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Ive seen them employ a variety of sets. However I think largely it's an offensive philosophy that really relies on the players make the right decision based off of concepts but we just don't often execute that very well.
As we all know our limitations are great.
Tonight we'll see a FSU team that's highly disruptive and overplays.
It'd be nice to see a commitment to backdoor cuts to keep the defenders honest.
But yet that's another thing we aren't great at.
But there are some good long time coaches on this board somewhere who have discussed the offensive philosophy in detail.
 
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Drew1208 said:
Ive seen them employ a variety of sets. However I think largely it's an offensive philosophy that really relies on the players make the right decision based off of concepts but we just don't often execute that very well.
As we all know our limitations are great.
Tonight we'll see a FSU team that's highly disruptive and overplays.
It'd be nice to see a commitment to backdoor cuts to keep the defenders honest.
But yet that's another thing we aren't great at.
But there are some good long time coaches on this board somewhere who have discussed the offensive philosophy in detail.
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I recall that after one game, could have been the 30 point game, Curtis or Billy asked Justin how he seemed to be in the right spot so often. He said that he is free to roam around and find the open spots on the court, to either receive a pass or get a rebound. It struck me as it seemed clear that there are no screens being set or plays being run, and it was his responsibility to find the opening, which some players, particularly freshman, may not be able to handle as well as Justin does.
 
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PittMan 72 said:
Lots of times it seems there is also too much catching and pausing by guys on the perimeter. You get the zone out of shape and creates gaps and advantages vs it by moving the ball with continuity to cause the zone to move. The ball will move faster than any player can; but it has to keep moving and can't stop. As soon as it does and sticks in someone's hands, the zone has a chance to re-configure.

The guys handling the ball have to know where they're going with it and move it immediately. They can't be holding it, hesitating and looking around. Nor can the guys without the ball be standing around, either. Need better ball and player movement, both.

It would also be helpful on pick and roll plays if the Pitt player setting the pick and rolling would also occasionally receive a pass and then be able to make a 2nd pass. To a cutter from the wing or along the baseline; or on a give and go to the guy who passed him the ball initially. But the dexterity in terms of catching and passing on the part of the Pitt bigs has often been problematic, also. So that type of attack has been limited. Gotta work towards better execution - and better days - ahead.
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You made some great points and the only point I would have to add is our team need to do passing drills we our a terrible passing team. If we would learn how to throw the right passes we would be a little better as a team. It doesn't seem like a big thing but its a huge thing for our team and our T.O problem.
 
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Tonyt66 said:
You made some great points and the only point I would to and is our team need to do passing drills we our a terrible passing team. If we would learn how to throw the right passes we would be a little better as a team. It doesn't seem like a big thing but its a huge thing for our team and our T.O problem.
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I'd imagine they drill a lot in practice. On a variety of things. But games can be very different. Have to be able to perform spontaneously vs all kinds of different competition, in the moment.

Just have to keep working and put forth the effort to try to improve.
 
Drew1208 said:
Ive seen them employ a variety of sets. However I think largely it's an offensive philosophy that really relies on the players make the right decision based off of concepts but we just don't often execute that very well.
As we all know our limitations are great.
Tonight we'll see a FSU team that's highly disruptive and overplays.
It'd be nice to see a commitment to backdoor cuts to keep the defenders honest.
But yet that's another thing we aren't great at.
But there are some good long time coaches on this board somewhere who have discussed the offensive philosophy in detail.
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Not knocking on you Drew but I have only seen 2 sets against man and 2 sets against zone all year. And with the high pick offensive set the ball never goes to the big guy screening.

I would like to see an offense that had continuity where it can create at least 5 options from cuts, backdoors, pass reversals. There are over 21 curls and cuts alone and I don't see us using hardly any.

I would love to see more basket cuts, UCLA cuts, Laker Cuts, especially Chin Cuts which is my personal favorite. We could even use an Iverson Cuts.

I would really love to see Justin set picks and either slip to the basket or pick and pop for wide open 3 point shots.

I just see almost nothing offensively in our sets that leads to any high efficiency shots.
 
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rockypanther said:
Not knocking on you Drew but I have only seen 2 sets against man and 2 sets against zone all year. And with the high pick offensive set the ball never goes to the big guy screening.

I would like to see an offense that had continuity where it can create at least 5 options from cuts, backdoors, pass reversals. There are over 21 curls and cuts alone and I don't see us using hardly any.

I would love to see more basket cuts, UCLA cuts, Laker Cuts, especially Chin Cuts which is my personal favorite. We could even use an Iverson Cuts.

I would really love to see Justin set picks and either slip to the basket or pick and pop for wide open 3 point shots.

I just see almost nothing offensively in our sets that leads to any high efficiency shots.
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Oh my point wasn't to say I have seen alot. But ive seen a few.
But that wasn't my main point.
My main point is that their offense I don't think is designed on set plays. Rather certain formations, concepts, general rules and spacing.
 
Drew1208 said:
Oh my point wasn't to say I have seen alot. But ive seen a few.
But that wasn't my main point.
My main point is that their offense I don't think is designed on set plays. Rather certain formations, concepts, general rules and spacing.
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I think that's why when we see Capel complain about lack of movement and passing, that's because the philosophy isn't on set plays but concepts and the players are failing to flow.
 
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Drew1208 said:
I think that's why when we see Capel complain about lack of movement and passing, that's because the philosophy isn't on set plays but concepts and the players are failing to flow.
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In other words: Freedom to play offense unconstrained for the players. A key Capel concept, and recruiting tool. One would think after all we went through with Dixon people would get this, and understand why it is important.
 
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CougarClaws said:
In other words: Freedom to play offense unconstrained for the players. A key Capel concept, and recruiting tool. One would think after all we went through with Dixon people would get this, and understand why it is important.
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I think it’s funny people still think type of offense helps or hurts recruiting.

if we’re a middling program who stays below 0.500 in conference - we won’t be attracting anyone .

does anyone think the offense we’ve run the past 2 years is attractive to recruits ?
 
SoufOaklin4Life said:
I think it’s funny people still think type of offense helps or hurts recruiting.

if we’re a middling program who stays below 0.500 in conference - we won’t be attracting anyone .

does anyone think the offense we’ve run the past 2 years is attractive to recruits ?
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It’s not the particular offense, it’s whether or not kids perceive that they will be micromanaged. This is from a former player.
 
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SoufOaklin4Life said:
If coach k , calipari , Huggins , self , etc can demand players fit into their offenses and do what they are Coached to do -the “micromanaged “ label is a straw man
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Those are HOF coaches. There is a reason kids flock to play for Keatts, Gottfried, Romar, etc. The type of offense and the personality of the HC are the main reasons kids go where they go. Sure, winning helps but its not as important as a cool coach who can show them how they are going to get to shoot a lot and make the NBA
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Those are HOF coaches. There is a reason kids flock to play for Keatts, Gottfried, Romar, etc. The type of offense and the personality of the HC are the main reasons kids go where they go. Sure, winning helps but its not as important as a cool coach who can show them how they are going to get to shoot a lot and make the NBA
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Kids didn’t flock to
Keats at UNcw nor to Romar at Pepperdine or wherever he is, or to cal state Fullerton for gottfried

so - apparently you’re wrong , again
 
Drew1208 said:
I think that's why when we see Capel complain about lack of movement and passing, that's because the philosophy isn't on set plays but concepts and the players are failing to flow.
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Bingo.
Capel has a good plan but is used to Duke level (or close ) players to execute his plan.
There's the problem.

It's a catch22 for Capel.
His good plan looks bad because he needs better players to execute the plan which he may never get.

Imo the players appear to be confused and begin to stand around, not move to the ball like they should.
 
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BuffetParrothead said:
Bingo.
Capel has a good plan but is used to Duke level (or close ) players to execute his plan.
There's the problem.

It's a catch22 for Capel.
His good plan looks bad because he needs better players to execute the plan which he may never get.

Imo the players appear to be confused and begin to stand around, not move to the ball like they should.
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Frankly it’s not a good plan .

If you’ve ever watched duke -
Their offense is based on spacing and passing .

our offense looks nothing like their offense
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
Those are HOF coaches. There is a reason kids flock to play for Keatts, Gottfried, Romar, etc. The type of offense and the personality of the HC are the main reasons kids go where they go. Sure, winning helps but its not as important as a cool coach who can show them how they are going to get to shoot a lot and make the NBA
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Capel isn't cool? I honestly have no idea, but he doesn't seem any less cool to me than Keats, Gottfried or Romar.

Does it look like he's telling these guys not to shoot? It looks more like he's telling them not to pass.

Capel isn't showing them they can make the NBA? People were already talking about X leaving early last year.
 
JS School said:
Capel isn't cool? I honestly have no idea, but he doesn't seem any less cool to me than Keats, Gottfried or Romar.

Does it look like he's telling these guys not to shoot? It looks more like he's telling them not to pass.

Capel isn't showing them they can make the NBA? People were already talking about X leaving early last year.
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Ive met Capel at least 5 times, he's definitely cool.
However SMF's narrative about a "cool coach" is asinine.
 
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