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Paul Finebaum: I Think Oklahoma Wants Out Of The Big 12 'Desperately', LINK!

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Courtesy from our Former Big East Brother's on the WVU Mountaineer Board. At least they are not always talking about Football Scandals and hating the Big Ten, PSU Trustees and Pitt such as seen on BWI Boards? As someone said on the Lair earlier today, looks like Finebaum that is a SEC Expert & Great Analysts is putting these things he hears out.

I see this on the rise due to ESPN Demise that is expected to lose 2 to 4 millions Cable Subscribers every year. It confirms what I posted over a decade ago. Expansion back then was about gaining Markets to acquire Cable Subscribers and a few debated it. Now that Cable is Subscribers are going down and ESPN just sign Billions for NFL & NBA, trouble in on the way for all Sports! Meaning expansion is another way to hold it off and slow down the Cable Subscribers drop offs.

It does confirm one thing, the ACC Footprint keeps improving it and good fit for Pitt since the ACC can benefit by Expansion and taking on by winning FB & BB Championships.
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Better roll back the counter on days without the Big 12's stability put in question. ESPN host, college football hot take-a-thon and SEC apologist Paul Finebaum says he thinks that Oklahoma wants out of the conference "pretty desperately" and that "it doesn't take very much" to get the conference expansion wheels turning again in the NCAA. "I think the Big 12 is in big trouble, and I think this is something that we have been able to detect for some time," Finebaum said on Birmingham, Ala., radio station WJOX on Monday. "I don't think the Big 12 as we know it will still be in existence in five years." Finebaum, while naming no sources and saying at one point that what he's sharing is "only rumors," claims that the lack of a Big 12 network plays into the uneasiness. "There are schools in the Big 12 that have looked to get out, and I think continue to look to get out," Finebaum said. "And they can deny it all they want, but they don't have what the SEC and the Big Ten, Pac-12 and ultimately the ACC are going to have, and that's their own network, which is critical in this world of exploding television reality. And I don't know how you can really survive like that.........The radio host asked Finebaum if a Big 12 team winning a national title could alleviate some of the uneasiness."It wouldn't hurt because that is how we judge things," he said. "Look at the ACC. They're bragging in ACC country about winning both in football and basketball. That is significant, especially in football. So it does elevate your profile, but you can't go down on any checklist and tell me where the Big 12 is excelling right now because they're not."....................
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https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/co...ebaum-think-oklahoma-wants-big-12-desperately
 
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It has been awhile since expansion has been talked about on here so refresh my memory, does the big12 have a Grant in Rights?
also, maybe we should merge this into the other expansion thread
 
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It has been awhile since expansion has been talked about on here so refresh my memory, does the big12 have a Grant in Rights?
also, maybe we should merge this into the other expansion thread


The Big 12 has a GOR but it will be the 1st Conference that will have them expiring.

A team wanting to leave could announce its intentions to leave and negotiate its way out before they finally expire.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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The Big 12 has a GOR but it will be the 1st Conference that will have them expiring.

A team wanting to leave could announce its intentions to leave and negotiate its way out before they finally expire.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
The Big-12 School can also remove GOR with enough Votes and it is gone as well as Exit Fees. PAC-12 Wants & Needs Central Time Zones. Big Ten has been eyeing Kansas for basketball and be near to Nebraska. ACC ND-Texas connection & A&M SEC not any option for any money nor ND-Big Ten under ND-ACC Agreement. OU will take care of itself not worried about OKST. The Big-12 Rests were scramble in mass and some ending up praying at a mass too?
 
The Big-12 School can also remove GOR with enough Votes and it is gone as well as Exit Fees. PAC-12 Wants & Needs Central Time Zones. Big Ten has been eyeing Kansas for basketball and be near to Nebraska. ACC ND-Texas connection & A&M SEC not any option for any money nor ND-Big Ten under ND-ACC Agreement. OU will take care of itself not worried about OKST. The Big-12 Rests were scramble in mass and some ending up praying at a mass too?
WVU to the Mountain West, they love travel and it is but a few more miles west. The previously owned Grayhound bus is going to be tested.
 
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As far as the mountain queers are concerned they can go to the aac.
 
WVU will land in the ACC if this comes to pass. If Louisville as an athletic/academic package was good enough, WVU is good enough.
 
WVU will land in the ACC if this comes to pass. If Louisville as an athletic/academic package was good enough, WVU is good enough.

Except that Louisville brought a new TV market with them. The same can't be said for WVU. Regardless of the # of TV markets they claim to dominate, there really isn't any new value they could offer.

Edit to add: UCONN with their current football program would bring more value to the ACC than WVU would.
 
Except that Louisville brought a new TV market with them. The same can't be said for WVU. Regardless of the # of TV markets they claim to dominate, there really isn't any new value they could offer.

Edit to add: UCONN with their current football program would bring more value to the ACC than WVU would.

You might be right. I'll at least hope you're right.
 
WVU will land in the ACC if this comes to pass. If Louisville as an athletic/academic package was good enough, WVU is good enough.

One hillbilly hobo is enough. Two makes it an incest party... Aint happening... Louisville brought TV's and a new market, WVU brings nothing except moonshine and gum disease...
 
Except that Louisville brought a new TV market with them. The same can't be said for WVU. Regardless of the # of TV markets they claim to dominate, there really isn't any new value they could offer.

Edit to add: UCONN with their current football program would bring more value to the ACC than WVU would.

Louisville is SO MUCH BETTER than WVu on every front: Athletics ( Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, M & W Soccer, Baseball, + Facilities are top notch ), Academics: Yes U of L had a ways to go but they've taken big steps here too ( Quality of incoming students ACT scores rose 7 points in 1 year after joining ACC + fund raising , They raised $1 Billion recently ). Demographics: Metropolitan Area is 1.6 MM people, no pro sports. Locale: Middle South, 6 hours to Pittsburgh and Atlanta. 8 hours to Carolina's. Quality of people and life. No way you can compare Morganhole to Louisville.

U of L was an upgrade over Maryland and a STEAL for John Swofford and the ACC.
 
Louisville is SO MUCH BETTER than WVu on every front: Athletics ( Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, M & W Soccer, Baseball, + Facilities are top notch ), Academics: Yes U of L had a ways to go but they've taken big steps here too ( Quality of incoming students ACT scores rose 7 points in 1 year after joining ACC + fund raising , They raised $1 Billion recently ). Demographics: Metropolitan Area is 1.6 MM people, no pro sports. Locale: Middle South, 6 hours to Pittsburgh and Atlanta. 8 hours to Carolina's. Quality of people and life. No way you can compare Morganhole to Louisville.

U of L was an upgrade over Maryland and a STEAL for John Swofford and the ACC.

Alright then. You folks are convincing me I might have been wrong. Not that I mind. WVU... :/
 
Saw this article today..

How much faith do you have in the story that OU really, really wants out of the Big 12? Wouldn't a successful challenge to the media rights part of the agreement be the catalyst for a reshuffling of conferences across the country, except for maybe the Pac 12?

Kevin Sherrington: That story comes from our old pal Paul Finebaum, who was really just speculating. As it turns out, I think he's right. Oklahoma wants out, but not necessarily by itself. I think it would like to team up with Texas in a new realignment. The contract expires in 2024, and when that happens, I think we'll see a sea change in college football, and maybe the last one for a long while. I don't think there's any way the Big 12 goes on its present form at that point. The other schools might stay and add the likes of SMU and Houston, but it won't be a Power Five conference anymore.
 
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Saw this article today..

How much faith do you have in the story that OU really, really wants out of the Big 12? Wouldn't a successful challenge to the media rights part of the agreement be the catalyst for a reshuffling of conferences across the country, except for maybe the Pac 12?

Kevin Sherrington: That story comes from our old pal Paul Finebaum, who was really just speculating. As it turns out, I think he's right. Oklahoma wants out, but not necessarily by itself. I think it would like to team up with Texas in a new realignment. The contract expires in 2024, and when that happens, I think we'll see a sea change in college football, and maybe the last one for a long while. I don't think there's any way the Big 12 goes on its present form at that point. The other schools might stay and add the likes of SMU and Houston, but it won't be a Power Five conference anymore.
Honestly, I think this is the most likely outcome before 16 team conferences. I think the Pac12 adds UT and OU as teams 13 and 14 and the rest of the B12 (10) gets left out in the cold. Kansas is the only other school that has a valuable property and they can do basketball as a "mid major" or have multiple offers to join P5 as a basketball only member, but they could probably even bump a school like Missouri from the SEC.

16 is just too big and the other B12 schools have essentially no value.
 
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Why shouldn't the ACC take in Houston? Especially, if you're taking tv sets and population + Texas recruiting area. Definite exposure
advantages for the ACC going forward.
 
Why shouldn't the ACC take in Houston? Especially, if you're taking tv sets and population + Texas recruiting area. Definite exposure advantages for the ACC going forward.
This rationale doesn't make sense to me at all. Do people honestly think that playing Houston once every 6 years is going to help Pitt recruit kids from Texas?
 
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Honestly, I think this is the most likely outcome before 16 team conferences. I think the Pac12 adds UT and OU as teams 13 and 14 and the rest of the B12 (10) gets left out in the cold. Kansas is the only other school that has a valuable property and they can do basketball as a "mid major" or have multiple offers to join P5 as a basketball only member, but they could probably even bump a school like Missouri from the SEC.

16 is just too big and the other B12 schools have essentially no value.
Athletic Directors will tell you, the ideal number of Conference Members is 9 to 10 teams, because that way, they all can play each other and still have 3 to 4 OOC.

Therefore, Conferences with Two Divisions achieves that Goal with 18 to 20 Teams and that will permit 3 to 4 OOC including Carry Over within each Divisions.

Going to 16 Schools in Four Conferences with Championship Games and eventually 6 to 8 Playoff NCS Invites and CFB For Profit League is a March into the future, slow but steady.
 
Athletic Directors will tell you, the ideal number of Conference Members is 9 to 10 teams, because that way, they all can play each other and still have 3 to 4 OOC.

Therefore, Conferences with Two Divisions achieves that Goal with 18 to 20 Teams and that will permit 3 to 4 OOC including Carry Over within each Divisions.

Going to 16 Schools in Four Conferences with Championship Games and eventually 6 to 8 Playoff NCS Invites and CFB For Profit League is a March into the future, slow but steady.
There aren't enough options for 18-20 team conferences, so that won't happen. I think there is a better chance the bubble bursts and they pull back to 10 and 12 team conferences as revenue shrinks back.
 
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Honestly, I think this is the most likely outcome before 16 team conferences. I think the Pac12 adds UT and OU as teams 13 and 14 and the rest of the B12 (10) gets left out in the cold. Kansas is the only other school that has a valuable property and they can do basketball as a "mid major" or have multiple offers to join P5 as a basketball only member, but they could probably even bump a school like Missouri from the SEC.

16 is just too big and the other B12 schools have essentially no value.
If TX and OK go to the pac 12 they will likely take OK ST and another TX school with them. 14 teams doesn't work any better than 14, in fact it could work better if they break into pods of 4 teams then pick the top 2 based on overall conference record and play a playoff game. Also TX and OK will like having additional games in their timezone. In that scenario you could see OK st, OK, TX and (TTEch or maybe kansas-bb and another tv market) go to the pac12. Then the SEC might look to add the leftover from TEch/kansas and WVU the other teams likely get leftout. B10 probably wouldn't be interested in 2 teams enough to add anyone same with ACC.
 
The Big-12 School can also remove GOR with enough Votes and it is gone as well as Exit Fees. PAC-12 Wants & Needs Central Time Zones. Big Ten has been eyeing Kansas for basketball and be near to Nebraska. ACC ND-Texas connection & A&M SEC not any option for any money nor ND-Big Ten under ND-ACC Agreement. OU will take care of itself not worried about OKST. The Big-12 Rests were scramble in mass and some ending up praying at a mass too?

I don't understand the whole SEC is not a option for TX talk. SEC isn't going to give up the biggest prize in expansion(top ranked university as far as revenue) just because they already have TX A&M. A&M might protest but they would be told to shut up and take one for the team.
 
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There aren't enough options for 18-20 team conferences, so that won't happen. I think there is a better chance the bubble bursts and they pull back to 10 and 12 team conferences as revenue shrinks back.
Excellent point and view too and that has been discussed I am told by better minds like your own. When and if goes to to CFB For Profit League they will adopt many NFL Concepts on Reviving Geographic Rivalries to increase attendance by being closer to drive to Games, Mixing Bigger Traditional Programs nearby with Smaller Private Programs that help sell out the Smaller Programs Stadiums, Level Gridiron Playing Fields like the NFL Does on Equality Rules On Parity Rosters, Staffing, and Conference Sharing Incomes, and Paying Student Players without NCAA Oversight but their own For Profit Management Oversight!

The CFB For Profit League would be reorganized like the NFL did with the AFL Late 1960s. In that way, there will be 72 Teams divided into Nine Teams of 8 Conferences Nationwide. Perfect 8 Team Schedules with 4 OOC and easy CFB Invitation Playoff of Conference Champions.

This is what I have been told been discussed based on events in ever changing demographics, high tech impacts, societal values, much more ability to make more money, even with Players coming back and still getting their degrees, and removing the archaic rules written by the NCAA in 1900s that are slowly being eroded by Courts Today.

It is still about "THE GAME" and that is what makes CFB keep Growing, but Reducing the Costs & increasing the Revenues & keeping the Ratings will prevail sooner or later.

I enjoy your good post & insights because you follow trends, know the game, and follow how and why things change or stay the same!
 
I don't understand the whole SEC is not a option for TX talk. SEC isn't going to give up the biggest prize in expansion(top ranked university as far as revenue) just because they already have TX A&M. A&M might protest but they would be told to shut up and take one for the team.
If you ever went to Texas in Austin and I have been there with some friends and family that live there and then go to College Station where one can see a Presidential Library and meet many A&M Fans, you would understand in a New York Minute why UTexas won't join SEC unless it is mandated by the legislature and that won't happen either.

I once sat next to a very successful A&M Grad that wore his A&M Ring as a Badge of Courage from LA to Hawaii and Learned much about A&M Pride and Prejudices and he was very mannerly, courtesy, and confident and it was pleasure to meet him. yet, when it turned to UTexas there was tirade bigger than a typhoon and best leave those winds of change for another day.

Now it may happen under a New CFB For Profit Model where making even more money but not right now as UTexas won't accommodate playing A&M much like PSU Higher Ups Fear their own Alumni dislikes of Playing PITT until Cult Dolts Worshiping disappears?

Mention UT to an A&M Alumnus and watch the eyes grow Red, do the same and mention A&M to UT Alumnus and watch them look at you as if you are dead!

It is problem of arrogance, ignorance and hate on both sides and Boola Boola Camaraderie died a long time ago!

Texas is the most Profitable Football Program with one of the Richest University Endowments that can make UTexas and Independent if it chooses. This is why ACC Commish Swofford said Publicly there is only one Program that has an Open Invitation to ACC anytime and that is Texas.

Notre Dame is in the ACC Contractually if they choose to join in Football they will want another Prodigal Program that will bring in more money to share, and open recruiting grounds to such viewership every year.

 
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