Phil Steele AP Top 25 Predictions, LINKS!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

After reading this article I decided to do some checking and found some LAZY SPORTS WRITER'S in "Tom Fornelli" trying to portray some future impact on AP Poll and the results for comparison are below reveal he did little research on a lazy day for himself to keep his job, I guess.

(MY COMMENTS BELOW HIGHLIGHTED)

ARTICLE & LINK BELOW:

As he does every year about this time, Phil Steele has released his projected AP Top 25 for the upcoming season, and it's no surprise to find the defending champion, Ohio State, on top. The rest of the top five is rounded out by TCU, Alabama, Baylor and Oregon. Now, it's important to point out that this poll is not Steele's personal preseason poll. He's just trying to predict what AP voters will do based on their history, and over the years he's proven to be pretty accurate. (THE LAST 5 YEARS I AGREE, BUT TAD OFF LAST YEAR WITH A FEW CLOSE AND NOT ONE RIGHT?)

2015 LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...es-ap-top-25-prediction-has-ohio-state-on-top

Here's Steele's predicted preseason AP Poll.
PHIL STEELE EARLY TOP 25 AP POLL 2015-16:
BIG TEN 1. Ohio State (MY PREDICTION TOP 4)
BIG-12 2. TCU (CAN'T BAYLOR & TCU WITH B12 CHAMP GAME?)
SEC 3. Alabama (HARD NOT TO PICK AGAIN TOP 4 CAKE OOC)
BIG-12 4. Baylor (MY PREDICTION KNOCKS TCU OUT PLAYOFFS?)
PAC-12 5. Oregon
BIG TEN 6. Michigan State (TOUGH CALL OSU OR MSU, OSU!)
PAC-12 7. USC (MY PREDICTION TOP 4)
ACC 8. Florida State
SEC 9. Auburn
SEC 10. Georgia (QB A SOPHOMORE CAN'T PICK HIM)
PAC-12 11. UCLA
SEC 12. Ole Miss
ACC/IND 13. Notre Dame (I LIKE TOP 4 CAN'T HAVE BOTH USC)
SEC 14. LSU
ACC 15. Clemson
PAC-12 16. Arizona State
ACC 17. Georgia Tech (WIN ACC CHAMP GAME IF BEATS ND TOP 4)
BIG TEN 18. Wisconsin
SEC 19. Missouri
SEC 20. Arkansas
SEC 21. Mississippi State
BIG-12 22. Oklahoma
NPC 23. Boise State
SEC 24. Tennessee
PAC-12 25. Stanford

There's nothing all that surprising here, but there are a few things that stand out in the prediction. And while it may seem strange to you that I'm about to analyze a poll that isn't real, but just a prediction, I want you to know that I completely agree with you. It is strange. But you know what else it is? It's May. So let's just do it.

The Big 12 is extremely top-heavy: Only one conference can claim two teams in the projected top five, (YEAH BY PHIL HIMSELF?) and for once it's not the SEC. It's the Big 12 as both TCU and Baylor check in. But after those two the only other Big 12 team to appear in the poll is Oklahoma, and the Sooners are at No. 22. (THE BIG FRAIL CONFERENCE?) It'll be interesting to see the way the conference is perceived heading into 2014, as just about everybody agrees that TCU and Baylor are good, but you have to wonder if they don't get an extra boost because of the fact neither were chosen for the playoff last season. (IT IS CALLED A CHAMPS GAME AND PLAY AND WIN IT BUT I PREDICT IT KEEPS THE BIG-12 OUT OF CFB PLAYOFFS AGAIN, WE SHALL SEE?)

Florida State is a question mark of sorts: One thing I noticed when looking at these rankings were that the Seminoles were knocked down to No. 8, and I totally understand why. Did you watch the NFL Draft? Jameis Winston was taken with the first pick, and then it felt like another Seminole was being drafted every five picks or so. And that means a lot of talent left, but look at the teams still above Florida State here. (ULOU HAD MANY DRAFTED PLAYERS AS WELL, PHIL?)

Alabama lost a lot of talent and will have a new QB, Baylor lost its starting QB, and Oregon has to replace the Heisman Trophy winner. Yet none of them really fall in the eyes of the voters. They all remain in the top five. This has to be a byproduct of everybody doubting the Noles all season long, even while they kept winning, but I just get a feeling that Florida State will be a much better team than that No. 8 ranking suggests.

The ACC doesn't have the best reputation: Speaking of Florida State, did you notice how the Noles are the only ACC team in the top 10? (YEAH PHIL GOT IT WRONG, LAST YEAR THE AP POLL ONLY HAD FSU 1ST & CLEMSON 24TH IN TOP 25, THE FINAL POLL HAD GEORGIA TECH 8TH IN THE TOP TEN, AND CLEMSON 15TH & ULOU??? MAYBE THE AP POLLSTERS AND YOU GET IT WRONG MORE OOFTEN THAN THE ACC BEING UNDERRATED BY YOUR GROUP OF DUMBASSES???

In fact, the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 all have two teams ranked ahead of Florida State, and the SEC has five teams ranked in the top 15, which is as low as you have to go to find the next ACC team in Clemson (unless you want to count Notre Dame as an ACC team, and I'm sorry, I don't). (WELL, LAST YEAR IT WAS EVEN WORSE BY I'M SORRY YOU AND YOUR AP POLL VOTERS AND I AM SORRY AGAIN, ALL OF YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG ?)

Voters still respect the SEC quite a bit: While Alabama is the only SEC team in this top five, there are still nine SEC teams in this poll. That's 64 percent of the league represented here, with both Arkansas and Tennessee entering the fray despite the fact they went a combined 14-12 last year. But I get it. Arkansas was a much better team than its 7-6 mark indicated, and Tennessee has a lot of talent coming back with plenty of experience. Frankly, whether they deserve it or not, I think Steele may be underestimating where the Vols begin next year. (WELL, SEC DOES RULE WITH BEING THE CONFERENCE WITHOUT A "FRESHMEN ELIGIBILITY RULE" AND ROSTERS OVER 150 PLAYERS ON AVERAGE?)

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Now Let’s Look How Phil Actually Did Against His The Top 25 Preseason Predictions Versus Top 25 Ap Final Poll Results.....That Tommy Fornelli Bragged About??? Phil did not get one right prediction right last year???

PHIL'S TOP 25 AP PRESEASON 2014-15 Verses FINAL AP POLL:
1. FSU 5. Florida State (13-1)
2. Alabama 4. Alabama (12-2)
3. Oregon 2. Oregon (13-2) Close!
NO RANKING OF 3. TCU (12-1)
4. Auburn 22. Auburn (8-5)
5. Oklahoma NO FINAL AP RANKING
6. Ohio State 1. Ohio State (14-1) -- 59 first-place votes
7. UCLA 10. UCLA (10-3)
8. Michigan State 5. Michigan State (11-2)
NO RANKING OF 8. Georgia Tech (11-3)
9. Baylor 7. Baylor (11-2)
10. South Carolina NO FINAL AP RANKING
11. Georgia 9. Georgia (10-3)
NO RANKING OF 11. Mississippi State (10-3)
12. Stanford NO FINAL AP RANKING
NO RANKING OF 12. Arizona State (10-3)
13. LSU NO FINAL AP RANKING
14. USC 20. USC (9-4)
15. Notre Dame NO FINAL AP RANKING
16. Clemson 15. Clemson (10-3) Close!
NO AP RANKING 16. Boise State (12-2)
17. Wisconsin 13. Wisconsin (11-3)
18. Missouri 14. Missouri (11-3)
NO AP RANKING 18. KSU (9-4)
19. Texas A&M NO FINAL AP RANKING
NO AP RANKING 19. Arizona (10-4)
20. Ole Miss 17. Ole Miss (9-4)
21. Texas NO FINAL AP RANKING
NO AP RANKING 21. Utah (9-4)
22. Washington NO FINAL AP RANKING
23. North Carolina
NO AP RANKING 23. Marshall (13-1)
24. UCF 24. Louisville (9-4)
25. Louisville 25. Memphis (10-3) Close!
LINK:
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2014/projecting-preseason-ap-top-25-phil-steele/

FINAL AP Top 25 2015:
1. Ohio State (14-1) -- 59 first-place votes
2. Oregon (13-2)
3. TCU (12-1)
4. Alabama (12-2)
5. Florida State (13-1)
5. Michigan State (11-2)
7. Baylor (11-2)
8. Georgia Tech (11-3)
9. Georgia (10-3)
10. UCLA (10-3)
11. Mississippi State (10-3)
12. Arizona State (10-3)
13. Wisconsin (11-3)
14. Missouri (11-3)
15. Clemson (10-3)
16. Boise State (12-2)
17. Ole Miss (9-4)
18. Kansas State (9-4)
19. Arizona (10-4)
20. USC (9-4)
21. Utah (9-4)
22. Auburn (8-5)
23. Marshall (13-1)
24. Louisville (9-4)
25. Memphis (10-3)
LINK:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/1/seasontype/3

Appreciate All Corrections:

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Me sense and smells some "stealing" from Phil Steele, and I do not mean the "Pittsburgh Stealers"!LOL!

NATIONAL CHAMPS.COM VERSUS PHIL STEELE:
EARLY TOP 25 PREDICTIONS
1.TCU 1. Ohio State
2. Oregon 2. TCU
3. Florida State 3. Alabama
4. Ohio State 4. Baylor
5. Alabama 5. Oregon
6. Baylor 6. Michigan State
7. Ole Miss 7. USC
8. Michigan State 8. Florida State
9. UCLA 9. Auburn
10. Southern California 10. Georgia
11. Louisiana State 11. UCLA
12. Boise State 12. Ole Miss
13. Utah 13. Notre Dame
14. Mississippi State 14. LSU
15. Arizona State 15. Clemson
16. Notre Dame 16. Arizona State
17. Georgia 17. Georgia Tech
18. Missouri 18. Wisconsin
19. Arkansas 19. Missouri
20. Arizona 20. Arkansas
21. Wisconsin 21. Mississippi State
22. Georgia Tech 22. Oklahoma
23. Auburn 23. Boise State
24. Florida 24. Tennessee
25. Tennessee 25. Stanford

LINK:
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2015/earlybird/index.htm

VERSUS

PHIL STEELE EARLY TOP 25:
Here's Steele's predicted preseason AP Poll.

1. Ohio State
2. TCU
3. Alabama
4. Baylor
5. Oregon
6. Michigan State
7. USC
8. Florida State
9. Auburn
10. Georgia
11. UCLA
12. Ole Miss
13. Notre Dame
14. LSU
15. Clemson
16. Arizona State
17. Georgia Tech
18. Wisconsin
19. Missouri
20. Arkansas
21. Mississippi State
22. Oklahoma
23. Boise State
24. Tennessee
25. Stanford

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You do realize that you have missed the whole point of what Steele is doing, right? Steele isn't trying to predict the results of the final AP poll. He'll come out with his own preseason top 25 later. What he has done now is to try to predict what the AP preseason poll will look like. It's kind of dumb to compare what someone predicts the AP preseason poll will be with what the final AP poll was, since the first one isn't trying to predict the second one. Is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

You do realize that you have missed the whole point of what Steele is doing, right? Steele isn't trying to predict the results of the final AP poll. He'll come out with his own preseason top 25 later. What he has done now is to try to predict what the AP preseason poll will look like. It's kind of dumb to compare what someone predicts the AP preseason poll will be with what the final AP poll was, since the first one isn't trying to predict the second one. Is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

I realize what he is doing, and it shows Phil was not good at that too, or do you feel otherwise without understanding the comparison?

It is the CBS Sports Writer that credited Phil for being accurate and Phil did say he would repost his Top 25 late to be fair, but Phil's Predictions of the AP Predictions were just as bad. But I still think Phil just used parts of National Champs.Com.

I am going on record to predict what the AP will predict and keep them for comparison as well. In any event, I will have no problem is re-posting them and showing how wrong I was also and that way you won't have to try and lecture what you think you know.

So you put up Phil Steele Top 25 just before the Season and compare them to the AP last week Preseason and you compare and show us how great he did in doing it since Phil was as bad as the Early AP Predictions which is what I posted, and you failed to understand that too!
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[Joe the Panther Fan]

The funny thing is that you apparently don't even understand what you did, let alone what Steele did.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

NATIONAL CHAMPS EARLY PICKS -
STEELE AP EARLY PICKS -
CSR AP FINAL RATINGS
EARLY TOP 25 PREDICTIONS

1.TCU 1. Ohio State 1. OHIO STATE
2. Oregon 2. TCU 2. Southern California
3. Florida State 3. Alabama 3. Alabama
4. Ohio State 4. Baylor 4. Georgia Tech
5. Alabama 5. Oregon 5. KSU
6. Baylor 6. Michigan State 6. Mississippi State
7. Ole Miss 7. USC 7. Missouri
8. Michigan State 8. Florida State 8. Auburn
9. UCLA 9. Auburn 9. Notre Dame
10. Southern California 10. Georgia 10. Arizona State
11. Louisiana State 11. UCLA 11. MSU
12. Boise State 12. Ole Miss 12. Utah
13. Utah 13. Notre Dame 13. Nebraska
14. Mississippi State 14. LSU 25. Tennessee
15. Arizona State 15. Clemson 15. Wisconsin
16. Notre Dame 16. Arizona State 16. Oklahoma
17. Georgia 17. Georgia Tech 19. Arkansas
18. Missouri 18. Wisconsin 18. Baylor
19. Arkansas 19. Missouri 19. UCLA
20. Arizona 20. Arkansas 20. Boise State
21. Wisconsin 21. Mississippi State 21. LSU
22. Georgia Tech 22. Oklahoma 22. Florida State
23. Auburn 23. Boise State 23. WVU
24. Florida 24. Tennessee 24. Marshall
25. Tennessee 25. Stanford 25. Michigan

Just missing Top 25 Georgia, Duke, Pitt, Iowa, NC State, Penn State, WVU, Illinois, Boston College, Texas, and Oregon.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The funny thing is that you apparently don't even understand what you did, let alone what Steele did.

Well, we are all here how you can explain it??? So far, you can't and if I am dumb as you say, and you are so smart, let's see you do it?

We will wait for you to show all of us??

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

SO PHIL GOT 24% RIGHT OF THE AP POLL AND BRAGS ABOUT IT?

ESPN, NATIONAL CHAMPS DID IT 3 MONTHS BEFORE PHIL STEELE AND DID THE SAME WITHOUT ALL OF PHIL STEELES BALONEY? AND YOU'RE OWN!

AP 2014 PRESEASON POLL:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/1
1 Florida State (57) 0-0 1496
2 Alabama (1) 0-0 1361
3 Oregon (1) 0-0 1334
4 Oklahoma (1) 0-0 1324
5 Ohio State 0-0 1207
6 Auburn 0-0 1198
7 UCLA 0-0 1106
8 Michigan State 0-0 1080
9 South Carolina 0-0 1015
10 Baylor 0-0 966
11 Stanford 0-0 885
12 Georgia 0-0 843
13 LSU 0-0 776
14 Wisconsin 0-0 637
15 USC 0-0 626
16 Clemson 0-0 536
17 Notre Dame 0-0 445
18 Ole Miss 0-0 424
19 Arizona State 0-0 357
20 Kansas State 0-0 242
21 Texas A&M 0-0 238
22 Nebraska 0-0 226
23 North Carolina 0-0 194
24 Missouri 0-0 134
25 Washington 0-0 130

PHIL STEELE 2014 AP POLL PREDICTIONS
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2014/projecting-preseason-ap-top-25-phil-steele/

1. FSU RIGHT
2. Alabama RIGHT
3. Oregon RIGHT
4. Auburn WRONG
5. Oklahoma WRONG
6. Ohio State WRONG
7. UCLA RIGHT
8. Michigan State RIGHT
9. Baylor WRONG
10. South Carolina WRONG
11. Georgia WRONG
12. Stanford WRONG
13. LSU WRONG
14. USC WRONG
15. Notre Dame WRONG
16. Clemson RIGHT
17. Wisconsin WRONG
18. Missouri WRONG
19. Texas A&M WRONG
20. Ole Miss WRONG
21. Texas WRONG
22. Washington WRONG
23. North Carolina WRONG
24. UCF WRONG
25. Louisville WRONG
Spring Blog • April 27, 2015
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Phil Steele's Projected AP Top 25

In each of the past six years, during the offseason, I have come up with a projected Top 10 of the preseason AP poll on my website. I do this by taking several different factors into account:

• Most AP voters usually look at a couple of criteria when they evaluate a team for the upcoming season. First, they look at the number of returning starters the team has coming back, particularly at the offensive skill positions. A team that returns its starting quarterback and a combination of its running backs and wide receivers, for example, is often more highly regarded than a team that loses its starting quarterback but returns its entire offensive line. Similarly, a team that returns most of its starters on offense but loses a lot of its defensive playmakers is usually more highly regarded than a team that returns a majority of its defensive starters but loses its skill players on offense.

• Another factor weighed heavily is the performance of the team in its bowl game, which is undoubtedly the lasting image that voters carry with them during the offseason. A team coming off a huge bowl win is usually more highly thought of than a team that is coming off a bowl loss, regardless of what its schedule looks like for the upcoming season.

• Also heavily considered is where the team finished the previous year. Naturally, those that finished somewhere in the rankings (Top 25) have a much better chance of being preseason Top 10 than a team that finished unranked last year.

Using these factors -- and a few others, such as strength of schedule -- I project the preseason AP Top 10 every year at the start of February, which in most cases is six months in advance of the poll's release. Now, as you all know, a lot can happen between February and August. That includes injuries, suspensions, transfers along with coaching decisions. Over the past six years, I have been very successful using this method, correctly projecting 56 of 60 teams (93.3 percent), including a perfect 10-for-10 again in 2014.

Before I go into the rankings, it is important to make the point that this is NOT my preseason Top 10 for next season, but rather what I am projecting the AP Top 10 will look like to start the season. If you're familiar with my College Football Preview Magazine, you will know that every year I tend to go out on a limb for a couple of teams in my Top 10, and this year will be no different.

Now, let's take a look back at my projected preseason AP Top 10 teams, which was first released as an ESPN Insider article on 2/13/15.

STILL WAITING JOE THE PANTHER FAN TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME????? PHIL GOT MOST OF THE SEASON WRONG AS AP DID!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You continue to compare what Steele predicted the AP preseason poll would be with what the final AP poll was, as if you don't understand that those are two completely different things. It took until your SEVENTH post in this thread to actually compare what Steele predicted the preseason AP poll would be with what the preseason AP poll actually was.

Now if you actually look at that SEVENTH post, he actually did a pretty good job. He got the first three in order. He got the right teams at four, five and six but got the order wrong. He got seven and eight right. He got the right teams at nine and ten but in the opposite order. He got the teams at 11 and 12 right, but in the wrong order. He actually got 13 right, even though you listed it as wrong. At 14-17 he had the right four teams but had three of them in the wrong spot. After that his predictions did get a little worse (as you should have expected in any event), but he actually did get North Carolina right at 23 even though you have it marked as wrong.

So was he perfect? Of course not. But then again the guy who actually had copies of both lists (that would be you) couldn't get it exactly right either.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

You do realize that you have missed the whole point of what Steele is doing, right? Steele isn't trying to predict the results of the final AP poll. He'll come out with his own preseason top 25 later. What he has done now is to try to predict what the AP preseason poll will look like. It's kind of dumb to compare what someone predicts the AP preseason poll will be with what the final AP poll was, since the first one isn't trying to predict the second one. Is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

Hello Joe the Panther Fan……Still waiting on your insight to explain to me what I don’t understand?????? IN THE MEANTIME.....Here National Champs Top Early 2014 Preseason Predictions and look how Phil Steele has them too, 5 Months Later? You can compare it to Phil Steals since you understand it so well, but afraid to explain it to all of us?

EARLY BIRD 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPS NOT PHIL STEALS:
2014 College Football Top 25 Preview
1. Florida State
2. Auburn
3. Alabama
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma
6. Michigan State
7. Stanford
8. UCLA
9. South Carolina
10. Ohio State
11. Clemson
12. Louisiana State
13. UCF
14. Baylor
15. Southern California
16. Texas A&M
17. Missouri
18. Georgia
19. Ole Miss
20. Notre Dame
21. Duke
22. Louisville
23. Florida
24. Nebraska
25. Arizona State
LINK:
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2014/earlybird/index.htm

HOW ACCURATE IS THE EARLY BIRD PREVIEW?
Extremely accurate.....When measuring the Early Bird Preview that comes out every season, how close have we come to predicting what the AP Poll releases in August? Very close! In six of the last ten years, the Early Bird Preview has nailed 9 out of the Top 10 teams. Only twice in 11 preseasons have we scored less than 8 out of 10. The two aspects that change the poll are players that declare early for the NFL and the bowl game results. But neither has proven to drastically change the rankings. So scoff away at this poll being way too early, but the precision is well reflected. The depth charts are extremely accurate (we even log the number of starts for each player) and this is what makes the predicting so easy. HMMNNN WONDE IF PHIL STEELE LOOKS AT THIS DATA 5 MONTHS BEFORE HIS OWN AND THEY GET 9 OUT OF 10 RIGHT LIKE PHIL STEALS???
Go To Link Look Last Ten Years:
LINK:
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2015/earlybird/close_call.htm

EARLY BIRD 2015 NOT PHIL STEALS?
2015 College Football Top 25 Preview:
1.TCU
2. Oregon
3. Florida State
4. Ohio State
5. Alabama
6. Baylor
7. Ole Miss
8. Michigan State
9. UCLA
10. Southern California
11. Louisiana State
12. Boise State
13. Utah
14. Mississippi State
15. Arizona State
16. Notre Dame
17. Georgia
18. Missouri
19. Arkansas
20. Arizona
21. Wisconsin
22. Georgia Tech
23. Auburn
24. Florida
25. Tennessee
LINK: EARLY BIRD TOP 25 25 2015:
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2015/earlybird/index.htm

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The funny thing is that you apparently don't even understand what you did, let alone what Steele did.

......Still waiting for you to explain.....Oh my Goodness, look at this ESPN was able to predict the AP Top Ten 3 months before Phil Steals????? How can this be, only you on the Lair and Phil Steele could understand what he is doing even though Phil told us how he does it as I posted his ANALysis unlike you’re own, but you ran away like a Frighten Puppy???? LOL!

ESPN TOP 2014-15 Football Presseason predictions 3 Months ahead of Phil Steals predicting of the AP Poll, and National Champs.Com beating ESPN too with the same Predictions as Phil Steele??? National Champions puts there out on Thanksgivings about 6 weeks before ESPN, and 5 Months ahead of Phil Steele?

As stated, you never got my point I made earlier on Cook, BabbleBaloney, and Phil Steals, these lazy Sports Writers are too dumb, slow and lazy to do a better job, and you defended Phil Steals that looks like he copied them as I proved by showing the other Early Picks???? With his so0called great techniques???
My point is they all got the season wrong by the Final AP Poll even worse and you were too stupid to see it and thought otherwise? Do you understand now Joe The Panther Fan? Anyone can put up a Presseason Poll and I did my own and will stand by it and you can do it too, but so far nothing from you???

The ESPN Way-Too-Early Preseason Top 25 2014 Poll:
1. Florida State Seminoles
2. Alabama Crimson Tide
3. Oregon Ducks
4. Stanford Cardinal
5. Auburn Tigers
6. Michigan State Spartans
7. UCLA Bruins
8. Oklahoma Sooners
9. Ohio State Buckeyes
10. LSU Tigers
11. Georgia Bulldogs
12. Baylor Bears
13. South Carolina Gamecocks
14. USC Trojans
15. Wisconsin Badgers
16. Texas A&M Aggies
17. North Carolina Tar Heels
18. Clemson Tigers
19. Washington Huskies
20. Ole Miss Rebels
21. Iowa Hawkeyes
22. Arizona State Sun Devils
23. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
24. UCF Knights
25. Florida Gators

Hmmnnnn…Phil Steele’s And 3 Month Earlier Predictions Look Very Close?

The ESPN Way-Too-Early Preseason Top 25 2015 Poll:
1. Ohio State Buckeyes
2. TCU Horned Frogs
3. Oregon Ducks
4. Auburn Tigers
5. USC Trojans
6. Baylor Bears
7. Alabama Crimson Tide
8. Michigan State Spartans
9. Georgia Bulldogs
10. Clemson Tigers
11. UCLA Bruins
13. Arizona Wildcats
14. Ole Miss Rebels
15. Florida State Seminoles
16. LSU Tigers
17. Wisconsin Badgers
18. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
19. Arizona State Sun Devils
20. Tennessee Volunteers
21. Arkansas Razorbacks
22. Boise State Broncos
23. Stanford Cardinal
24. Missouri Tigers
25. Louisville Cardinals

Link:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10246704/florida-state-leads-2014-way-too-early-top-25-rankings

The Data is all there now so you compare as well all, I put mine own up, and will look at in August too and Repost both against Early bird, steals, ESPN and AP Pre & Post Season!

Still waiting on your reply to explain it to me, but so far, you seem to be hiding or can't do it?

Fortune Tellers are Frauds By Actin As Profits" Just like Sport Writers that claim they can do other things but never do it or prove it?

The Only Poll that counts is the Final Poll and those profits you thought you understood only judge their Top Ten and you fall it and tell me I don't understand and then run away? Now put your own Top 25 up, I trust you will do just as well as Phil Steals Top Ten AP picks now and in august.

How do I know that? Because I read your post here and they are just as good with insight as Phil Steals and fact not just a compliment.
Go and sin no more!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

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QUOTE="Joe the Panther Fan, post: 112611, member: 278"]You continue to compare what Steele predicted the AP preseason poll would be with what the final AP poll was, as if you don't understand that those are two completely different things.

No misuderstood from the start, they are not, all those Preseason Predictions from Thanksgiving to April are nothing but fluff only Dummies fall for, and to fill space for Sports Writers have something to do. Bookies will tell you that and no one relies on those predictions, not even Phil, ESPN, or National Champs, they all caution it just Early and they all change them in August just a tad. And they are mostly wrong in August as well. If you believe otherwise you lack such insight not me! This is just self-promotion from Sports Websites and Magazines?

It took until your SEVENTH post in this thread to actually compare what Steele predicted the preseason AP poll would be with what the preseason AP poll actually was.

Bullship, I posted right after you and it is right there for all to see, I understood it was about Predicting the "Early AP Poll Predictions" and you still responded “It was Funny “so you now outright lie? Go back and read your posts and mine?

Furthermore, in your own posts we all can see, I put all that data up to show I did understand what was meant by your own meaningless posts and Phil Steals Predicting was as easy as ESPN, Early Bird and AP!

You thought I did not understand it, but how I did I post that info before you tried to explain it? It took time to find and post the links so everyone can see, my Data Links proves Phil Steals early info is like many others & gets little of value right in the Final AP Poll!

Now if you actually look at that SEVENTH post, he actually did a pretty good job. He got the first three in order.

WOW, HOW DID PHIL DO WITH THE TOP 25? How far off was ESPN and Early Bird? Now you are funny are you not?

He got the right teams at four, five and six but got the order wrong. He got seven and eight right.

Early Bird with my Links have gotten 8 of 10 right and mostly 9 of 10 Right the last Ten Years…NOW YOU LOOK MORE STUPID DO YOU NOT?

He got the right teams at nine and ten but in the opposite order.

ESPN was not that far off and 3 months before Phil Steals, and Early Bird in 2014 and 2015 does it 5 months ahead of Phil Steals??? So what is that you claim to understand again?

He got the teams at 11 and 12 right, but in the wrong order. He actually got 13 right, even though you listed it as wrong. At 14-17 he had the right four teams but had three of them in the wrong spot.

Hmmnnn. You use the word WRONG more than Right above? Did you do the same ANALysis on Early Bird and ESPN???

After that his predictions did get a little worse (as you should have expected in any event), but he actually did get North Carolina right at 23 even though you have it marked as wrong.

But Phil does not talk about his Top 25 being so right, he talks about his Top Ten, guess what, Early Bird and ESPN are just as nearly accurate and far ahead of Phil Steals by months? Bottom line, they all got the Final Polls More Wrong!

So was he perfect? Of course not. But then again the guy who actually had copies of both lists (that would be you) couldn't get it exactly right either.[/QUOTE]

This is what I have been saying all along and none of these Profits are that accurate when it comes to predicting the Final Polls, and I knew that and you said otherwise and now can see, what you can’t understand. So you are wrong even more than me, and I put my own up, for this season, do the same, but Phil Steals is laughed at by every Bookie in the nation, and only dummies follow his predictions, because that info is so old, before game time, inly another dummy would defend it? Now you did learned something!

When I was involved with a Radio Station, Phil Steals called and offered Free Magazine give away to promote the sale of his magazine. He then sent the winners that won by just calling in a Bookmakers weekly Betting Guides on Football Games and was paid for that listings and piece too! Anyone buying and swearing by a Publication 3 to 5 months old on Game Day is exactly what Bookies love to quote because they win if you lose.

Anybody and I am sorry if it applies to you, right now, that there is some significant inside information of getting 8 to 9 Top Ten Teams listed in April knows so much more than someone that knows how this business works is just naïve and foolish to try and defend nonsense info as you did here! Even Stassen gets a piece from Phil steals when he mentions his Magazine and both are from Ohio. BTW, the station we bought was in Ohio and we know Bullship from what you think you know?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I realize what he is doing, and it shows Phil was not good at that too, or do you feel otherwise without understanding the comparison?

It is the CBS Sports Writer that credited Phil for being accurate and Phil did say he would repost his Top 25 late to be fair, but Phil's Predictions of the AP Predictions were just as bad. But I still think Phil just used parts of National Champs.Com.

I am going on record to predict what the AP will predict and keep them for comparison as well. In any event, I will have no problem is re-posting them and showing how wrong I was also and that way you won't have to try and lecture what you think you know.

So you put up Phil Steele Top 25 just before the Season and compare them to the AP last week Preseason and you compare and show us how great he did in doing it since Phil was as bad as the Early AP Predictions which is what I posted, and you failed to understand that too!
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[CaptainSidneyReilly]

By the way, Joe The Panthet Fan You Outright Lied Saying I Did Not Understand Until My Seventh Posts. Here Is What You Said Too Me After My 3rd Posts And All Can See Them Sio Don't Lie Again? Now Don’t Respect Here On The Lair If You Got Caught In Lies As Pointed Out In Two Of Your Posts Now?

JOE THE PANTHER FAN:
"You do realize that you have missed the whole point of what Steele is doing, right? Steele isn't trying to predict the results of the final AP poll. He'll come out with his own preseason top 25 later. What he has done now is to try to predict what the AP preseason poll will look like. It's kind of dumb to compare what someone predicts the AP preseason poll will be with what the final AP poll was, since the first one isn't trying to predict the second one. Is that really such a difficult concept to understand?
4 Joe the Panther Fan, Yesterday at 8:51 PM


My 4th Response To You Not 7th As You Lied And This Clearly Shows You Misread My First Post Intent In The First Place And My Response Below Acknowledges Exactly What You Thought You Knew More Than My Posts And That Is On You: Highlights In Red to show What I understood you were thought what you were talking about?

My Response:
I realize what he is doing, and it shows Phil was not good at that too, or do you feel otherwise without understanding the comparison? It is the CBS Sports Writer that credited Phil for being accurate and Phil did say he would repost his Top 25 late to be fair, but Phil's Predictions of the AP Predictions were just as bad. But I still think Phil just used parts of National Champs.Com. I am going on record to predict what the AP will predict and keep them for comparison as well. In any event, I will have no problem is re-posting them and showing how wrong I was also and that way you won't have to try and lecture what you think you know. So you put up Phil Steele Top 25 just before the Season and compare them to the AP last week Preseason and you compare and show us how great he did in doing it since Phil was as bad as the Early AP Predictions which is what I posted, and you failed to understand that too!
CaptainSidneyReilly, Yesterday at 9:03 PM

So much for your misunderstanding of the very post and your lack of veracity here? Posts with times and dates can be a bitch when confronted by someone like you, or am I wrong since I mention way before my 7th posts you are talking about Phil Steele's predictions of AP Pols Predictions in my first response you're own misguided post you claimed I did not understand?

BTW, Posts on Rivals have limits on words character and I could not post all Info in one Posts. So it took time to respond to your post with other website's data showing their Presseason Picks before Phil Steeles and you can do an analysis of that Data, but my point is still from the start, this Preseason Prediction Data in November (Early Bird) of last year, January (ESPN), and April (Steeles) especially in the Top Ten is easy to predict and harder like you pointed out after the Top Ten!

But these guys and the AP are often way off when it comes looking at the Post-Season Polls in April & August and why College Football went to BCS System and then to a College Football Playoff

I don't need an apology, all can see what you lied about and don't know? Count the Post again and see my first post was about their predictions being wrong in April, August and proved he was just as wrong in January's last Poll?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Well, at least you are worth a good laugh. Since I'm on lunch break I probably don't have enough time to respond to all of that, but here are a few things.

In your first post you posted Steele's rankings and gave some reasons why you agreed and disagreed. Fine. In your second post you explicitly compared Steele's predictions of the AP preseason poll with the final AP poll, which of course are two completely different things. In your third post you compared Steele and National Champs predictions and because they predicted similar things decided that must mean that Steele was stealing their predictions. That makes absolutely no sense, because of course anyone performing such an exercise is going to have teams like Alabama and Ohio State ranked highly. because that's exactly what the AP preseason poll is going to have. At no point in any of those three posts did you actually compare what Steele had predicted the AP preseason poll would be with what the AP preseason poll actually was, which would be what one might think you ought to do if you wanted to talk about how accurate Steele's predictions were.

In your fourth post, the one after my first response, you say that you know what you are doing, but then you still don't actually make the comparison. Again, if you want to argue that Steele's predictions aren't very good at this point you still haven't posted the one thing that would allow people to see if that was correct or not. So my response was to point that out that you still hadn't shown the information to substantiate your claim. You then followed with your fifth post where you again compared Steele's and National Champs predictions of the preseason poll with the actual final poll results. Which again makes one wonder if you understand that you are comparing two different things.

Your sixth post was simply a comment to me. And then finally in your seventh post you actually posted the AP preseason poll, the one that anyone would need to see if they wanted to determine if Steele (or anyone else for that matter) had done a good job in predicting it. Note that in that post you claimed Steele got two picks wrong that he actually got right.

Then further down you post National Champs predictions and say that they got nine out of ten correct and that was better than what Steele did. Which is funny, because if you actually look at what that nine out of ten was it was that nine of the teams that they predicted would start the season in the AP top ten actually did. And by that measure Steele was a perfect ten out of ten. He didn't get the order right, but every team he predicted would start the season in the AP top ten did, in fact, start the season in the AP top ten. If you use the same standard that you did for Steele, namely that he get the teams in the exact spot they were in the poll, Steele got five of those right and National Champs got exactly two. So depending on which criteria you want to use, either Steele bested National Champs 10-9, or he bested them 5-2. Personally I don't think it makes much difference, since they were both reasonably accurate at what they were attempting to do, but your mileage may vary.

Oh well, that's enough for now. Lunch is over. Back to work. Maybe I'll post some more later.

 

[7Fielder]