Terrible fundamentals. Weak arm and often throws to the wrong base. Great speed but doesn't have the baseball sense needed to steal a base. I can understand a bad year at the plate but his overall game is dismal. He seems to be very lackadaisical in all aspects of his game that has rubbed off Marte and Polanco. He is no where close to being a player like Trout, Posey, Or Rizzo.
OT - venting on McCutchen
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You are to kind. He flat out sucks. He can't throw, takes horrible angles to get to balls, can't steal bases anymore, and now he can't hit. He should be benched for a period of time and given a chance to rebound. If he can't figure it out, you get rid of him for the best offer. I thought he would be hitting again by now, but this is clearly a wasted year. He is one of the most overated players in baseball. He couldn't make a patch on Mike Trout's ass! Can't wait for Austin Meadows!
I'm old enough to remember when that Clemente fellow was a lazy malingering hypochondriac.
These are all my talking points. Guy is flat out terrible. He should be traded after the season and get what you can for him. Can't risk another bad year because at that point with 1 more year left on the contract the Pirates won't be able to get any decent return for him.
First thing Hurdle should do is bench him for at least 4-6 games. Then put him in left field and put Marte in Center. Then move him to 7th in the batting order until he starts hitting(which probably isn't going to happen).
First thing Hurdle should do is bench him for at least 4-6 games. Then put him in left field and put Marte in Center. Then move him to 7th in the batting order until he starts hitting(which probably isn't going to happen).
Please don't ever use McCutheon and Clemente's named in the same sentence. Clemente is a HOFer. Cutch is a Nutsack bobblehead imitation.
Not at its peak but could probably still return value from a contender that needs an OF upgrade like the Astros or Giants. Perhaps his value is still partially related to the fact that he may return to form. Wait too long and he may have little trade value.
So demote hi in the order, bench him and switch his position...then trade him?
Your lack of logic confounds me.
You gotta be kidding. I'm also old enough to remember Clemente. That is one of the dumbest comparison's I've ever seen. Clemente at age 37 was a MUCH better ball player than McCutcheon is now. And I like McCutcheon.
I could go on and on, but I can't believe I even devoted this much time to it.
I assumed that the guy's comment ("...when that Clemente fellow was a lazy malingering hypochondriac") was sarcasm. No?
In fairness, there was a time (early-on) when Clemente was booed by Pittsburgh fans...when a certain Pittsburgh newspaper reporter would interview Clemente and "quote" Clemente by spelling Clemente's comments phonetically, making fun of his accent. (Remember: there weren't very many Hispanic people living in Pittsburgh during Clemente's early days.) Hell, the TV people didn't even want Desi Arnaz to play Lucy's husband on "I Love Lucy" because of bigotry!
In his early days, Clemente - in the same manner as Ali - wasn't the popular, beloved athlete that he became later. The Pittsburgh fans were, at times, pretty nasty. But people either are too young to know that, or they've forgotten it.
He looked out of shape this year. Not fat, the opposite actually. Skinny. He needs to work out with marte, put on mass, it's how it works in baseball. Starting out high average with speed and évolve into à power hitter with speed and avg dipping.
Don't ever mention Clemente in the same breath as McCutchen. Cutch couldn't carry his jock strap. nor could anyone playing today. That man played the game at full speed all the time. He thought nothing of throwing himself against those brick walls to catch a fly ball. I see these guys today misplay balls at he wall because they worry that they're close to the wall.
It isn't just Cutch. The lack of basic fundamentals in today's game astounds me.
I get Cutch is having an awful year, but tough to read some of this on one of the classiest athletes in the city and a guy that helped end the Pirates long run of ineptitude.
Pittsburgh treated Clemente like crap, just like this board is doing to Cutch in this thread.
I'm sorry pal, let's try again
Oh Cutch is having a spectacular year!!! .243 is an amazing batting average, he should be mvp again!!! And the way he plays CF?? OMG he is the best ever!!!!
Nutting should just re-sign him now for record amounts!!! 30 million a year? No problem he's worth it!!!
Have you yelled at the neighbor kids to get off your lawn yet today, or is it too hot for anyone to be outside?
Cutch us having a bad year, it's a fluke. He's a talented player, classy rep of this franchise. You work with him and get him back on track. Trade value is down, you don't buy high and sell low, not a good strategy
I like him at center, as weird as it sounds, you want your weakest arm in center. Dude covers ground as good as anyone. Real question is, do you move him down in order?
I like him at center, as weird as it sounds, you want your weakest arm in center. Dude covers ground as good as anyone. Real question is, do you move him down in order?
Now you're simply showing your ignorance. I bet a lot of Brewer fans hated Lucroy last year. Players have bad years.
Did you want to trade Crosby or Kessel when they struggled? Wait...they're
By the way, through their age 28 seasons (through last year for McCutchen) McCutchen was clearly and obviously a better player than Clemente was through that point in his career. McCutchen's OPS+ in those years was never worse than 121, in his first two seasons. Clemente's age 28 season was only the second of his career that he put up an OPS+ of greater than 121. It gets lost in the fog of time, but in his third year as a pro Clemente slashed .253/.288/.348. He followed that up with .289/.327/.408 and .296/.322/.396. To put that into perspective, everyone agrees McCutchen is having an awful season this year. He's currently at .244/.316/.408.
The difference is most likely going to be going forward. Clemente was a superior player all the way through his 30s. Clemente was better at 37 (his last season) than he was at 27. That doesn't happen very often at all. If it happened today everyone would assume he was doing some sort of PEDs.
The difference is most likely going to be going forward. Clemente was a superior player all the way through his 30s. Clemente was better at 37 (his last season) than he was at 27. That doesn't happen very often at all. If it happened today everyone would assume he was doing some sort of PEDs.
Minimal, if this is what he is. If he rebounds a bit, you may be able to get a back-end Top 100 guy. If you call Dave Stewart on the right day you might be able to get his whole farm system, but that's highly unlikely. The problem is he's close to 30, he's starting to get expensive and his production isn't outpacing his contract. It's why Walker had 0 trade value.
Been telling y'all he's a bad fielder and isn't a guaranteed extension candidate when this contract is up.
We haven't seen him play anywhere else to determine if he would be better in left or right. We can assume that he probably is, but we certainly don't know that.
In a normal park his arm would be just fine in left. In PNC with it's huge left center field it would be a bit more problematic.
And really that was Temple's point, not that he was as good as Clemente. And what a shock, the morons on this board couldn't understand that
It's not a fluke at all. Since his MVP year in 2013 he has had a negative rating defensively and it has gotten worse every year. Plus his offensive production has declined as well and his overall WAR.
In 2013 his WAR was 8.3
In 2014 his war was 6.4
In 2015 his WAR was 4.2
This year his WAR is in the negatives.
Sorry, I know you love the guy and he was a solid upstanding guy but he is fading and his skills are diminishing. If you don't want to see or accept that then I'm sorry you are so blinded by the man.
Clint Hurdle declined to discuss the possibility of moving McCutchen down in the order. That convo, he said, would be between he and Andrew.
— Stephen J. Nesbitt (@stephenjnesbitt) July 23, 2016
I think it is coming finally soon and it's about time.
— Stephen J. Nesbitt (@stephenjnesbitt) July 23, 2016
I think it is coming finally soon and it's about time.
Excuse me for thinking that multi million dollar players should know things that little league players are expected to know. Like hustling all the time or which base to throw to or how to run the bases.
Clemente had two strikes against him in his early days in Pittsburgh. He was one of the earliest Latin players and he was also black. This was America in the 50s and 60s. We haven't come as far as we should have since then but racism was rampant and to a very large extent openly tolerated. Clemente got more and more popular the longer he played.
Cutch is having a bad year. I think where people are down on him is he appears disinterested and lacking concentration at times. Hitting slumps can and do happen to anyone. It's some of the other stuff that tend to piss people off. Foe example. The other night we had first and second, no outs. Cutch catches a ball drifting toward the right center gap. Runner on second tags up and Cutch, who doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of throwing the guy out at third, throws to third anyway. This allowed the guy on first to trot into scoring position at second. These mental errors are inexcusable and a lot of guys do it in today's game.
Not entirely true. His performance in the '71 world series opened a hell of a lot of eyes around the baseball world. But the way he died did raise him up to almost God like fame.
Roberto was my all time hero. As I watched him in that World series I couldn't understand why everyone was raving about him. He was only doing what I watched him do for 16 years. But he didn't play in New York so he was always considered a lesser player. Same way Henry Aaron was routinely overlooked until he really started chasing the Babe.
A few comments.
1: Who is this McCutcheon fellow? Never heard of him.
2: You are all awful, terrible fans. Seriously. There is no player more responsible for the Pirates' turnaround that Cutch and after one bad year y'all are ready to run him out of town. You don't deserve good baseball.
3: I absolutely guarantee all the same posters running Cutch out in this thread will be here after Cutch leaves the Pirates complaining about the cheap ownership unwilling to keep a guy like Cutch.
This thread only reinforces my belief that Pittsburgh has the worst sports fans in America.
1: Who is this McCutcheon fellow? Never heard of him.
2: You are all awful, terrible fans. Seriously. There is no player more responsible for the Pirates' turnaround that Cutch and after one bad year y'all are ready to run him out of town. You don't deserve good baseball.
3: I absolutely guarantee all the same posters running Cutch out in this thread will be here after Cutch leaves the Pirates complaining about the cheap ownership unwilling to keep a guy like Cutch.
This thread only reinforces my belief that Pittsburgh has the worst sports fans in America.
Worst sports fans ever. Mccutchen is having a down year, and while he may not go down as an all time great, he will always remembered as the guy that led the Pirates out of the dark ages.
I have often said that Pittsburgh fans deserve losing teams, and this thread reinforces that belief for me.
I have often said that Pittsburgh fans deserve losing teams, and this thread reinforces that belief for me.
