tomlin leaves, the next guy coming in is likely going to struggle. Then we will hear all those "bottom line" guys like you criticize the new coach and hold up all Tomlin's post season appearances as some standard that you demand and the new guy isn't meeting. Instead of realizing Tomlin likely has wasted 2-3 more Super Bowl appearances during his era because of his shoddy decisions. Again, he has coached every year with a HOF QB on his roster. Many compare his records with Cowher, but Cowher only had Ben for what, 3 years? Before that he had such guys as Tommy Maddox and Kent Graham.
When my kid was being recruited and taking official visits, I asked a coach once about his position and if he saw himself at the school in 5 years. His response was mind boggling to me. He said his job is secure, and that he isn’t going anywhere, provided the team makes the post season consistently and the players stayed out of trouble. Fast forward 5 years, he is still there and we know one of the players who says that the players are miserable because the coach is complacent and the overall morale of the locker room is not good. To me, this sounds like the coach is letting the team down, AND it sounds a lot like the current Steelers. Except the Steelers don’t stay out of trouble.
New England has similar organizational and player challenges as the Steelers except they'll adapt to
change and the Steelers won't. My guess is they'll package out Brady, Gronk, Belichick, and others in an organized way soon and retool for the future with a plan.
Another guess is the Steelers won't make changes,
won't be prepared for the challenges coming down the Football Pike, will react to problems and do everything in "crisis mode."
A Steelers past strength and philosophy of having three coaches in 50 or so years is becoming a weakness.
This isn't going to be the norm moving forward.
Today the only thing that's constant is change.
Organizations including sports businesses have to be agile
enough to keep up with constant change.
Take a look at the PENs success and how the organization has moved quickly in the area of players and coaches to remain competitive.
The PENs have changed out coaches to acquire coaching talent necessary to manage the modern hockey player, max out talent and the changing game of hockey.
The Steelers performance is trending down slowly but steadily, and it'll continue on that trajectory as they stick
to old philosophies ,decline to adjust, lose players, games, and miss opportunities.
change and the Steelers won't. My guess is they'll package out Brady, Gronk, Belichick, and others in an organized way soon and retool for the future with a plan.
Another guess is the Steelers won't make changes,
won't be prepared for the challenges coming down the Football Pike, will react to problems and do everything in "crisis mode."
A Steelers past strength and philosophy of having three coaches in 50 or so years is becoming a weakness.
This isn't going to be the norm moving forward.
Today the only thing that's constant is change.
Organizations including sports businesses have to be agile
enough to keep up with constant change.
Take a look at the PENs success and how the organization has moved quickly in the area of players and coaches to remain competitive.
The PENs have changed out coaches to acquire coaching talent necessary to manage the modern hockey player, max out talent and the changing game of hockey.
The Steelers performance is trending down slowly but steadily, and it'll continue on that trajectory as they stick
to old philosophies ,decline to adjust, lose players, games, and miss opportunities.
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Patriots are by far the best team since the turn of the century, but the perception is not totally the reality as far as Super Bowl dominance. The way they are perceived, you'd think they win the Super Bowl every other year? They had a stretch 2001-2004, where they won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, but do you realize that since 2005, the Steelers and Giants have won as many Super Bowls as the Patriots, TWO? So even though it "feels like" the Pats win every other year, they have won only 2 of the last 13 Super Bowls. And while we all acknowledge that Brady is the GOAT, in the time they have been in the NFL together, Brady only has a 3-2 edge over Ben and the Manning brothers in Super Bowl wins as a QB.
That was Cowher's fault, he undervalued the QB position. He was SO STUPID that he believed you could win by playing defense and running the ball, and always FAILED, Dan Rooney had to force him to draft Ben or we'd be stuck on 4 rings still.
That's a name you mentioned that deserves more mention. Dan Rooney. Dan was always the brains of this organization. From identifying and hiring Chuck Noll, to overriding Noll wanting to draft Robert Newhouse over Franco to yeah, Ben over the OT that Cowher wanted to draft. Dan was the brains and now that he is gone, I am fearful on the direction of this franchise.
A Steelers past strength and philosophy that they're sticking with having three coaches in 50 or so years is becoming a weakness...Sounds like the Pats current strength.
My guess is they'll package out Brady, Gronk, Belichick, and others in an organized way soon and retool for the future with a plan. There is no package for two old men and an oft injured ready to retire tight end...There was pre Belechick (Pats average or below), present Belechick (Pats phenomenal) and post Belechick (guessing back to average)...NE has no history of retooling coaches ever...
True but not entirely. Cowher wanted to trade for Drew Brees when he was a charger, prior to drafting a QB.
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