No I’m not…I’m saying you are cherry picking facts and using a narrow definition to say the program wasn’t as good as it was back then.
Perception vs reality - the brand
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This subject has obviously grown as a post, but I think you got this back to the original question; and I totally agree with you that Clemson & FSU have to be among the top 3 in the ACC each year to maintain a conference relevance. As for the others? Miami, Pitt, and maybe NC, NC State & VT, brand-wise, fit the national recognition "mold" for football.
If any two of those 7 mentioned teams played for the ACC Championship each year going forward, it would be ok; if either Clemson or FSU were one of the two teams, it would be great. If it were always Clemson and FSU, it would be akin to 'Bama vs UGA/LSU in the SEC or OSU/Michigan in the B1G as far as national recognition as a must see game
It's unfortunate that the last 6 ACC Conference Championship games have been lopsided blowouts. I think it'll be a much more interesting and close game now that there are no more Atlantic and Coastal divisions
2 major wins since 1950. None since 1982. Live with it. Facts are facts. You can't handle the truth obviously. We're done.
That's exactly it. For instance, the Gator Bowl's Pitt played in where they beat Clemson and South Carolina, Pitt should have been in one of the major bowls as it finished top 5. But, people forget there was only 3 at large "major" bowl slots, Sugar, Orange and Cotton. The Gator back then was the 5th almost major bowl. You usually had ND taking one of those 3 slots. Back then Oklahoma/Nebraska loser would go to one of those slots.
So we need to think badly of Pitt because we USED TO be a commuter school? And a new stadium is a bad idea.
Where did I say anything about Pitt being bad? My comment was about the size of Pitt’s fanbase.
Thank you, I didn't think I was stating anything outlandish or far fetched here.
Not even sure why, what would appear to be a Pitt fan (who knows for sure these days) would be so hell bent on putting down his own team so superficially anyway??
Who knows the internet is a strange place these days
GTs biggest obstacle by far is UGA
The Falcons don’t really factor in all that much
The entire state though has a ton of Dawg fans way more than Falcons fans.
Well stated!! Clearly he's either too young to know that or just doesn't understand!
GT’s biggest obstacle is academics.
It kills their recruiting.
Kills their ability to get transfers, which is particularly important for programs at their level.
And really hurts their ability to keep players in the now transfer free era.
Someone posted their course guide a few weeks ago. I'm actually shocked that GT is as competitive as they are with the available options.
And then imagine you’ve made a name for yourself. You’re maybe 1 year away from the NFL.
Why stay at GT doing that coursework for one more year? I guess if GT is running an offense so unique that you’re scared of learning and fitting into a new scheme in one offseason. But that’s probably not going to be the case.
So you transfer to an easier school for that last year. And now GT needs to land a transfer to replace you. But how many schools out there even have the the type credits that would transfer? That’s the problem either UVA or Duke had this past offseason. They already lost some of their 2023 transfers because they were academically ineligible due to the credits not transferring. And GT is that x 10.
It’s a brutal job to win at. And now they can’t even just go back to the option for a schematic advantage, because the NCAA has killed that.
GT: 1470 average SAT...that's the highest of all public schools in the US.
I was at the Pitt vs UCF in Orlando. I thought the stadium was pretty nice. I did sit in the box with food and seats outside and below the box. Also had a field pass which could have made me like the stadium more.
It amazes me that people would watch CRAP like this, I could understand if YOUR SCHOOL is in it, but if mine is excluded, I would find it impossible to care about and am 1000% I wouldn't watch a single game, I'd be watching Pitt/YSU on the CW Network while Bama was playing tOSU.
What I find HILARIOUS is I've heard Pitt fans say, if Pitt is left out of the BIG league, they'd lose interest and adopt a team in the BIG league to root for, WTF? it's unreal to me, I'm a Pitt fan, and it has nothing to do with what level they are, and if they're not at the highest level, then I won't watch any of the highest-level games. I'll watch Pitt games, even if they're playing CMU and W&J.
But you’ve said you don’t watch college football anyway if I’m thinking of the correct poster/avatar.
I do watch college football, I've probably watched 60 minutes of every Pitt game, from beginning to end going back to the 70s, a lot of the games I've rewatched, I've also attended maybe 100 in person, some on the road. Also, sometimes I might watch some other games, so to say I don't watch college football is false.
So, I suppose you care more about the level, watching Pitt to you is less important than watching the highest level of college football?
What does any of that have to do with people that just like watching college football?
“Sometimes I might watch some other games” is kind of my point.
You’re not the “college football” audience.
What would you choose to watch, Pitt in a lesser league or the top ranked teams in some super league if given the choice?
But that’s not the choice.
You’re asking why would anybody watch it if their team isn’t in it?
Lots of “college football” fans turn their tv on when the first game comes on, and fall asleep to PAC 12 after dark. And watch their team during that schedule.
You don’t. You don’t really even understand that mindset. And that’s fine. My only point is that you don’t understand that mindset.
I guess. the only people that I know that do that are in the nursing home.
If anyone has anything to do (you know, those of us NOT in the nursing home yet), they usually budget the time for their team only.
Well,
More people attend / follow major league baseball than AAA ball.
That is essentially where Pitt is headed.
I dont blame any Pitt fan for deciding to become say, an LSU fan. Or a Texas fan.
Much in the same way i dont fault anyone for being interested in the Pirates but could care less about the Indianapolis Indians.
Go ahead and blast away, but that is exactly where Pitt is headed.
Pitt. Hell, I watched Hackett and the others. If you're a fan, that's what you are.
You seriously waste 12-14 hours watching TV on every beautiful fall Saturday?
And it is the choice, what if Pitt is playing Akron at the same time Bama is playing tOSU, which ARE YOU watching?
My question is HOW COULD YOU become an LSU or Texas fan; the whole idea makes me want to vomit. I'm PITT4LIFE no matter what. So you're picking another team and dropping Pitt in that situation?
no matter where we are headed, no level of college football will be the major leagues. that is the NFL. the P2 may be the major league of college, but it isn't nor will never be the major league of football, it is minor league football with the attraction being your school affiliation, which AAA baseball does not have. I will always root for Pitt and watch Pitt. I may watch another college but have no vested interest in the outcome of the game.
Am I dropping Pitt?
No. I will continue to donate as that is important to me
But i am not interested in a league that is percieved as (and likely proven to be) second rate.
Id rather watch the best play the best.
I know you and i differ on this and thats cool.
Then you are not really a fan of Pitt football. You are a fan of the sport of college football, more than a Pitt specific fan. I'm a fan of Pitt football itself above college football as a whole. But that's cool, to each his own.
I agree, I'm a Pitt fan first, way more than a fan of the best quality football, if I'm watching Pitt play Rhode Island, I'm hanging on the edge of my seat for every play desperately rooting for Pitt, if I'm watching Georgia vs. tOSU I'm only mildly entertained and may turn it off, because I'll get bored because I don't care who wins at all.
For northern schools I think Pitts ceiling is every bit as high as a Michigan State or Washington. Meaning, they absolutely can get to and compete in a playoff. And they can absolutely be one of the big dogs in the acc.
I’m pretty confident in saying that we won’t see Miami and Free Shoes University to the levels of the early 90s again. VT too for late 90s early 00s. Clemson has reached it peak, which is incredibly high. I think UNC has a very high ceiling and so does GT in football.
The more Pitt churns out 9+ wins a season and continues to have its fans invest in the program, and am having the program produce remarkable talent at the pro level, and it’s advertised, you will see Pitts brand and perception nationally rise. If KP plays in the Peach Bowl they beat Sparty by 10-21. The more Pitt produces, the more perception changes. Heck I think Pitt is in a better situation from a football standpoint than it’s been in nearly 40 years. HCPN knows they can compete at the highest level. And I think the trajectory is evident that Pitt could start making some decent noise nationally. Further, they have such a perfect and clean and unique logo in script Pitt that it can catch on too in the market of people who just like the logo and follow the team because of AD and Pickett, etc. That’s value.
I’m bullish.
I’m pretty confident in saying that we won’t see Miami and Free Shoes University to the levels of the early 90s again. VT too for late 90s early 00s. Clemson has reached it peak, which is incredibly high. I think UNC has a very high ceiling and so does GT in football.
The more Pitt churns out 9+ wins a season and continues to have its fans invest in the program, and am having the program produce remarkable talent at the pro level, and it’s advertised, you will see Pitts brand and perception nationally rise. If KP plays in the Peach Bowl they beat Sparty by 10-21. The more Pitt produces, the more perception changes. Heck I think Pitt is in a better situation from a football standpoint than it’s been in nearly 40 years. HCPN knows they can compete at the highest level. And I think the trajectory is evident that Pitt could start making some decent noise nationally. Further, they have such a perfect and clean and unique logo in script Pitt that it can catch on too in the market of people who just like the logo and follow the team because of AD and Pickett, etc. That’s value.
I’m bullish.
Syracuse main problem is their recruiting area, base, football is a second or third for most players in the New England states.
I appreciate and respect your opinion but i will disagree with almost all of this.
I get it, you're not a real Pitt fan, you're a fan of the highest quality college football in a generic sense. to you it's not about loyalty or obsession for the blue & gold, or H2P, it's about wanting to see the best play the best, and if Pitt isn't in that group, you'll watch some other better teams play instead, that's fine, you're a casual Pitt fan, you don't bleed blue & gold, you're a fan of the sport as a whole more than the team the Pitt Panthers, you're the college football audience, I'm Pitt obsessed, and that's all good.
MSU and Washington made it to a 4 team playoff. I would not really say they were competitive in the playoff. But if TCU was able to compete, for one game at least, then I think Pitt could be able to.
And MSU hasn’t really been competitive with the northern recruiting power since then. Forget the southern ones.
