Wild times out west

[Sean Miller Fan]

That isn't an argument that makes what he said wrong. Nobody was clamoring for UTEP's media rights 12 months ago and nobody is on their way to El Paso with a checkbook just because they are joining a conference nobody cares about.

And nowhere did I say UTEP was some big-time addition. I think he was disagreeing with my view that Pac 12 football is worth more than Big East basketball.

 

[happjack]

UConn not interested in joining PAC12 for football only, which also means they have no interest in joining them for all sports. Besides the damage it would do to their basketball programs by being an outpost of a western conference, there's no need to be paying exit fees to the Big East in the next 2 or 3 years to join a G6 conference when most likely in 5 or 6 they'll have either the ACC or Big 12 offering them a sweetheart deal.

UConn Reportedly Won't Join Pac-12 Amid Conference Realignment Rumors

Amid the Pac-12's push to bring in new members to the once shrinking conference, UConn won't be joining the league, per the Hartford Courant's Dom Amore.…

bleacherreport.com

 

[AllegeneeGenacGenac]

And nowhere did I say UTEP was some big-time addition. I think he was disagreeing with my view that Pac 12 football is worth more than Big East basketball.

I am disagreeing with that view because the per-school revenue numbers show the non-watered down MWC was not worth more than the Big East.

You are arguing that a conference containing some of the decent MWC teams, the 2 leftovers from the PAC-12, and a team TBD that's going to be a MWC bottom feeder or worse will significantly increase revenue from the MWC baseline by getting in a reverse bidding war with the MAC for weekday night timeslots on ESPNU?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I am disagreeing with that view because the per-school revenue numbers show the non-watered down MWC was not worth more than the Big East.

You are arguing that a conference containing some of the decent MWC teams, the 2 leftovers from the PAC-12, and a team TBD that's going to be a MWC bottom feeder or worse will significantly increase revenue from the MWC baseline by getting in a reverse bidding war with the MAC for weekday night timeslots on ESPNU?

That's fine. The Big East is getting $7.23 million per school. I am saying the Pac 12 will get more, probably more than $10 million. We will know soon enough.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

UConn not interested in joining PAC12 for football only, which also means they have no interest in joining them for all sports. Besides the damage it would do to their basketball programs by being an outpost of a western conference, there's no need to be paying exit fees to the Big East in the next 2 or 3 years to join a G6 conference when most likely in 5 or 6 they'll have either the ACC or Big 12 offering them a sweetheart deal.

UConn Reportedly Won't Join Pac-12 Amid Conference Realignment Rumors

Amid the Pac-12's push to bring in new members to the once shrinking conference, UConn won't be joining the league, per the Hartford Courant's Dom Amore.…

bleacherreport.com

I think that's the play, just like UNLV. There's going to be another landscape shift when FSU and friends go to a P2 so UConn will eventually be in the ACC or B12 and UNLV will be in the Pac 12.

For the P12, it has to be Texas State now. I cant envision an American Athletic team jumping ship since Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, and USF turned them down. Texas State turned down the MWC but the P12 is still an upgrade from the Sun Belt so maybe they go for it. If not, the P12 is down to CUSA schools or FCS schools. Maybe they add Montana or North Dakota State or Sacramento State (who is making a big "Sac 12" push).

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

That's fine. The Big East is getting $7.23 million per school. I am saying the Pac 12 will get more, probably more than $10 million. We will know soon enough.

The AAC schools get something like $7 million per year from television. The fact that none of their schools had any interest at all in the PAC7 should tell you about how much to expect the PAC7 to get.

But for some reason it does not.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The AAC schools get something like $7 million per year from television. The fact that none of their schools had any interest at all in the PAC7 should tell you about how much to expect the PAC7 to get.

But for some reason it does not.

You are comparing 2 things that arent equal. The American would not allow UConn to stay for football-only when it left for the Big East. So UConn football is in the wilderness, barely surviving. So, although they'd get a minor bump in pay to move the P12 (most if not all of which would get eaten up in travel costs), the main selling point was joining a legit league. For a school like Memphis, an extra $3 or $4 million per year isnt worth the exit fees and the travel costs for a league that may not even be as good.

 

[AllegeneeGenacGenac]

Texas State turns down the MWC: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-state-talks-mountain-west-stall-sources-say

You seem to be on an island with your MWC revenue projections SMF, maybe come join everyone else?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Texas State turns down the MWC: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-state-talks-mountain-west-stall-sources-say

You seem to be on an island with your MWC revenue projections SMF, maybe come join everyone else?

We are many posts deep now and you still are not understanding that I am talking about Pac 12 revenue, not Mountain West revenue. The Pac 12 will get more than $10 million per football-playing school (not sure about the Gonzaga carve-out). The AAC got about $7 million pre-Covid and pre-hyper-inflation. The Pac 12 will get $10 million or more. Texas State may be the 8th football member.

 

[AllegeneeGenacGenac]

We are many posts deep now and you still are not understanding that I am talking about Pac 12 revenue, not Mountain West revenue. The Pac 12 will get more than $10 million per football-playing school (not sure about the Gonzaga carve-out). The AAC got about $7 million pre-Covid and pre-hyper-inflation. The Pac 12 will get $10 million or more. Texas State may be the 8th football member.

You don't seem to understand that the future PAC-X is no more desirable than the current MWC. It's possible I'm being generous by using existing MWC per-team revenue as a proxy for future PAC-X revenue.

Whatever they were going to get without Texas State is what they're getting with Texas State, but that revenue is divided across 1 more member.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You don't seem to understand that the future PAC-X is no more desirable than the current MWC. It's possible I'm being generous by using existing MWC per-team revenue as a proxy for future PAC-X revenue.

Whatever they were going to get without Texas State is what they're getting with Texas State, but that revenue is divided across 1 more member.

You are incorrect. Texas State increases the P12 inventory by 12 games and those 12 games are worth more than the $0 you think they are worth. I dont know what exact value a school like Texas State brings but the P12 needs a minimum of 1 more team and I'm telling you the league is going to get at least $10 million/year per team.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Now it appears that the Mountain West is going to make Hawaii a full member. They play in the Big West for everything but football. If they do this, the MWC can be done with 8 full members if they choose.

UTEP
New Mexico
Air Force
Wyoming
UNLV
Nevada
San Jose State
Hawaii

All are former WAC members. Wyoming and New Mexico were founding members with BYU, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State in 1962. UTEP joined in 1968. Hawaii in 1979 and Air Force in 1980. So those 5 are longtime rivals. UNLV joined the WAC in 1996 and left in 1999 for the new MWC in 1999. San Jose State also joined the WAC in 1996 when it created the first super-conference (16 teams). Nevada joined the WAC from the Big West when 8 teams left to form the Mountain West.

Looking at the old 16 team WAC, here's where everyone wound up:

MWC: 7 (Haw, SJSU, UNLV, AFA, Wyo, UNM UTEP)
Pac 12: 3 (CSU, Fresno, SDSU)
Big 12: 3 (Utah, BYU, TCU)
American: 2 (Tulsa, Rice)
ACC: SMU