?????????????????????? The Steelers currently have the best record in the AFC, how doesn't he have control?
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OT: Wonder why the Steelers struggled today?
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almost up there on the jagoff scale with someone who creates a whiny post about old uptight jagoffs getting worked up over a game they don't play...not quite though..
Man, this is an ugly thread. I’m not a huge steeler fan, but that is more because of dumb yinzer fans than anything else.
As far as tomlin goes, he is a great coach, and it is extremely obvious to me that one of the underlying factors of why people don’t like him is because he is black.
Buffet has been extremely embarrassing in here.
As far as tomlin goes, he is a great coach, and it is extremely obvious to me that one of the underlying factors of why people don’t like him is because he is black.
Buffet has been extremely embarrassing in here.
Yes it certainly can be, but at times you hit rewind and watch defenders watching or turning to head down to the other end of the court before the ball's in the hoop. I generally like high school and college sports better no matter the sport because they aren't playing for a high dollar contract (for the most part) and are playing for their schools, with high school friends, etc - just a personal preference, I'm sure you have yours as well.
fathead gets all the credit when the offense plays well, he should get the blame when it doesn't play well
brady eats a mostly vegan diet and actually practices falling to prevent injury, he lives for football even when having more endorsements and opportunities than fathead
fathead eats pizza, wings, and beer and does the bare minimum of what is required of him as a football player
he said he wanted to win 5 super bowls, well yeah who doesn't? he wasn't willing to do the work like brady, then he saw brady reach his goal and now wants to quit and is only playing so he doesn't lose 30 million or so
he is not a leader, who the hell would follow a guy accused of rape twice?
brady eats a mostly vegan diet and actually practices falling to prevent injury, he lives for football even when having more endorsements and opportunities than fathead
fathead eats pizza, wings, and beer and does the bare minimum of what is required of him as a football player
he said he wanted to win 5 super bowls, well yeah who doesn't? he wasn't willing to do the work like brady, then he saw brady reach his goal and now wants to quit and is only playing so he doesn't lose 30 million or so
he is not a leader, who the hell would follow a guy accused of rape twice?
I used to argue until I was blue in the face that Tomlin was not a good coach but his records speak for themselves. A lot of it has to do with Ben but Tomlin also knows what he is doing. IMO if he were a little more buttoned up he may not lose the games he inevitably does but ever since the Jacksonville loss he hasn’t looked back. Coaching the Steelers is a top five gig but it also comes with a tremendous amount of pressure. Furthermore, Tomlin has held up to it pretty well.
I don’t like him because he is arrogant and he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. In fact, IMO since he’s black a majority of the players can relate to him easier.
I don't know. Black players related very well to Cowher too. Tomlin has a "cool vibe" that the players like, but Cowher, while his vibe was different, also had a vibe that appealed to players. Marvin Lewis is black, but I don't think he has the appeal Tomlin has. Sean Payton's white, but by all accounts, the black guys love playing for him.
Timing for extra points has ALWAYS been different. The 40 second clock does not start right after the touchdown, as it would if the player was tackled at the one yard line. Instead the 25 second clock starts when the referee signals the ball ready for play. And the referee does not signal the ball ready for play until AFTER he gets the signal from the sidelines that the replay booth has reviewed the play and determined that there will be no formal replay review. They also use the extra time to make sure that they get a "kicking" ball as opposed to a "regular" ball on the field, and to get the referees into their positions on the field for a kick, which is different from their positioning on a regular play.
The timing for an extra point is similar to what it would be after a turnover, not what it would be after a non-scoring offensive play.
I have to say Joe that was good!
Any chance you can replace Bob Costas?
well he said he relates with the players, does belicheck relate with his players? doesn't relating mean being friendly with them?
it's not his job to relate with players, it's his job to prepare them and coach them up
Yes-
I’d say belichek very much relates to his players
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/new...st-ever-because-he-can-relate-his-players?amp
Certainly not this year, Brady has been sacked 22 times compared to 11 for Roethlisberger. There have been a couple entire games where Roethlisberger has barely been touched.
Early in his career sure, but the last couple seasons the Steelers have had one of the better offensive lines in the league.
Outsiders have no clue as to what type of guy Belichick is. The see him in his hoodie, or at his press conferences, and think he's a stiff, Tom Coughlin type.
Tomlin is a rare guy that could probably get you of a tight spot in a Board Room or in the hood. That's part of what makes him successful. The game requires not only intellect, but passion and physicality. Also can relate to a wide range of people
I think you are wrong. Black or white a Steeler coach is going to get criticized for any losing. Heck, he’ll get criticized for winning sometimes.
But if you think you see racism in other’s words maybe you should worry about the racism in your thoughts towards those words.
What is your job with the Steelers? You must be in the locker room a lot to know all of this.
This is the best O-Line Roethlisberger has had, if they stay healthy they'll be the reason they make it to the SB.
The Steelers are going to win ugly always have, be it Tomlin, Cowher or Noll at the helm.
"Sometimes"? The Steelers are 7-2, yet every single week there is a post by these guys calling for Tomlin to be fired.
If you take Cowher's best 10-year stretch, Tomlin's first 10 years still has 5 more wins than Cowher's best 10, but these people still call for Tomlin to be fired.
If you do the same for Noll, his best 10-year stretch ('72-'81) had 105 wins, Tomlin had 103 in his first 10 years. Noll's came before free agency and had 9 Hall of Fame players.Yet these same Yinzers call for Tomlin to be fired every week.
Tomlin is 14th ALL-TIME in winning percentage among coaches with 50 or more wins. 9th among coaches with 100 wins. Guess what, they still think he doesn't deserve the job.
Noll also played in a 14 game schedule I believe (could be wrong). I am in the category that the Steelers coach will always be criticized regardless of who it is and if they win or loss they still get criticized. I don't think Tomlin cares, he seems to be comfortable in his own skin and he is making more in a year than most on this board will make in a decade.
I don't have a strong opinion on Tomlin.
But on the "relate to the player stuff", if I think if you look at some of the greatest professional coaches of all time, a lot of them were known for close personal relationships with their players.
- Bill Walsh (a mentor to all his players but almost like a father to his quarterbacks.)
- Greg Popovich (as far as I can tell, half of his entire approach is teaching players about what wine to buy and what French films to watch. He gets away with coaching them so hard partially because his star players have always had a close relationship with him on road trips and going to his house for dinner, and therefore set the example that it's OK for him to push them harder than other coaches.)
- Red Auerbach (Earl Lloyd, the first black player to play in the NBA, said: "Red Auerbach convinced his players that he loved them...so all they wanted to do was please him.")
- Bobby Cox, master of tutoring and trusting young players
I also think of a guy like Chuck Daly who had to figure out how to manage all of the egos that came and went so quickly on that high turnover Bad Boys team then had the easiest X's and O's but hardest egos job of all time in coaching the Dream Team. Obviously they were going to win all their games in Madrid but he still took Michael Jordan golfing for 36 holes every morning. Why? Because he loved golf, sure, but also so Jordan would trust him after the Bad boys fouled the hell out of him for the previous 5 years. It was about building trust and respect.
There are other greats who probably took another sort of approach (Earl Weaver, Bill Parcells?, Phil Jackson) but still...
But on the "relate to the player stuff", if I think if you look at some of the greatest professional coaches of all time, a lot of them were known for close personal relationships with their players.
- Bill Walsh (a mentor to all his players but almost like a father to his quarterbacks.)
- Greg Popovich (as far as I can tell, half of his entire approach is teaching players about what wine to buy and what French films to watch. He gets away with coaching them so hard partially because his star players have always had a close relationship with him on road trips and going to his house for dinner, and therefore set the example that it's OK for him to push them harder than other coaches.)
- Red Auerbach (Earl Lloyd, the first black player to play in the NBA, said: "Red Auerbach convinced his players that he loved them...so all they wanted to do was please him.")
- Bobby Cox, master of tutoring and trusting young players
I also think of a guy like Chuck Daly who had to figure out how to manage all of the egos that came and went so quickly on that high turnover Bad Boys team then had the easiest X's and O's but hardest egos job of all time in coaching the Dream Team. Obviously they were going to win all their games in Madrid but he still took Michael Jordan golfing for 36 holes every morning. Why? Because he loved golf, sure, but also so Jordan would trust him after the Bad boys fouled the hell out of him for the previous 5 years. It was about building trust and respect.
There are other greats who probably took another sort of approach (Earl Weaver, Bill Parcells?, Phil Jackson) but still...
So what you are saying is there are many different styles to coach and every coaching style can work. Got it thank you for the insight.
Yeah I am saying that but to be more explicit, I do think Tomlin and other black coaches (and probably some white coaches too?) face a "they're FRIENDS WITH THE PLAYERS OH NO" stuff that really has no point. Judge him by his record, discuss that.
people are friendly with people they understand
why aren't belicheck's players choreographing touchdown celebrations?
now that you mention it he probably does relate well with his players, they are the whitest team in the league
they don't celebrate? I haven't watched them enough to pay attention. Still IMO choreographed or any other celebration doesn't win or lose any game
LOL. My dad is like this. After a Steeler game (mind you it is usually a win) he will go into a critique of everything bad. And I always have to remind him the other side is paid to play the game too.
My dad's generation remembers the Super Steelers of the 70's winning every game they played, and winning it 50-0.
My dad's generation remembers the Super Steelers of the 70's winning every game they played, and winning it 50-0.
it's funny how they said their goal was to average 30 points a game, they didn't hit at least 30 points until they played against defensive "genius" dick lebeau
Thats the thing....they didn't win 50-0 every game. And while I still think it was the greatest team of all time relative to the era, people remember highlights more than the ups and downs of game play.
I grew up in the 80s so remember very little of the late 70s. What I had memorized where the NFL films productions.
For years, you never saw full game replays. As the NFL network and the internet became more popular, you got to see more full games and a wider variety of games. Those teams were not perfect either, but the memory of winning isnwhat becomes entrenched.
Full circle back to PITT.....that's where we missed the boat in recent years, esp in basketball. Despite how great those teams were, winning championships isnwhat entrenches it in the community around here
I grew up in the 80s so remember very little of the late 70s. What I had memorized where the NFL films productions.
For years, you never saw full game replays. As the NFL network and the internet became more popular, you got to see more full games and a wider variety of games. Those teams were not perfect either, but the memory of winning isnwhat becomes entrenched.
Full circle back to PITT.....that's where we missed the boat in recent years, esp in basketball. Despite how great those teams were, winning championships isnwhat entrenches it in the community around here
The NFL "jumped the shark" a while ago. I used to watch multiple games a week but can't sit through one without being bored and doing other things at this point.
The league sucks. The players are a$$holes.
Go Bills!
The league sucks. The players are a$$holes.
Go Bills!
