Also says this game is make or break potentially for jimmy franks
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...klin-new-quarterback.html?cq_ck=1473189273989
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...klin-new-quarterback.html?cq_ck=1473189273989
Penn state wants to be pitt according to foxsports
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Whichever coach loses this game is going to be in his fanbase's dog house. That's what makes this game so interesting. Both teams need to win this game and neither team looks like a sure bet.
Like Franklin, Narduzzi is still looking for his first big-time win at his current school.
Like Franklin, Narduzzi is still looking for his first big-time win at his current school.
And both fanbases should chill. Both programs are a work in progress and both coaches deserve more time. Ultimately, both teams are probably going to end up in the mediocre range of 6 to 8 wins.
Franklin, without a doubt, needs this game a lot more. There are going to be a lot of very good coaches hitting the market after this year, and PSU just might pull the trigger if they feel things aren't progressing fast enough.
Interesting quotes:
"Pitt has an upward trajectory. Pat Narduzzi, the Panthers’ second-year head coach, is respected around college football for his defensive genius, and he’s clearly following his former boss Mark Dantonio’s gameplan in building the Pitt program."
"Right now, Pitt is what Penn State wants to be — a program that's good and clearly getting better."
"Pitt has an upward trajectory. Pat Narduzzi, the Panthers’ second-year head coach, is respected around college football for his defensive genius, and he’s clearly following his former boss Mark Dantonio’s gameplan in building the Pitt program."
"Right now, Pitt is what Penn State wants to be — a program that's good and clearly getting better."
Don't disagree but Pitt won as the underdog - 5? 6? times last season. To me they were all great wins. Franklin has never done that in HV, perhaps even stretching back to his time in Vandy.
Good find, thank you!
Heard it here first on the Lair late last and early this year and not anywhere on BWI or any other Penn State Board, Media, or Newspapers.
PennLive follow up on it after CBS Sports reported it just less than month ago, and CFN has noticed and said it, and other Publications.
It shows Long Ears into Old Main and why No Extension, Assistants left, New Assistants have just 2 Year Contracts, Statewide Caravan cancelled, and all hopes are pinned on Franklin winning 8 to 9 games in 2016, while OC Moorhead Offense holds Franklin's Fate.
Blackledge and other PSU Former Players are still waiting on Franklin to show better coaching?
Penn State will Honor Paterno next week and then all moving on and token acceptance after that only showing the University comes first now not any legend and no one coach will hold sway over the University compliance Office again.
If Franklin can beat Pitt badly, then Pitt Coach Narduzzi will have to address it and continue to rebuild the Pitt Program with an Extension in his pocket and up to Coach Pat to improve Pitt. A win will really set the tone of the Pat Narduzzi Era as the alternative.
It is not easy overcoming many advantages Penn State Football Program's Resources has over most in the East. It is also not easy for Franklin to stay with Big Ten Midwest Programs in Ohio State, MSU, Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin?
WVU Holgrosen has it even tougher now Texas is back with OU, TCU, Baylor, OKSU, and KSU.
The difference is Coach Franklin really hyped his own expectations with slogans, reverence to Paterno, better recruiting than Paterno Era, and then went back on his earlier comments, statements, and bravado.
Franklin went on to blame Penn State's Football Program Paterno Error Sanctions, Big Ten Negative Recruiting, and his own players like Hackenberg and some former long time loyal Assistants. He put himself on where he must win the Pitt & Temple games this year!
JF has the talent to do it too, but if he loses Pitt or Temple or both it goes from Warm to Humid, then add in Michigan, OSU, Iowa, and MSU, it will be a tad more Warmer than expected, and if Maryland, or Indiana beat his Team, damn well Hotter than the some previous Publications already predicted.
As for Pitt Narduzzi a lost is setback but not death nail, and win will put him in a better position than Pitt Program has been in a long time.
Why the game is so important and I still have no clue who will win? Up to the Coaches, then Game Plans, then Players Game Day Execution!
Why i also advocate and urge approaching all Penn State Fans Visitors to Heinz Field with a warm welcome and telling them it is great playing Penn State University again to enjoy the competition to make each other better.
All three Football Programs in Pitt, WVU, and Penn State need to rebuild further to win the ACC, Big-12, and Big-10, say and believe we what you desire or will, but we all need each other to make us better together.
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If Pitt loses this game - which I see as 50-50 - Coach Duzz will not be in my doghouse. My goodness, look at the freshman class he brought in. Better quality and depth than anything we've seen in many, many years.
I agree with the article that Pitt is on the rise. How can anyone not see that. And that's regardless of the results of this particular game.
Go Pitt.
I think the article sums up PSU pretty well. I think it was probably a little generous to us.
To describe our defense as nasty after the way they were carved up by Navy, and the way they played last year down the stretch is comical. Nobody will confuse our defensive personnel with Alabama or Auburn. We are still talent deficient in several areas.
To describe our defense as nasty after the way they were carved up by Navy, and the way they played last year down the stretch is comical. Nobody will confuse our defensive personnel with Alabama or Auburn. We are still talent deficient in several areas.
I don't know how important THIS game is to Franklin but Narduzzi wants it more. Narduzzi has made this game special while Franklin is taking the just another game approach. I honestly think the nits could be walking into a hornets nest Saturday and I expect Pitt to blow open the playbook and leave it all out.
IMHO Franklin's success this year will have nothing to do with Saturday unless the nits are blown out of the stadium. His success will hinge on how the nits to against Ohio State, Sparty, Michigan and Iowa. The nits don't see Pitt as anything special. If he loses to Pitt but knocks Ohio State all will be fine in happy valley. They consider them their rival, not Pitt.
Both teams are talent deficient in a lot of areas!Two very mediocre P5 teams that fans think are better than they are.My goodness if you couldn't see the huge difference in talent between the top teams that played last weekend and these two than go "see" Ray Charles's Dr!I wish the writer of this piece would of done a little research on the teams before writing but hey don't let facts get in the way of a good story.Win or lose Jimmy is not on the hot seat and people who make the decisions aren't second guessing if he loses this one.It should be a good game but stranger things have happened in sports before.bwdik
"Pantherman43, post: 1562625, member: 4298"]I don't know how important THIS game is to Franklin but Narduzzi wants it more. Narduzzi has made this game special while Franklin is taking the just another game approach.
Respectfully, disagree, this may be Franklin's approach but he needs it more than Narduzzi!
I honestly think the nits could be walking into a hornets nest Saturday and I expect Pitt to blow open the playbook and leave it all out.
I can't determine it, but I hope you are right.
IMHO Franklin's success this year will have nothing to do with Saturday unless the nits are blown out of the stadium.
Not if Franklin loses to Temple too, it will impact on him no matter what, just as it can set back Narduzzi's rebuilding plans for more rebuilding time. Penn State Fans are prepared for a 6-7, 6-6, 7-6 season and say it will be 2017-18 as break out years.
His success will hinge on how the nits to against Ohio State, Sparty, Michigan and Iowa.
Agree totally, but an Extension is dependent on beating Pitt & Temple or one of the Teams above too.
The nits don't see Pitt as anything special.
Yeah, they said that about Michigan and Ohio State in 1993-1996 until they lost more games to them, then said it about Iowa and Wisconsin later doing the same, then moved on losing to Northwestern, Nebraska and MSU, and now the Big Ten Programs don't see Penn State being the 8th best Winning team in the Big Ten anything special since 2000?
Relying on Penn State myopic views is not wise at all, they thought Sandusky was innocent, and Paterno was framed even though not charged, and Paterno lost more seasons since 2000 then O'Brien & Franklin?
If he loses to Pitt but knocks Ohio State all will be fine in happy valley.
This is a fair comments but it will still upset the PSU Faithful and Meyer's is not going to lose to Penn State, that is pure imagination speculation fantasy, and losing to Pitt & OSU will hurt even more, is far more most likely.
They consider them their rival, not Pitt.
Yeah, they consider many things now, but the world view of Happy Valley is no longer respected, honored, and not a Happy place for anyone that has values beyond those PSU Myopic Views you proclaim!
Respectfully, disagree, this may be Franklin's approach but he needs it more than Narduzzi!
I honestly think the nits could be walking into a hornets nest Saturday and I expect Pitt to blow open the playbook and leave it all out.
I can't determine it, but I hope you are right.
IMHO Franklin's success this year will have nothing to do with Saturday unless the nits are blown out of the stadium.
Not if Franklin loses to Temple too, it will impact on him no matter what, just as it can set back Narduzzi's rebuilding plans for more rebuilding time. Penn State Fans are prepared for a 6-7, 6-6, 7-6 season and say it will be 2017-18 as break out years.
His success will hinge on how the nits to against Ohio State, Sparty, Michigan and Iowa.
Agree totally, but an Extension is dependent on beating Pitt & Temple or one of the Teams above too.
The nits don't see Pitt as anything special.
Yeah, they said that about Michigan and Ohio State in 1993-1996 until they lost more games to them, then said it about Iowa and Wisconsin later doing the same, then moved on losing to Northwestern, Nebraska and MSU, and now the Big Ten Programs don't see Penn State being the 8th best Winning team in the Big Ten anything special since 2000?
Relying on Penn State myopic views is not wise at all, they thought Sandusky was innocent, and Paterno was framed even though not charged, and Paterno lost more seasons since 2000 then O'Brien & Franklin?
If he loses to Pitt but knocks Ohio State all will be fine in happy valley.
This is a fair comments but it will still upset the PSU Faithful and Meyer's is not going to lose to Penn State, that is pure imagination speculation fantasy, and losing to Pitt & OSU will hurt even more, is far more most likely.
They consider them their rival, not Pitt.
Yeah, they consider many things now, but the world view of Happy Valley is no longer respected, honored, and not a Happy place for anyone that has values beyond those PSU Myopic Views you proclaim!
I remember Franklin took the "just another game" approach with the Vols when he was at Vandy. So he hasn't changed his philosophy.
I don't think PSU can hang with Michigan or tOSU. They might be able to compete with MSU & Iowa. They aren't good enough to look past any team on their schedule.
I don't think PSU can hang with Michigan or tOSU. They might be able to compete with MSU & Iowa. They aren't good enough to look past any team on their schedule.
"TD_6082, post: 1562715, member: 510"]I remember Franklin took the "just another game" approach with the Vols when he was at Vandy. So he hasn't changed his philosophy.
Good Point, means Pitt's Coach Pat & Staff has it worked cut out for the next 4 years and up to them to prove they are Vanderbilt against the Tennessee Giant just like MSU has been doing to Michigan the last 9 meetings. I want it no other way and Coach Narduzzi is looking forward to the game just like Franklin looked forward to beating UTenn.Shoes on the other foot now for Franklin now that he has the program with more Resources just like UTenn & Michigan had in TN & MI!
I don't think PSU can hang with Michigan or tOSU.
Few can in the Nation let alone in the Big Ten? Paterno couldn't hang with Michigan or OSU either! Few at PSU think Franklin is better than Paterno so more salt in both wounds.
The Big Ten has tamed and reduced Penn State to a much lower Tier 7th-8th Winning Team & Sanctions made sure PSU is in compliance now as a Program. This makes it far harder on Franklin to rebuild and beat well established Programs with Top Coaches that still out recruit and out coach him?
The ACC has enhanced Pitt Budget Income & Stability and Pitt can rebuild more easily in the ACC Coastal than PSU win Big Ten East. Kind of like how Paterno built the PSU Program early on in Eastern Football until Pitt rise and Paterno started to play better National Competition but Pitt was doing that before Paterno and beat him to a NCS 6 years earlier. Joe benefited from Pitt rise just as Pitt is benefiting being in the ACC now.
They might be able to compete with MSU & Iowa.
Well, Pitt did that with Iowa last year 27-24 and only MSU gave Iowa a better game? Iowa just gave Ferentz an Extension until 2026 today, Franklin is still waiting on an Extension?
They aren't good enough to look past any team on their schedule.
Neither is Pitt to be honest and all year long! Both have to show they win 9 & 10 games?
Penn State Toughest 2016:
#2OSU,
#5Michigan,
#17Iowa,
#19MSU,
Pitt Toughest 2016:
#3Clemson,
#25OKSU,
#26UNC,
#30Miami,
Penn State Tough:
#36Pitt
#48 Indiana
Pitt Tough:
#43Penn State
#50 Virginia Tech
Penn State Average
#61Minnesota
#72Maryland
#85Temple
Pitt Average
#53Marshall
#60 Georgia Tech
#68Duke
#97Syracuse
Penn State Below Average Teams:
#103Purdue
#115Rutgers
#123Kent State
Pitt Below Average Teams:
#120Virginia
#NRVillanova
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...state-impresses-jumps-to-no-2-behind-alabama/
Good Point, means Pitt's Coach Pat & Staff has it worked cut out for the next 4 years and up to them to prove they are Vanderbilt against the Tennessee Giant just like MSU has been doing to Michigan the last 9 meetings. I want it no other way and Coach Narduzzi is looking forward to the game just like Franklin looked forward to beating UTenn.Shoes on the other foot now for Franklin now that he has the program with more Resources just like UTenn & Michigan had in TN & MI!
I don't think PSU can hang with Michigan or tOSU.
Few can in the Nation let alone in the Big Ten? Paterno couldn't hang with Michigan or OSU either! Few at PSU think Franklin is better than Paterno so more salt in both wounds.
The Big Ten has tamed and reduced Penn State to a much lower Tier 7th-8th Winning Team & Sanctions made sure PSU is in compliance now as a Program. This makes it far harder on Franklin to rebuild and beat well established Programs with Top Coaches that still out recruit and out coach him?
The ACC has enhanced Pitt Budget Income & Stability and Pitt can rebuild more easily in the ACC Coastal than PSU win Big Ten East. Kind of like how Paterno built the PSU Program early on in Eastern Football until Pitt rise and Paterno started to play better National Competition but Pitt was doing that before Paterno and beat him to a NCS 6 years earlier. Joe benefited from Pitt rise just as Pitt is benefiting being in the ACC now.
They might be able to compete with MSU & Iowa.
Well, Pitt did that with Iowa last year 27-24 and only MSU gave Iowa a better game? Iowa just gave Ferentz an Extension until 2026 today, Franklin is still waiting on an Extension?
They aren't good enough to look past any team on their schedule.
Neither is Pitt to be honest and all year long! Both have to show they win 9 & 10 games?
Penn State Toughest 2016:
#2OSU,
#5Michigan,
#17Iowa,
#19MSU,
Pitt Toughest 2016:
#3Clemson,
#25OKSU,
#26UNC,
#30Miami,
Penn State Tough:
#36Pitt
#48 Indiana
Pitt Tough:
#43Penn State
#50 Virginia Tech
Penn State Average
#61Minnesota
#72Maryland
#85Temple
Pitt Average
#53Marshall
#60 Georgia Tech
#68Duke
#97Syracuse
Penn State Below Average Teams:
#103Purdue
#115Rutgers
#123Kent State
Pitt Below Average Teams:
#120Virginia
#NRVillanova
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...state-impresses-jumps-to-no-2-behind-alabama/
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"medixman, post: 1562652, member: 28301"]Both teams are talent deficient in a lot of areas!Two very mediocre P5 teams that fans think are better than they are.
True, but they are both young Teams too! Both Pitt and Psu have early challenges, more so Pitt with PSu, OKSU, and UNC, and PSU has Pitt, Temple, and Michigan. How both Teams Progress from Games 6 to 12 will be interesting.
My goodness if you couldn't see the huge difference in talent between the top teams that played last weekend and these two than go "see" Ray Charles's Dr!
I was at the BAMA-USC Game, USC is loaded with Talent but lacked coaching.
I wish the writer of this piece would of done a little research on the teams before writing but hey don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Why don't you put up that Factual Research and explain where you think the writer got it wrong? He is making a prediction not much more, and a number of Sports Media have said the same thing now? I posted it way back late last and early this year and they are backing up my opinion based on what I heard at PSU? If you have Facts over an Opinion post it and I welcome it? Again, all the Media does use the words "IF" Franklin loses to Pitt or Temple or goes 5-7 or worse?
Win or lose Jimmy is not on the hot seat and people who make the decisions aren't second guessing if he loses this one.
Franklin has no Extension and if he goes 4-8 or 5-7 won't get one? I realize it is tough call and many expect Franklin will win 6 to 7 games and still stays. But other Articles point out that will put Franklin on the Hot Seat in 2017. It is just an Educated Sports Opinion due to Franklin not being given an Extension???
You do know Harbaugh, Ferentz, Dantonio, Narduzzi, Meyers, Chryst, Riley, Rhule, Gundy, Swinney, all got Extensions last and this year? Only Holgrosen & Franklin are waiting?
It should be a good game but stranger things have happened in sports before.bwdik
It is good to see the Rivalry has been renewed for 4 years and that is under Franklin & Narduzzi Contracts. Gives both of them time to rebuild with their young players.
True, but they are both young Teams too! Both Pitt and Psu have early challenges, more so Pitt with PSu, OKSU, and UNC, and PSU has Pitt, Temple, and Michigan. How both Teams Progress from Games 6 to 12 will be interesting.
My goodness if you couldn't see the huge difference in talent between the top teams that played last weekend and these two than go "see" Ray Charles's Dr!
I was at the BAMA-USC Game, USC is loaded with Talent but lacked coaching.
I wish the writer of this piece would of done a little research on the teams before writing but hey don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Why don't you put up that Factual Research and explain where you think the writer got it wrong? He is making a prediction not much more, and a number of Sports Media have said the same thing now? I posted it way back late last and early this year and they are backing up my opinion based on what I heard at PSU? If you have Facts over an Opinion post it and I welcome it? Again, all the Media does use the words "IF" Franklin loses to Pitt or Temple or goes 5-7 or worse?
Win or lose Jimmy is not on the hot seat and people who make the decisions aren't second guessing if he loses this one.
Franklin has no Extension and if he goes 4-8 or 5-7 won't get one? I realize it is tough call and many expect Franklin will win 6 to 7 games and still stays. But other Articles point out that will put Franklin on the Hot Seat in 2017. It is just an Educated Sports Opinion due to Franklin not being given an Extension???
You do know Harbaugh, Ferentz, Dantonio, Narduzzi, Meyers, Chryst, Riley, Rhule, Gundy, Swinney, all got Extensions last and this year? Only Holgrosen & Franklin are waiting?
It should be a good game but stranger things have happened in sports before.bwdik
It is good to see the Rivalry has been renewed for 4 years and that is under Franklin & Narduzzi Contracts. Gives both of them time to rebuild with their young players.
"TD_6082, post: 1562337, member: 510"]I think the article sums up PSU pretty well. I think it was probably a little generous to us.
Really?
To describe our defense as nasty after the way they were carved up by Navy, and the way they played last year down the stretch is comical.
What is a tad comical is how you compare Pitt Defense last year and ignore they have another year under a system they know better now? Yet, you still make excuses for PSU OL that is still rebuilding, now that is tad laughable?
I saw a better Defense against Nova than I did against YSU last year? I also saw PSU OL struggle with Kent State DL? This is Coach Pat's second year as a Head Coach, and Franklin's 3rd at PSU and his 6th year as Head Coach? Don't you find your posts lacking some semblance of balance and Franklin has recruited in the Top 25?
Nobody will confuse our defensive personnel with Alabama or Auburn. We are still talent deficient in several areas.
So, is Penn State and that is what the Article was about you just misread some sections for the benefit to knock Pitt. When the Article knocked Franklin that you are giving his Third Year to make an OL and ignoring how he has been blown away in more games than Narduzzi, LOL!
Now that is comedy too???
Really?
To describe our defense as nasty after the way they were carved up by Navy, and the way they played last year down the stretch is comical.
What is a tad comical is how you compare Pitt Defense last year and ignore they have another year under a system they know better now? Yet, you still make excuses for PSU OL that is still rebuilding, now that is tad laughable?
I saw a better Defense against Nova than I did against YSU last year? I also saw PSU OL struggle with Kent State DL? This is Coach Pat's second year as a Head Coach, and Franklin's 3rd at PSU and his 6th year as Head Coach? Don't you find your posts lacking some semblance of balance and Franklin has recruited in the Top 25?
Nobody will confuse our defensive personnel with Alabama or Auburn. We are still talent deficient in several areas.
So, is Penn State and that is what the Article was about you just misread some sections for the benefit to knock Pitt. When the Article knocked Franklin that you are giving his Third Year to make an OL and ignoring how he has been blown away in more games than Narduzzi, LOL!
Now that is comedy too???
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Article sums up the situation pretty well.
Franklin goes down the frying pan just got a lot hotter like it did with the Temple loss.
No contract extension tells you all you need to know.
This is a bad game for Ped State - they got more to lose and less to win than Pitt.
"Milk Dud" loses the farmers will be out with their pitchforks.
I am worried about a Pig in the "Polk" on Special Teams and introduction of Sanders slip, slicing, and sliding away with Barkley holding no Ball as Pitt LBs miss the play?
"GOD"-"WIN" is not a Name I would bet against with a $10 Hamilton Legal Tender Bill, and those $100 Franklin's Sideline Coaching Counterfeits are now in Moorhead's Head, while Pitt is still learning the Plays and Words to "Oh, Canada"?
Here is some Wish-In & Hope-in that there is Big Sour Taste from PSU Offensive Lineman LimeGrowers that has 5 Times the Acid Value of one Lemon. If Pitt can squeeze LimeGrowers into Lemonade with some a Whitehead's Sacks, intercepts, and Fumbles as James Conner just runs for First Downs to keep Pitt on the GridIron all Game long....it could be a sign Pitt has arrived!
The Kicking Game is also what won 2 to 3 Games last year and lost 2 to 3 too? Missing Kicks against Nova is not a good sign of a consistent comeback after losing such confidence, it takes a lot to overcome those misses in the meetings of Blewitt mind? Pitt has been here before under many new coaches?
I have no idea what will happen and prefer "Oh, Canada" versus "Oh, Can You See" through OC's Moorhead's & "DC" Pry's Short Out Game Plans that will light up Franklin Hot Seat as Pants on any Nittany Liars still pining for Paterno?
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The two missed kicks against Nova were VERY disturbing.
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Looking in from the outside I get the impression Narduzzi is way more focused and in control.
Wonder how much Franklin has really "bonded" with the Ped State administration.?
"mbe 34, post: 1562823, member: 1738"]The two missed kicks against Nova were VERY disturbing.
Disturbing is an understatement before the returning of the Rivalry that needs 100% Focus & Determination and pressure is on both sides to win to rebuild a Top 25 Program.
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Looking in from the outside I get the impression Narduzzi is way more focused and in control.
I hope you are right, but we beat Georgia Tech by a late Kick, Cuse too, and lost the lead by missing some in other Games just when we needed them, to get the Lead?
I recall last Thanksgivings Comments when Pitt lost to Miami and Coach Pat said, maybe they ate too much Turkey? Then Navy sank the Pitt Is It Ships?
Wonder how much Franklin has really "bonded" with the Ped State administration.?
It won't matter so long a Franklin beats Pitt, they will Bond just Fine, if the Nits lose to Pitt, Franklin is on a Bubble of Pressure that could burst the season and in the same year, when all Honor JoePa's Return to being remembered at Temple not a Church or Mosque?
Disturbing is an understatement before the returning of the Rivalry that needs 100% Focus & Determination and pressure is on both sides to win to rebuild a Top 25 Program.
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Looking in from the outside I get the impression Narduzzi is way more focused and in control.
I hope you are right, but we beat Georgia Tech by a late Kick, Cuse too, and lost the lead by missing some in other Games just when we needed them, to get the Lead?
I recall last Thanksgivings Comments when Pitt lost to Miami and Coach Pat said, maybe they ate too much Turkey? Then Navy sank the Pitt Is It Ships?
Wonder how much Franklin has really "bonded" with the Ped State administration.?
It won't matter so long a Franklin beats Pitt, they will Bond just Fine, if the Nits lose to Pitt, Franklin is on a Bubble of Pressure that could burst the season and in the same year, when all Honor JoePa's Return to being remembered at Temple not a Church or Mosque?
Franklin is not going to be on the hot seat if PSU looses this game. That may be what some media outlets try to spin but 80% of the team is freshmen or sophomores. Maybe next years game but certainly not this one is going to affect that. PSU lost 12-0 16 years ago in one of the worst showing of a PSU team on the field ever - nothing happened then either. PSU does not fire coaches for lack of performance. If they did they'd have had 10 different basketball coaches, both men's and women's in the last decades.
Uh, I think there is a big difference between him and Paterno.
Ped St over paid jimmy franks and his results are average for that kind of investment. The fact that his contract has not been extended says that the BOT is not sure what to do with him. Paying 4.4M/yr for this is furthering the rumblings that their BOT is not effective.
This is hilarious - you're trying to compare Joe Paterno to Franklin? Paterno was never going to be fired for results. Although I agree I would be shocked if Franklin lost his job after the season, if he loses to Pitt and underperforms the rest of the season, I find it hard to believe the masses are going to be happy shelling out over $4M for his services. PSU has no loyalty to the guy as evidenced by the lack of an extension. It's put up or shut up time for Franklin.
Franklin is signed through 2019. Why would they offer a contract extension now?
We all know why Pitt offered Narduzzi a contract extension. It's a weak attempt to keep Narduzzi at Pitt when Dantonio retires after next year.
We all know why Pitt offered Narduzzi a contract extension. It's a weak attempt to keep Narduzzi at Pitt when Dantonio retires after next year.
Disagree, winning at Lane Stadium is a big deal...but if you're referring to beating a ranked team, this doesn't count either.
Why would D'Antonio retire? He has 4.7m reasons to stay on...
Ha ha ha - you all love that narrative about Dantonio don't you? Say that is true - does it hurt to have a coach who no one else wants? I'd rather have one that is in demand, but that's just me.
Generally speaking, most Universities attempt to keep their coach tied up for 4-5 years--unless they are on the bubble of retaining them. It is prudent finance for an important financial investment. Additionally, it also gives the coach some security as well as the ability to tell recruits he will be there for all of their time at the University, etc. As everyone knows these days, really does not matter how many years are on a contract...if one of the parties wishes to go another direction, there are plenty of options to do so. But letting a head coach get to three or under on an existing contract...pretty much says they must produce or the future does not look bright at their present place of employ. Hail to Pitt!
We're only one game into 2016. Franklin is under contract for 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.
Narduzzi got an extension after one year where he went 8-5. What kind of program does that? Franklin goes 7-6 his first two seasons with a sanctioned riddled team and you people act like he's on some sort of hot seat. I didn't realize Pittsburgh was located so far from reality.
Different institutions and their fans have different levels of expectations. At PSU football is all important above everything else. It's how a large segment of their Alums define themselves and their university. Even though PSU hasn't won a Championship in 30 years, the fans and alum somehow still consider the program to be elite and expect greatness. Pitt fans know our program has been mediocre to OK and are happy to have a new administration that seems more supportive of the football program and it's new staff.
"Big Fan, post: 1564278, member: 8004"]Franklin is not going to be on the hot seat if PSU looses this game. That may be what some media outlets try to spin but 80% of the team is freshmen or sophomores.
OK, but the Sports Media publishes it and that perception can become a reality and that is true too if they are talking about it.
Maybe next years game but certainly not this one is going to affect that.
This is a fair comment and why worry about now, let the game and season play out.
PSU lost 12-0 16 years ago in one of the worst showing of a PSU team on the field ever - nothing happened then either.
Hmmmnnn, they did try to get Joe to retire in 2004? We now know that was being covered up did lead to a firing?
PSU does not fire coaches for lack of performance. If they did they'd have had 10 different basketball coaches, both men's and women's in the last decades.
Well, new 2012 Reforms now makes sure that University Athletic Integrity Compliance's come first and now prevail over any Coach or Employee!
OK, but the Sports Media publishes it and that perception can become a reality and that is true too if they are talking about it.
Maybe next years game but certainly not this one is going to affect that.
This is a fair comment and why worry about now, let the game and season play out.
PSU lost 12-0 16 years ago in one of the worst showing of a PSU team on the field ever - nothing happened then either.
Hmmmnnn, they did try to get Joe to retire in 2004? We now know that was being covered up did lead to a firing?
PSU does not fire coaches for lack of performance. If they did they'd have had 10 different basketball coaches, both men's and women's in the last decades.
Well, new 2012 Reforms now makes sure that University Athletic Integrity Compliance's come first and now prevail over any Coach or Employee!
These nitwits and their coach have every excuse lined up just in case they fail.The sanctions......
Didn't take long for that to come up.
They acually believe because they lost 10 scholarships over a 3 year span hurt them more. Than Pitt's self inflicted wounds hiring 5 different coaches in 4 years. Yet, not once have i seen anyone from Pitt use that as a excuse.
Some of these wacko Ped st fans are completely out of their minds. Seriously, they are beyond help. The best shrinks in the world can't help them.
That's Why They Are laughed at around the Country.
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You are assuming Narduzzi wants it more but I am guessing that just ain't true.
Sorry the truth bothers you. Penn State had 46 scholarship players in 2014. They only had 7 scholarship offensive lineman when Franklin took over.The sanctions......
Didn't take long for that to come up.
You mean 3 years ago? Jimmy has had time but you over paid him so you are now stuck most likely thou next year. You have recruited well but you dont pay someone 4.4M/ to recruit only.....you pay that kind of money to win big. Suckers!
"KnightSlayer, post: 1564854, member: 10044"]We're only one game into 2016. Franklin is under contract for 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.
Narduzzi got an extension after one year where he went 8-5. What kind of program does that?
Well, excuse me, let the Lair educate you on answering your question.....It was Vanderbilt that extended James Franklin's after his first year. Here is a Link to make you Think better:
Oops, James Franklin First Year Vandy Extension Link:
Excerpt:
James Franklin, whose Commodores have already tripled the number of victories they had in each of the past two seasons, has agreed to a new contract extending his term and raising his salary as Vanderbilt University’s head football coach. “We have torn up the contract for James Franklin, and rewarded him and his family with a new contract with extended years and a substantial increase in compensation,” said David Williams, vice chancellor for university affairs and athletics, general counsel and secretary of the university. Franklin, a former assistant at Maryland, was hired by Vanderbilt in December 2010. In his first regular season, he has led the Commodores to six victories, making them bowl-eligible.
LINK TO THINK:
http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011/12/franklin-extention/
Additionally, many Coaches Contract often include Automatic Extensions even in after their First Years if they win certain Titles and it happen to OSU's Meyer's.
Excerpt:
Though his previous contract had an automatic one year extension kicker upon winning last year's Big Ten title (surprisingly his first at OSU),
Another Link To Think:
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...e-football-news-urban-meyer-2015-new-contract
Nick Saban Got An extension In His Second Year:
Saban, who is about to begin his third season at the helm of the Alabama program, signed an original eight-year contract when he joined the Crimson Tide in 2007 that was to carry him through the 2014 season.
LINKY DINKY For You:
http://www.rolltide.com/news/2009/8...rees_to_Contract_Extension.aspx?path=football
Les Miles Extension In His Second Year:
Miles has been head coach at LSU since 2005. LSU is 32-6 with Miles at the helm, including 22 wins in his first 26 games as coach, and won 11 games in 2005 and 2006. The No. 7 Tigers (10-2), whose two losses this season both came in triple overtime, will play Tennessee in the SEC Championship Game on Saturday
Link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3136391&type=story[
Franklin goes 7-6 his first two seasons with a sanctioned riddled team and you people act like he's on some sort of hot seat.
Well, Vanderbilt, OSU and Pitt obliviously felt their First Year Coaches deserved an Extension and LSU & BAMA felt the same after just 2 years???
I didn't realize Pittsburgh was located so far from reality.
Now You have to accept the reality of wondering why Vanderbilt felt Franklin was more valuable to keep after his first year than Penn State in Franklin's Third Year?
Looks like you just don't know much about Coaching Contracts either but that is OK you are a BWI PSU Poster and not many of you know about much learning over there since banning keeps you ignorant about facts and reality? Too much secrecy and silence that required sanctions we suspect?
Now go and sin no more.....and ask yourself why you got educated on the Lair! Now that is your new Reality is it Not? The NCAA, PSU, and Big Ten joint mission to change the Penn State Football CULTure among your Fans and Alumni to remain a World Class University under Athletic Integrity Complaince starting in 2012 is to be respected and admired!
After all, PENN & PITT way back in 1780s always provided Educated Alumni Professors to help our Younger Brother to go from a The Farmers High School to a College to an University by 1954!
You are welcome anytime to learn to share on the Lair!
Narduzzi got an extension after one year where he went 8-5. What kind of program does that?
Well, excuse me, let the Lair educate you on answering your question.....It was Vanderbilt that extended James Franklin's after his first year. Here is a Link to make you Think better:
Oops, James Franklin First Year Vandy Extension Link:
Excerpt:
James Franklin, whose Commodores have already tripled the number of victories they had in each of the past two seasons, has agreed to a new contract extending his term and raising his salary as Vanderbilt University’s head football coach. “We have torn up the contract for James Franklin, and rewarded him and his family with a new contract with extended years and a substantial increase in compensation,” said David Williams, vice chancellor for university affairs and athletics, general counsel and secretary of the university. Franklin, a former assistant at Maryland, was hired by Vanderbilt in December 2010. In his first regular season, he has led the Commodores to six victories, making them bowl-eligible.
LINK TO THINK:
http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011/12/franklin-extention/
Additionally, many Coaches Contract often include Automatic Extensions even in after their First Years if they win certain Titles and it happen to OSU's Meyer's.
Excerpt:
Though his previous contract had an automatic one year extension kicker upon winning last year's Big Ten title (surprisingly his first at OSU),
Another Link To Think:
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...e-football-news-urban-meyer-2015-new-contract
Nick Saban Got An extension In His Second Year:
Saban, who is about to begin his third season at the helm of the Alabama program, signed an original eight-year contract when he joined the Crimson Tide in 2007 that was to carry him through the 2014 season.
LINKY DINKY For You:
http://www.rolltide.com/news/2009/8...rees_to_Contract_Extension.aspx?path=football
Les Miles Extension In His Second Year:
Miles has been head coach at LSU since 2005. LSU is 32-6 with Miles at the helm, including 22 wins in his first 26 games as coach, and won 11 games in 2005 and 2006. The No. 7 Tigers (10-2), whose two losses this season both came in triple overtime, will play Tennessee in the SEC Championship Game on Saturday
Link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3136391&type=story[
Franklin goes 7-6 his first two seasons with a sanctioned riddled team and you people act like he's on some sort of hot seat.
Well, Vanderbilt, OSU and Pitt obliviously felt their First Year Coaches deserved an Extension and LSU & BAMA felt the same after just 2 years???
I didn't realize Pittsburgh was located so far from reality.
Now You have to accept the reality of wondering why Vanderbilt felt Franklin was more valuable to keep after his first year than Penn State in Franklin's Third Year?
Looks like you just don't know much about Coaching Contracts either but that is OK you are a BWI PSU Poster and not many of you know about much learning over there since banning keeps you ignorant about facts and reality? Too much secrecy and silence that required sanctions we suspect?
Now go and sin no more.....and ask yourself why you got educated on the Lair! Now that is your new Reality is it Not? The NCAA, PSU, and Big Ten joint mission to change the Penn State Football CULTure among your Fans and Alumni to remain a World Class University under Athletic Integrity Complaince starting in 2012 is to be respected and admired!
After all, PENN & PITT way back in 1780s always provided Educated Alumni Professors to help our Younger Brother to go from a The Farmers High School to a College to an University by 1954!
You are welcome anytime to learn to share on the Lair!
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