Phil Jurkovec
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The latter ability is increasingly critical. The bowl game proved that. But, he has to stay healthy, too. We need two, even three competent QB, and not be afraid to give them some PT when warranted, because no QB seems to make it unscathed through a season any longer.
The mental part of QB is much more important than the physical part of it. He has a lot to prove.
He has the OC who “completes him” here, unlike either of them… so he should be
The completion percentage; the interceptions; the injury-proneness; the fact that he throws the worst spiral I have ever seen since he came back from that hand injury; etc.
I truly do hope it works out, though. Aside from throwing into double and triple coverage way too often, he looked okay in 2020.
Accuracy, injuries, and reads. Just minor details lol. But overall I'm excited.
we are most likely never going to get another 2021 pickett-caliber QB in our lifetimes at pitt. first rd nfl qb talent comes along once in a generation, or less. Marino, Pickett, and well TBD.
with that said, we need to lower our expectations cause we are spoiled with what we had 2021. that was a rarity. but on flip side, we can and should expect better than what slovis gave us this last fall.
with that said, we need to lower our expectations cause we are spoiled with what we had 2021. that was a rarity. but on flip side, we can and should expect better than what slovis gave us this last fall.
I do like the “partnership” element between Cig and Jurkovec. Reminds of Kenny and Whipple and we saw the fruits of that in 2021. Here’s hoping we get even half of that with FC and Phil.
I see something like 2800 yards passing, 20 TDs / 10 Ints and another couple hundred yards on the ground with 3 or 4 more rushing TDs if he stays healthy.
Problem will be is it enough with the reloading that needs to take place on D? Probably enough for an 8-4 type season, but we'll need more to get 9 or 10 wins.
Problem will be is it enough with the reloading that needs to take place on D? Probably enough for an 8-4 type season, but we'll need more to get 9 or 10 wins.
There’s also a lot to like about his upside.
But there’s a reason why 247 only put a 3* ranking on him as a college player.
But there’s a reason why 247 only put a 3* ranking on him as a college player.
I would give my left arm for that type of production from him in a Cignetti offense. That’s 250 yards more than his best year in 2020.
Anything over 2,000 yards and I’d be shocked. Just keep the interceptions down to single digits.
Well, Slovis threw for 2400 and the team threw for 2900 (including the bowl game), so I don't think it's that far fetched.
Our fans have convinced themselves that Pitt doesn't know what the forward pass is because a few know nothing loudmouths post the same thing over and over again. They were a 55% run vs 45% pass team last year, and it's certainly understandable to me why they were run heavy.
We were 93rd in the country in passing play percentage, and there were only 13 P5 teams below us (including Notre Dame).
Last season, we were 27th. So inevitably, with it being our best season in 40 years, there is going to be some resentment for this offense having returned to a run-first philosophy.
Geez, your numbers are right. 2400 yards and he was 73rd in passing yards. I need to raise that yardage production up for my expectations.
How about 2500 yards and 17+ tds sound? I’m excited to see hiM play.
Doesn't take a genius to realize the 2022 offense wasn't equipped to throw the ball like the 2021 offense.
That's not really what I was saying.
When people see a 55/45 spilt toward the pass in an offense that is good juxtaposed with a 45/55 split in an offense that is not good, they're going to be inclined the pine for the former.
I just hope that if he is playing poorly and we are down to teams we should be beating that there is no hesitation in replacing him rather than just taking the loss.
The whole thread is comical. I mean, will he stay healthy? That is simply the only question. This board was in full blow up mode that we didnt land him out of high school. We had one year of a good Kenny Pickett, and then Slovis last year. To me, there is no comparison here, he is far better than Slovis. The upside is great, not only for his qbing potential, but if he has a very good year, it is awesome for local high school talent to show yet again another case of 'why go and be mediocre elsewhere and not be a hometown here now' ala Devonshire.
He is going to be playing his 6th season of college football, he is mature, knows what he is doing, and will be solid. Will he throw for 4000 yards and 40 tds? No, I doubt it since we dont have the receivers (yet), but I feel pretty confident he wont lose games for us
He is going to be playing his 6th season of college football, he is mature, knows what he is doing, and will be solid. Will he throw for 4000 yards and 40 tds? No, I doubt it since we dont have the receivers (yet), but I feel pretty confident he wont lose games for us
I’m excited, partially because we now seem to have a backup with much higher upside.
Good post. The only thing I’d add is that there are so many variables that go into success. Look at the Pitt hoops team. Who would have predicted the success they’ve had to date with the transfers ?
On the FB side we don’t know if Wayne will be back. How much of and improvement the existing WR will make or even if a transfer will come in and make a difference.
Who on this board predicted KPs breakout season.? I’ll be honest I didn’t. Prior to his senior year I never would have imagined him being drafted in the first three rounds let alone a first round pick
Having said that IMO I agree that he should be a significant improvement over slovis. His mobility alone will make a huge difference
I'm saying if these people can't distinguish between one team with Pickett & Addison vs another with Slovis and Bub Means, they're pretty dumb.
Yeah, this past year's team wasn't as well-equipped to throw the ball as often. I'm speaking more in generalities. Analytically, structuring your team to be able to throw the ball a lot makes sense. Unless you can pull off piecing together an o-line like Michigan has or something.
I know I'm dying on this hill, but I still insist that Means and Mumpfield are talented. It was a complex task learning that offense (including learning all receiving positions), and I'm not claiming that they were always in the right sports (although Slovis certainly missed some reads). But I think they're good receivers, and I hope that will be on display in 2023.
I'll be honest, I don't care what it takes, I'd like to see Pitt win 9 or 10 games again. Run the damn wishbone if it works.
we couldnt even field a 4 WR set. when we had 4 wr sets, Vincent Davis was lined up as a WR.
i agree with your last statement, means and Mumpfield are going to be big parts of our WR in '23. i mean, they pretty much have too. even if we get Cephas eventually, even if miraculously Wayne comes back, those two will still need to be a huge part of our wr production..
the second year in the system should pay huge dividends. another spring camp too..
I didn't mean to slag on Means, just noting the difference that he's not on JA's level.
I think they can be good enough given the opportunity. We can see why Pitt went and goth them and they played last year over the other guys - Bradley ended up at Charlotte and Bardon at Georgia Southern.
for some reason, i think of Means as a poor-man's Jester Weah, which quite frankly, i'll sign up for. not sure his ceiling though but i do expect to see him produce more next year..
I think Means is better than Jester. Jester didn't do anything until he was a RS JR, which is what Means will be next year.
He actually does remind me of Jester Weah. Really big, physically-gifted dude who can run but probably isn't incredibly shifty. Suspect hands, and you hold your breath hoping there isn't a drop or a fumble every time the ball is thrown to him, etc.
If Wayne leaves, I suspect Means will even put up very similar numbers to what Weah did in his final two seasons. Maybe not the 10 touchdowns in one season, but at least the yardage.
Weah seemed only to have straight line speed and not much ability to run more than basic fly or post patterns. Though the speed was definitely formidable.
Means doesn’t seem to have that kind of speed but better ability to execute patterns.
For both, the catching consistency part was/is shaky.
I also believe/ hope that Mumpfield and Means are able to improve significantly this coming season. We certainly need them to.
Means doesn’t seem to have that kind of speed but better ability to execute patterns.
For both, the catching consistency part was/is shaky.
I also believe/ hope that Mumpfield and Means are able to improve significantly this coming season. We certainly need them to.
yeah, when i use the comparison, it wasnt an insult in the least. I actually liked Weah.. I dont think Means has the straight line speed (no Va tech jokes) but similar body build..
You seem to want to put the blame onto the shoulders of Slovis and Bub Means. Is it possible, just a little bit more then you'd like to admit that they weren't the problem and it was the OC???
Slovis and Means were new to the program and were going to be good little soldiers and play the game the way they were instructed to by their coach, the OC. Very similar situation to what Kenny Pickett and George Pickens find themselves in. They are both "rookies" and will run the plays they are told to run, they way they were told to do them by their coach.
Perhaps those people aren't as dumb as you think they are.
The offense was definitely too run heavy and big set heavy. Against the couple of teams per year where that works... fine. Do it. But we need to be more balanced and the pass game needs to be opened up more. There were games where 1st and 2nd down were big set formations, and then on 3rd and long they changed it up, where everyone knew it was a passing play. It was frustrating.
I guess the question is if Cignetti was so worried about Slovis, that he didn't dare open things up more?
