Phila Inquirer-Settlement Records

[JED_72]

Sorry if this link was published earlier:

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...lets_sue_for_Sandusky_settlement_records.html

A coalition of media organizations, including the Inquirer and the Daily News, asked a judge Thursday to unseal court records surrounding settlements that Pennsylvania State University paid to accusers of Jerry Sandusky who said they told head football coach Joe Paterno or his assistants about their abuse as early as the 1970s.
"Public interest in these proceedings is immense," attorneys for the news outlets contended in a motion filed in Philadelphia Common Pleas Court. The information in the records, attorney Craig J. Staudenmaier wrote, "may shed further needed light on a matter that is of serious public concern - sexual abuse of children over decades by an employee of the largest public university in the commonwealth."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...y_settlement_records.html#2Hptrr4Js2zbvx0L.99

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Sorry if this link was published earlier:

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...lets_sue_for_Sandusky_settlement_records.html

A coalition of media organizations, including the Inquirer and the Daily News, asked a judge Thursday to unseal court records surrounding settlements that Pennsylvania State University paid to accusers of Jerry Sandusky who said they told head football coach Joe Paterno or his assistants about their abuse as early as the 1970s.
"Public interest in these proceedings is immense," attorneys for the news outlets contended in a motion filed in Philadelphia Common Pleas Court. The information in the records, attorney Craig J. Staudenmaier wrote, "may shed further needed light on a matter that is of serious public concern - sexual abuse of children over decades by an employee of the largest public university in the commonwealth."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...y_settlement_records.html#2Hptrr4Js2zbvx0L.99

It will be interesting to see if PS4RS, Alumni, Paterno's, PMA, Spanier, NCAA, Freeh, Trustees and Bagwell, Ziegler will call for the same demands to unseal all the Cases that were settled, and go further and have Penn State release them?????

After all, all they all want is the truth and full truth to help their cases or write about what really happen and when, by whom, and how it was ignored or how no one knew anything until 1998, 2001 and 2011?

Or the Court does it and watch the Headlines fly and blogs on Rivals too????

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

ruh roh, more squirming ahead.

 

[pittdan77]

It will be interesting to see if PS4RS, Alumni, Paterno's, PMA, Spanier, NCAA, Freeh, Trustees and Bagwell, Ziegler will call for the same demands to unseal all the Cases that were settled, and go further and have Penn State release them?????

After all, all they all want is the truth and full truth to help their cases or write about what really happen and when, by whom, and how it was ignored or how no one knew anything until 1998, 2001 and 2011?

Or the Court does it and watch the Headlines fly and blogs on Rivals too????

The fact that those who pride themselves on their unending search for the "truth" haven't tried this route at all. Pretty much answers your question, right?

 

[JHud986]

I think we all know the answer to this question:
ups does not want anything released/unsealed for fear of self incrimination of the
administration, political figures, and paterno.

that is the reason for the quick settlements.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The fact that those who pride themselves on their unending search for the "truth" haven't tried this route at all. Pretty much answers your question, right?

In part, but so much is in those Unseal Settlements and Penn State can't have it both ways anymore. Penn State thought by paying off the Victims after they analyzed the claims and it was all sealed they can move on and putting in 2012 Reforms.

Yet, they also thought look Insurance will cover our costs and losses defenses and we will file a Lawsuit to regain that coverage, but the Unsealed Documents now are part of that Lawsuit and open to discovery maybe if the Judge rules it that way???

The Insurance Company knew about the Bomb but it was the Bombshell dropped in the Media and at first Penn State Denial and then verified admission it happen in 1971, and now other years?

The Penn State Football CULTure "Wonder Why Boys" just helped caused their University, Football Program, and their Own Group Of Wonder Boys, possible far more collateral damage to Themselves and Civil Lawsuits, but possible continued destruction of Penn State University.

Sometimes in War one can drop a Small Bomb and the other side of fighters quit and go home knowing there is more and way Bigger Bombs are on the way???

The Media don't care about dropping Bombs just reporting on where they were dropped, who dropped them, and who became victims, and that makes them famous on the backs of many others, football program, university and legacies, the Wonder Boys thought they were saving?

As stated, in all Defamation Cases and Insurance Payment Cases the Truth plays a far larger role and Absolute Defense but not all is released at all, that is why Settlements happen as an alternative way to save costs of losing a war that can't be supported anymore.

The "Smart Wonder Boys" are packing up their bags and running away and now just seeing maybe something happen after all and it is all true and we were duped by slogans?

However, watch Clemente is my advice......Clemente is on video record and will be the Canary in the Coalmine Warning...."Smelly Gas Is Near", I told everyone I would be gone if anything I smell or find tells me someone knew before 1998!" Clemente is an honest professional.

On the other hand, The "Dumb Wonder Boys" like PnnyLiar, will just turn on the PSU CULTure Fans that left to save themselves, and will keep blaming everybody without looking into a mirror? They will come on Lair and if you notice already have many new Posters with less than 50 posts and they threaten many here?

I knew there would be many Books and a perhaps one Movie on this Penn State Football Scandal, but as Court Sealed Information becomes Public Information, I am staring to see a Netflix Series coming out for years not one episode? If not them maybe Amazon, HBO, and other Streaming! Once it is in Court Unsealed Documents, movies can be made without permission and covered by Insurance Companies.

Few know it, but no Movie gets made without first seen by lawyers and then covered by Insurance, and Insurance are risks adverse but deadly when they see they can make and save even more money!

The Bomb is dropped, now time to clean up the some Debris before the other comes down, this ain't going away, just getting bigger and the Egos are the problems now!

 

[JHud986]

Captain

Do you see Clemente changing his view on this matter?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

This is great news for PSU! They wanted to know exactly what happened and opening up records will help!

 

[billyberoux]

This is great news for PSU! They wanted to know exactly what happened and opening up records will help!

This is great news period. If Sandusky is truly the monster he appears to be, then everyone should have an interest in making every thread tied to this story public. If it tears PSU apart, great, if it proves Paterno knew nothing, great, if it takes down a few members of their BOT, great, but get it all out in the open. The more they play games with making public everything they've looked into, the more I doubt some of the findings.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The victims have to be excited about the possibility of getting to the bottom of who knew and when! They may actually breathe a sigh of relief after everything is in the open!

 

[Panther Parrothead]

The victims have to be excited about the possibility of getting to the bottom of who knew and when! They may actually breathe a sigh of relief after everything is in the open!

And yet, the Nit faithful continue to push for the JoePA statue to be returned.

 

[Saboteur]

Sorry if this link was published earlier:

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...lets_sue_for_Sandusky_settlement_records.html

A coalition of media organizations, including the Inquirer and the Daily News, asked a judge Thursday to unseal court records surrounding settlements that Pennsylvania State University paid to accusers of Jerry Sandusky who said they told head football coach Joe Paterno or his assistants about their abuse as early as the 1970s.
"Public interest in these proceedings is immense," attorneys for the news outlets contended in a motion filed in Philadelphia Common Pleas Court. The information in the records, attorney Craig J. Staudenmaier wrote, "may shed further needed light on a matter that is of serious public concern - sexual abuse of children over decades by an employee of the largest public university in the commonwealth."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...y_settlement_records.html#2Hptrr4Js2zbvx0L.99

Funko Harris not pleased.
Didn't he play for PSU in '71?

 

[pitt-girl]

I think we all know the answer to this question:
ups does not want anything released/unsealed for fear of self incrimination of the
administration, political figures, and paterno.

that is the reason for the quick settlements.

Well the PSU administration pushed for the quick settlements, but the PSU faithful feel differently that they were railroaded by a corrupt BOT and want everything out in the open. What's so funny is that the partial ruling published last week (which certainly wasn't positive for PSU) was met with such vitriol from Happy Valley. Seems pretty apparent that the only way they will ever accept this is if it exonerates Joe. Other than that, CLEARLY the truth isn't really "the truth".

 

[JHud986]

What was released last week will just be a tiny morsel of what is to come. the upser are in for a rude awakening!

 

[chethejet]

The truth was always to clear paterno. Unfortunately, that he was old, didn't understand the context and back then or it was a different standard will be found that legally they all knew of the potential of all this leading to one inescapable conclusion. That there has been a massive cover up of the football program led by Paterno. He knew from the get go that the propaganda of all things Penn State were false and self serving. Paterno was to his death a narcissistic pig who benefited both financially and emotionally from his house of cards called the Penn State way. The massive corruption was and is so massive in scope that it would take an act of congress and the full resources of all investigative assets to make a dent in PSU, Pa politics, Paternos partners and second mile pedophilia. The fix was in with the NCAA settlement and ending any further discovery. The powers will do everything to limit the exposure and personal damage.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

The truth was always to clear paterno. Unfortunately, that he was old, didn't understand the context and back then or it was a different standard will be found that legally they all knew of the potential of all this leading to one inescapable conclusion. That there has been a massive cover up of the football program led by Paterno. He knew from the get go that the propaganda of all things Penn State were false and self serving. Paterno was to his death a narcissistic pig who benefited both financially and emotionally from his house of cards called the Penn State way. The massive corruption was and is so massive in scope that it would take an act of congress and the full resources of all investigative assets to make a dent in PSU, Pa politics, Paternos partners and second mile pedophilia. The fix was in with the NCAA settlement and ending any further discovery. The powers will do everything to limit the exposure and personal damage.

This is why I'm looking forward to the ESPN's "30 for 30" that will eventually be available.

Normally, they would've already had it written, filmed, and aired by now -- but the fact that they haven't is telling me that they're doing a thorough investigation.

 

[Pantherman43]

Well the PSU administration pushed for the quick settlements, but the PSU faithful feel differently that they were railroaded by a corrupt BOT and want everything out in the open. What's so funny is that the partial ruling published last week (which certainly wasn't positive for PSU) was met with such vitriol from Happy Valley. Seems pretty apparent that the only way they will ever accept this is if it exonerates Joe. Other than that, CLEARLY the truth isn't really "the truth".

They only hear what they want to hear. You're 100% correct. If the information doesn't exonerate Joe or isn't pro Joe then it's met with such hatred towards everyone but the one person it should given to....Joe.

Joe is/was the ring leader of this whole mess. It was his program and his ego he was protecting. It's too bad he passed away and is not around to go down with the rest of his ship.

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

This is why I'm looking forward to the ESPN's "30 for 30" that will eventually be available.

What if I told you an entire town was so warped that the people forgot that football is just a game and some things are more important than slogans or a phony image?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

This is why I'm looking forward to the ESPN's "30 for 30" that will eventually be available.

.

That story couldn't fit into a "30 for 30". It would have to be a multi-part documentary.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

That story couldn't fit into a "30 for 30". It would have to be a multi-part documentary.

Correct me I'm wrong, but wasn't the story of the Miami Hurricanes football situation a multi-episode production?

 

[vinniep33]

Correct me I'm wrong, but wasn't the story of the Miami Hurricanes football situation a multi-episode production?

A puff piece produced by a Miami fan

 

[Panther Parrothead]

A puff piece produced by a Miami fan

I agree, but it was entertaining. They had quite a run, but got away with a lot of crap.

 

[vinniep33]

I agree, but it was entertaining. They had quite a run, but got away with a lot of crap.

Yes. Very entertaining, however unenlightening and biased.

 

[pittdan77]

The truth was always to clear paterno. Unfortunately, that he was old, didn't understand the context and back then or it was a different standard will be found that legally they all knew of the potential of all this leading to one inescapable conclusion. That there has been a massive cover up of the football program led by Paterno. He knew from the get go that the propaganda of all things Penn State were false and self serving. Paterno was to his death a narcissistic pig who benefited both financially and emotionally from his house of cards called the Penn State way. The massive corruption was and is so massive in scope that it would take an act of congress and the full resources of all investigative assets to make a dent in PSU, Pa politics, Paternos partners and second mile pedophilia. The fix was in with the NCAA settlement and ending any further discovery. The powers will do everything to limit the exposure and personal damage.

Joe didn't understand why he was being tossed under the bus and why the status quo wasn't working anymore.

 

[JHud986]

paterno thought he was still ruler of the kingdom. After the media got hold of the story, he
couldn't control the fallout and was thrown to the wolves by the powers that be at ups.
After all rats abandoning the ship worry about their own a**es first.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

paterno thought he was still ruler of the kingdom. After the media got hold of the story, he
couldn't control the fallout and was thrown to the wolves by the powers that be at ups.
After all rats abandoning the ship worry about their own a**es first.

I will be meeting with a few PSU People on PSU Reform Seminars and updates on current Lawsuits including the Clery Act. They are very informed and will provide good info from Seminar materials. By that time the Sandusky Post Appeal Hearing will be over as well and see where that leads or uncovers or ends?

I am told many changes from many parties on the way with the new revelations that will be examined over the next 2 months. It is finally dawning on many including the Paterno's the Penn State 2012 Reforms under the Freeh Investigations and Recommendations are evidence enough to cause why some settlements are best to end the continued Headlines that is a No Win for either sides anymore.

The more Headlines that will keep coming out is just more damaging to all sides and can effect plans to honor Paterno down the road and could be pointless. Millions are at stake now for Penn State University.

The other Sealed Victim's Records is something no one at Penn State wants to know now especially the ones that filed Lawsuits. They now realize such disclosures may not be the place to go or release after all. It will cause far more damage than any transparency being demanded and why there are good reasons not to release them.

The Victim Depositions are still kept Under Seal regardless, and to insist all details come out will cause more questions than any answers and the answers are the problems no one will want out over future months and years.

The best views is to tout the 2012 Reforms and show Penn State University is a Model and Center of Compliance and Child Abuse Protection and Counseling now, and the Penn State University Football Scandal is something that did need many corrections, reforms, and removal of many conflicts of interests, secrecy, and cover ups.

In addition, Penn State now sees it is better to settle with Insurance Companies as well and come to an agreement to get less than expected and have to understand no one ever gets everything they think they can by filing lawsuits.

The bigger problem now is the Media wants to see and publish Unsealed Records and the Legislature Statue of Limitation Removal or go back 50 years, are bigger problems for all parties. They can open bigger continuous negative horrible information mixed in with innuendos for cases going back to the 1970s for Penn State, Insurance, and all involved including those filed Civil Lawsuits.

It is by no means over, but what happen a few weeks ago, have shocked many PSU Alumni and Fans into realities that now show the best thing to do is to move on sooner now, and leave what will bury them in a Media Execution alone.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

No doubt UPS is sweating over this. Smoking gun is in the middle of the floor waiting to be picked up.

 

[pitt-girl]

I will be meeting with a few PSU People on PSU Reform Seminars and updates on current Lawsuits including the Clery Act. They are very informed and will provide good info from Seminar materials. By that time the Sandusky Post Appeal Hearing will be over as well and see where that leads or uncovers or ends?

I am told many changes from many parties on the way with the new revelations that will be examined over the next 2 months. It is finally dawning on many including the Paterno's the Penn State 2012 Reforms under the Freeh Investigations and Recommendations are evidence enough to cause why some settlements are best to end the continued Headlines that is a No Win for either sides anymore.

The more Headlines that will keep coming out is just more damaging to all sides and can effect plans to honor Paterno down the road and could be pointless. Millions are at stake now for Penn State University.

The other Sealed Victim's Records is something no one at Penn State wants to know now especially the ones that filed Lawsuits. They now realize such disclosures may not be the place to go or release after all. It will cause far more damage than any transparency being demanded and why there are good reasons not to release them.

The Victim Depositions are still kept Under Seal regardless, and to insist all details come out will cause more questions than any answers and the answers are the problems no one will want out over future months and years.

The best views is to tout the 2012 Reforms and show Penn State University is a Model and Center of Compliance and Child Abuse Protection and Counseling now, and the Penn State University Football Scandal is something that did need many corrections, reforms, and removal of many conflicts of interests, secrecy, and cover ups.

In addition, Penn State now sees it is better to settle with Insurance Companies as well and come to an agreement to get less than expected and have to understand no one ever gets everything they think they can by filing lawsuits.

The bigger problem now is the Media wants to see and publish Unsealed Records and the Legislature Statue of Limitation Removal or go back 50 years, are bigger problems for all parties. They can open bigger continuous negative horrible information mixed in with innuendos for cases going back to the 1970s for Penn State, Insurance, and all involved including those filed Civil Lawsuits.

It is by no means over, but what happen a few weeks ago, have shocked many PSU Alumni and Fans into realities that now show the best thing to do is to move on sooner now, and leave what will bury them in a Media Execution alone.

Cap'n - I read that the Judge presiding over the PSU lawsuit against their insurer just gave everyone an extra 2 months or so for discovery of these new allegations referenced in his partial ruling a couple of weeks ago. Are you saying that PSU has decided to drop the lawsuit?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Cap'n - I read that the Judge presiding over the PSU lawsuit against their insurer just gave everyone an extra 2 months or so for discovery of these new allegations referenced in his partial ruling a couple of weeks ago. Are you saying that PSU has decided to drop the lawsuit?

No, but after two more months and now that the Media wants to Unseal the information, it is certainly going to make many people involved with filing the Lawsuits and Defending them, to reflect on what their next moves are and especially Penn State that can lose millions, that they thought they could recover from Insurance????

It is important to know how Lawsuits and Pre-Trial Discovery and Judges with Counsels actually work. Right off the start the Judges sits both Counsels down and talks about the Complaints and sees is there anyway to resolve these issues with settlement to avoid even beginning a Trial. Most of time both Sides feel they are confident they will win and so Discovery starts and again issues comes up even in stages throughout the process.

Once again, a Judge will try and nudge both Sides into talking a Settlement. The Judge can do it a number of ways. He often will tell the Lawyers in Chambers look I am inclined to rule this way should this come up or he will do it considering each Sides Positions, and say can't you agree to a number? If not, you better consider whether you can prove this or that and it goes on throughout the Pre-Trial if not dismissed early on and then you see those and other issues discussed in Sidebar at Trial as well. There are also stipulations both sides agree to before a Trial. These stipulations can also limit what can be admitted and what can be avoided and again, Judges play a big role in those rulings as well.

The reason why this often happens in every county in Pennsylvania is to reduce the Cases that actually will go to a Jury Trials or Judicial Trial. Many cases are filed and looked at every year and most post-pone until these issues are resolved but it is expensive to put on Trials. So, Judges try to get both sides to settle in a Civil Lawsuit and Plead in a Criminal Trial, before any Scheduled Trial Date. Even during Civil or Criminal Trials there can be a Settlement or Plead, by either side even before a minute before a Verdict, if both Sides agree.

So, to answer your question, it has been 5 Long years since many of these Criminal Charges and in the case of Sandusky his Convictions, as well as Civil Lawsuits coming from the Penn State Football Scandal.

Now that all Parties know that once some Evidence, Notes, and Reports are admitted or omitted, or sealed or unsealed, there is also that Public Media Publicity that will report sensational information as it comes out.

This was witnessed last two weeks and and even then one side still thinks they can win a verdict and get damages? But that too is subject to Appeal especially Insurance Cases. In Defamation Cases one can win a Verdict too, and still lose if that information is damaging enough to Publicly Embarrass even the side that wins, because they can lose in the Court of Public Opinion, on horrible Information they did not know existed either until it came out at Pre-Trial or at Trial?

The Judge is allowing 45 Days to explore what other Evidence they can check upon, or find out and then he will rule what can and cannot admitted, stipulated, or omitted, and this does not just affect the PSU-PMA Lawsuit it can affect all others in other courts like the Paterno-NCAA-Freeh-PSU Lawsuit?

So, what all parties are starting to see now, do they go forward and then see more Headlines that can embarrass each other, or is it better to settle now and move on to putting it all behind them. I stated a while ago and your responded to my blog? Many wanted Transparency and demanded Transparency and they now have to deal with what if that Transparency is something they did not know happen, and no longer want it out, but worse the Media wants it now????

It was terrible week for all that loved and did business or filed a Lawsuit for or against Penn State University. They went through another week of Scandal, Innuendo, and looking for all of the Truth........but they may regret finding all of the truth in their march towards transparency.

After all, it was reported many times it was the nature of the Penn State Football Program to keep secrets, closed practices, challenge media, arrests or accusations, discipline players not as student but as special athletes with special treatment not consistent with Judicial Affairs Rule, Laws, and Regulations, and told not to cooperate with outside Legal Authorities, No Code of Athletic Conduct and many other Conflicts of Interests in Athletic Related Business Dealing that even the Trustees passed on themselves to prevent from happening again.

How do we know some or much that happen?????.....The Penn State Reforms of 2012 that corrected those errors, mistakes and cover-ups under The Freeh Report 119 Recommendations and 116 Implemented under a NCAA Monitor and New Reformed Office of Ethics and Compliance with an Athletic Integrity Officer and none reporting to the Athletic Director or any Coach in any Sport anywhere at Penn State anymore? Those Reforms are now Models for all Universities and not going to be revoked, rescinded, or removed.

Now that all parties can see that even if they win, they can still lose.

It reminds of Trump leading the USFL Lawsuit against the NFL on Anti-Trusts Allegations and Proved it in a Court of Law but was awarded $1 Dollar that was Tripled to $3 Dollars in Damages because that is what Anti-Trust Damages payout when one wins, but that was big loss and the USFL went away and the NFL was happy to write out the check for $3.00?

No one with the Criminal Charges or Lawsuits at Penn State becoming another Media Circus like what happen last week. Now all are saying they need time to look into some other allegations, that came from one BOMBSHELL Line in a Judges Ruling with more to come should they choose to continue, or/and so what the Media is going to pursue it now?

If Unsealed Documents are put in Public, it will no longer be a Half-Dozen Cases waiting Trials, it will be reckoning of reporting more allegations, innuendos, mixed in with what can proven or cross examine.......There will be a Niagara Falls of Publicity and all are going over those Falls whether good, bad, and ugly as judged by the Public Arena?

All will get wet and muddy as they climb out to shore with cold bewilderment of saying, I didn't see that coming? The others will say right next to them, I tried to tell you, when you Unseal Documents Allegations the Leaks can sink you and all, not just the facts! WE ARE PENN STATE and time to stick together and move on and embrace each other again, I don't want to go over all those facts, innuendos, or allegations again, do you???

While the Worldwide Media sits back and says, we don't care what you all do anymore, because we got a great story for our Media, Books and Movies and we got the Court Papers and Victim's Claims to use not you!

 

[DruidTM]

I should think the best thing for all is to unseal the documents....

 

[JHud986]

Captain Do you feel the insurance companies have a strong enough case to take this to court? After all money talks and bs walks. Unless the insurance companies are hiding something I see it in there best interest to take this to the courts and have it tried. Unless ups gives up and settles with the insurance companies to pay all claims. What is the incentive for the insurance companies to settle?

 

[gbgpanther]

W

Captain Do you feel the insurance companies have a strong enough case to take this to court? After all money talks and bs walks. Unless the insurance companies are hiding something I see it in there best interest to take this to the courts and have it tried. Unless ups gives up and settles with the insurance companies to pay all claims. What is the incentive for the insurance companies to settle?

will Cindy Brown ever be able to testify.

 

[pitt-girl]

Captain Do you feel the insurance companies have a strong enough case to take this to court? After all money talks and bs walks. Unless the insurance companies are hiding something I see it in there best interest to take this to the courts and have it tried. Unless ups gives up and settles with the insurance companies to pay all claims. What is the incentive for the insurance companies to settle?

Not the Cap'n, but the insurance company IS in court and that is where the information about earlier involvement with Sandusky/PSU/Paterno came from. PSU is suing their insurance carrier (PMA) in the attempt to recover some or all of the $90M they have already paid out in restitution to Sandusky victims. PMA came back with information (currently sealed) that attests that from the $90M PSU paid victims from as early as 1971 and that Paterno had knowledge of Sandusky activities at that time, so that their financial responsibilities for any of this should be null and void. The Judge has delivered a partial ruling but given PSU 45 days to vet this information and rebut.

http://www.law360.com/articles/793206/penn-state-denied-coverage-for-sandusky-sex-abuse-claims

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I should think the best thing for all is to unseal the documents....

This is would be a very tough unsealing using a Double Edged Sword with one side with a blunt rusty edge and the other as sharp as a surgeon's scalper that will be used to cut, bleed, and rip the Hearts, Veins, and Heads of Penn State University in ways no one can control and can just continue divisions and embarrassments as details are unsealed.

One blunt edge there will be accusations why did you settle and Penn State Trustees, Lawyers, and Interim Administration made many mistakes just paying off allegations without substantiation fully vetted? Versus the contrary argument the allegations themselves are too damaging to allow to be made public so we settled and thinking Insurance could cover it?

The New Trustees that keeps criticizing and filed Lawsuits on what happen will continue to hang the others high, until those Unsealed documents come out and then the Media will disclose them, and even if some allegations can't be proved and others can, Penn State cannot win either way? What if others were told and that means did know about in 1970s and 1980s, that will wipe out the other side as well and still end up hurting Penn State?

Imagine, just what happen reporting that "ALLEGED" Assistants saw an Abuse and did nothing, (I Do Not Believe) but can be put in Pubic and judged by the public even if that Victim is not being able to prove it? But then other Victims are able to prove other aspects of other abuse, or Penn State paid just that one to move on wisely rather get into a Public Trial whereby that would all comes out, and still lose even if they win in Court?

It is not just one Sword but 32 Swords (32 Known & More Unknown) and Victims not just one or two and one includes Sandusky Son that is already on a Campaign of Children Abuse Awareness? The Media will just tell those details and leave the public to judge and decide, that is a No Win situation for Penn State again?

The other sharp side of those Swords are when the Victim's Sealed Allegations are so horrific in details and cannot be defended and then just more bad publicity and that will fall on the New Trustees, Transparency Lawsuit Advocates and PSU Football CULTists all that said, look just tell us all the truth, and we will accept the consequences?

Well, what if the Unsealed Consequences are just a Tip of the Iceberg as seen of what happen about two weeks ago that threw more cutting on the Paterno Legacy and has Assistants Names the Former Athletic Director made public and no Higher Ups at Penn State knew because they were not told?

Again, only the Media will be just more beholden to publish and if aspects of those Victim's Allegations can be proven that will be enough to cause even more calls and embarrass all parties even more but Penn State takes the bleeding.

Even the NCAA, Freeh, and some Trustees can later crow maybe we did not do enough to help the Victim's in hindsight of these New Allegations that now believed are facts that happen as far as the Public.

As I stated many times, this a Penn State Football with Penn State University in Totality, not just one Graduate, Assistant Coach, Employee, Charity, and many other aspects within the University and anyone trying to blame just one person does not erase the Institution from Liability and Humiliation.

It will always come back on Penn State on why did you allow it to happen? Why didn't you control your Football Program? How can one of any decency ignore or enabled it all to continue and allow it to happen? Even if they honestly believe such allegations were untrue? Why no investigations and now it includes 1970s, 1980s, and early 1990s?

The Penn State Football Scandal is so big that it has causes waves of change in AG & Governors Elections, Prosecution Misconduct Allegations, & Judicial Ethical Questions and Resignations, and no longer limited to just Penn State? Just as many thought it was closing and going away, it is back again and maybe bigger than ever?

The entire World, Pennsylvania, Big Ten, and Sports Whelms were all taken a back by how quickly and dramatically it exploded, just after one week of that Hallow NCAA 409th Victory Record that many once thought was most important even if restored does not make it more palpable to enjoy anymore with a bad after taste the world finds vomiting from it.

They may think the New Slogan "UNRIVALED" is a New Dawn for Penn State Football and the University. I would be more worried the coming days could instead see Headlines as "UNRAVELED" as Darker Clouds surround and hover over the University and Football Program.

And brought about with the best intentions to help Penn State University by the Best and Brightest on both sides using a Double Edge Sword that cuts them both up every time they use it?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Captain Do you feel the insurance companies have a strong enough case to take this to court? After all money talks and bs walks. Unless the insurance companies are hiding something I see it in there best interest to take this to the courts and have it tried. Unless ups gives up and settles with the insurance companies to pay all claims. What is the incentive for the insurance companies to settle?

The Insurance Companies already won the Ruling (Can Be Appealed) that they do not have to cover any Settlements from 1992. But this is still being decided and Insurance Companies have an Interests not to have the Statue of Limitation on Child Abuse Cases or go to 50 years or removed? If that happens the Judge may rule on Insurance companies having to pay that part of Settlements made in Cases before 1992? The case is still being argued the point and do not know how the Judge will decide on other issues right now?

Again, a Judge wants to be fair as possible and impartial as possible and does nudge a settlement is better than continuing the Trial, but that is up to both sides to see what they win and lose, and that is always a risk either way? They got their day in Court because they could not agree, but up to them to win, lose, or settle it or the Judge will decide?

By the way, when Judges run for Higher Courts like Commonwealth, Superior, and Supreme Courts in Pennsylvania, the Law firms that represent such Companies are always prominent contributors as well as Trial Lawyers Association and PA Bar Association always plays a role on Qualification Reviews. So, on Appeal such Cases can be upheld or reduced, based on those Appeals, so again Settlement is a wise choice many times? Appeals take more time and their rulings can bring Headlines if changed and all of this weighed by both sides?

As stated earlier, the Criminal Trials & Civil Lawsuits are in the hands of lawyers and Judges and will wait on them and they will work it out one way or another.

I am going to learn about the Clery Act developments that you kept asking about and I want to learn more about Penn State Reforms and what specifically has been changed and how other universities are responding to such changes.

The Sandusky Post Convictions Hearing will be big headlines later this week.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Not the Cap'n, but the insurance company IS in court and that is where the information about earlier involvement with Sandusky/PSU/Paterno came from. PSU is suing their insurance carrier (PMA) in the attempt to recover some or all of the $90M they have already paid out in restitution to Sandusky victims. PMA came back with information (currently sealed) that attests that from the $90M PSU paid victims from as early as 1971 and that Paterno had knowledge of Sandusky activities at that time, so that their financial responsibilities for any of this should be null and void. The Judge has delivered a partial ruling but given PSU 45 days to vet this information and rebut.

http://www.law360.com/articles/793206/penn-state-denied-coverage-for-sandusky-sex-abuse-claims

Yes, and accurate thank you. I responded to others above before I read your post. In addition, what happens if Documents are Unsealed it will cause the other Civil Lawsuit to rethink what they want to do or just settle too?

In augmenting what your post.........First here in Pennsylvania, then across the country and around the world the Penn State Scandal on Child Abuse in the Sports World is like the Catholic Church on many levels and needs unraveling like the SPOTLIGHT Movie that won the Academy Awards Movie as what Reporters did in Boston.

What Penn State faces now is the court cases were won in Boston and other cities by the Media all over America in Catholic Church Cases and even the AG Kane's Altoona-Johnstown Dioceses Report had to be outed.

They all won the right to have such Victim's Documents released is now precedent. It will be that information that will encourage the Media and other Victims and Lawyers to follow wanting more exposed now not less in the Penn State Settlements.

Once the Media is able to have access on over 32 or those not addressed over 4 to 5 Decades, in which Penn State University had settled claims privately, including clauses that barred the victims or their families from ever talking about it. Concrete evidence of those settlements will be harder to find, defend, but nonetheless exposed publicly with consequences no matter what side one is under what Penn State Knew and When?

It will be just bad publicity that gets worse for Penn State and continue to have both sides point fingers at each other, and why Settlements of the Lawsuits may be the way to end such details from getting worse, or it may harden the Penn State Plaintiffs to continue even if it causes Penn State more problems.

They will just bring out things they wish they left alone, especially if the Media wins its Unsealing and not just in all Cases but those in 1970s and 1980s. The Trustees, Paterno, NCAA, PS4RS, Freeh, McQueary, Spanier and other cases against PSU will also look into that info over the next 45 days. As well as, the Media demanding its release?

It is the shot across the Bows of many Civil Lawsuits not just the Insurance Cases. If it comes out more than just one or two knew or more knew, and what they knew and when compared to what was reported in 1998, 2001, 2008-11, Grand Juries and subsequent Convictions of Sandusky is now going to be far more transparent than anyone wanted.

And may be what others did not really want to know and have to admit to in the future they will wish they had left alone, but out their hands now?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I agree, but it was entertaining. They had quite a run, but got away with a lot of crap.

It is a strange way for years Penn State had been extremely protective of its Football & University reputation and when Investigators first asked questions they were invited to dinner and told this all could be explained, and they responded you better get an Attorney? Those notes may come out under seal?

Just like what happen in Boston and New England, there had been several civil cases against individual priests and the archdiocese. The church managed to ensure documents relating to those cases were filed under seal and in other words, they were kept secret and were protected by a superior court confidentiality order, but many more were mysteriously missing?

The Media decided to contest the court confidentiality order that the Church's constitutionally entitled to keep its records confidential arguing the Media has no business knowing anything about them anyway. The Media will go to Victims not covered right now and backed by lawyers for the victims, will argued that the public interest in the PSU-PMA cases outweighed Penn States desire for privacy. Giving those that wanted all Transparency more than they may wanted to know too.

This is not going away anytime soon even after 45 days unless there are Settlements and even then may not make it go away. Now that Media like NY Times, Patriot, Inquirer, Triblive, (Every Media Except PPG), or CNN's Ganim, Wash Post's Jenkins, and others like Berstein, Wetzel that were attacked by the PSU CULTists will just dig deeper and seek to find tips, slips and traces of earlier abuse.

Suddenly, what has been argued that no one knew in 1998 and what was passed on in 2001 to Higher Ups is not the entire Hindsight Admissions, and are uncovered in those shadowy private settlements. The same actual documents relating to these cases had been sealed at Penn State's request and paid for such confidentiality will overturn any confidentiality order imposed on the documents. As well as any records missing from the public file should be or could be oredered resubmitted. The Media won't care about when or how and why, they will just publish all of it even under threats of legal action.

The Public response will be even more immense, immediate and impact on Penn State University and all Lawsuits Litigants in ways some will take great delight, others more sadden, and many more none could imagined.

The cause for Transparency and searching for the Full Truths will create even more a crisis will not just be tthe Sealed Documents revealed Sandusky had abused children, but that some at Penn State knew about it, and still failed to keep Sandusky away from children. Even many others never knew either way back in 1970s and 1980s and it was kept from them.

These kinds of Unsealed Documents and other previously missing evidence against Penn State can be devastating to many at Penn State that argued against the Consent Decree, Settlements, NCAA Sanctions, and all others aspects in all the Lawsuits. Even if they uncover that there was a cover up of the cover ups that will only hurt PSU more not less.

Even worse can one imagine the Media future Horrific Heartbreaking Interviews with many Victims now allow to talk and write and publish their nightmares but were settled privately earlier now released publicly?

Just think how incredibly the passion and deep respect for Penn State Football is going to be written on the shock, awe, and pain that despite complaints, Sandusky was still continuing to work at Penn State intertwining The Second Mile with the Football Program for disadvantaged Children. Or if Sandusky can prove at his Post Conviction Hearing he was victim of Prosecution Misconduct and will get a New Trial? This will mean none of the Scandal is not going away sooner and that is not good for PSU either?

This is what will really make all Penn State Fans rethink what happen, when and who is responsible and answer what many of them wanted to know, but not in the way they were thinking. The Cover-Ups of the 1970s-80s may have uncover the Alleged Cover-Ups of 1998, 2001, 2008 and 2010? As stated, I have a tough time ever thinking anyone at Penn State knew before 1998 about Sandusky. Judging society's values of silence on Children Abuse, Domestic Spousal Abuse and Drug Abuse at that time, and not on 2016 values and New Laws?

Either way, the Unraveling of the Unrivaled is going to still hurt those that love Penn State University! They may need another New Slogan, because it their many "WE ARE" that are challenging in 2016 the Unraveling of the Unrivaled 1966-2011 Era?

We shall see and read what happens in 45 days or more?

 

[JHud986]

Captain Thanks.
Waiting to hear more.

joe

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Captain Thanks.
Waiting to hear more.joe

It is something that happen at Penn State and of, by, and from Penn State and up to Penn State to resolve and deal with it. I wish it on no University, Individual, or Program, and have no problem in those seeking more information and transparency because that has been a long time problem at Penn State, and that is what a Two-Edge Sword does, it cuts both ways.

I have no problem with Sandusky getting a New Trial or Paterno's trying to recapture and defend Joe's Legacy and other Lawsuits meant to shine a light on what happen. If they can prove all Victim's were lying and Prosecution Misconduct caused the Convictions, so be it. I can wait and accept any Court's Ruling on any of them, but that is a long climb to reverse everything too?

I am also proud Penn State University put in necessary Reform to put its Football Program and University back in compliance and has become a Center Of How To Protects Children and enforce procedures to make sure all Sports are within Laws, Rules, and Regulations.

Up to all Penn Staters to come together and agree how to unite together, after all the Truths come out! The Penn State 2012 Reforms were put in and are not challenged and they were Unrivaled Past Due and needed too!

 

[billyberoux]

Captain, I'm not as connected as you, but heard from a friend who is. He put an interesting spin on the alumni trustees and their lawsuits. Said Lubrano is a smart and persistent man, but not quite at the level of some of those he's going after. Said he probably doesn't even know it yet but he's trapped himself with the fiduciary sickle he's been swinging. Explained that at some point, he won't be able to release what he knows without causing PS additional monetary hits. Thoughts?