Pitt fans rejoicing..

[OmarLittle]

So there is a thread over on bwi blaming pitt fans for spurring on the celebration of ped states bad press..
Obviously I can't retort over there so I'll put it here, since half of them come here anyway.

Now bear in mind these are a few minor exerpts from just a few place I visit here and there..feel free to add your own teams, visitors.

Northwestern
-A regular triumph of the human spirit, hiding molestation for greater gridiron glory and the squeaky clean program image. You want clean? Not in the PSU showers.
The death penalty was the right thing to do. But it is always "opposite" day at the NCAA offices.

-In his defense, he only knew for, like, 35 years. It must have been weighing on him.
Get that statue back where it belongs.

WVU
- I think WVU should tear up its contract in 2023-2024 with this school. If not, fans should boycott the game. And to think the NCAA thought PSU was so in the clear that it pulled back the sanctions last year.

-It's all a massive conspiracy. Sandusky is innocent. Just ask the folks in Happy Valley. That's why Paterno knew nothing. That's why Curley knew nothing. That's why Spanier knew nothing.

That's why no one up there knew anything even after McQueery saw a child being sodomised by Samdusky in the shower of the Lasche Building. And the fact that PSU had 4 losing seasons in 5 years from 2000-2004 seasons is totally a coincidence as to why this never happenned and no one up there ever knew anything.

It's just like OJ. It was all a conspiracy against a totally innocent man.

Texas
-I'm generally in the bandwagon of "who gives a $#@! about vacated wins", but if there was ever a time for it, it was stripping wins to put a big $#@!ing asterisk next to the winningest coach evah, especially when a lot of the defense of his inaction is "how was he supposed to know that he was supposed to do something about his buddy/coach putting his $#@! inside little kids? He was too old! Too old!"

-Tell you what, if they don't like the screwing they think they're getting, they ought to do what other such victims did -- report it to JoePa, and wait for the problem to be solved. Just go over to his grave, holler your problems at it, and then wait for the dead JoePa to do EXACTLY as much to protect sex abuse victims as the live JoePa did. You created your God. Now do as all good disciples should do, and pray to Him for deliverance. And see how that works out for you.

Miami
-I don't have a dog in this fight but how can ANYONE BELIEVE Paterno was not somehow involved in the same disgusting crap Sandusky was, they were "BEST FRIENDS" even traveled together after their respective grand jury testimony, I just FEEL for those poor KIDS whose lives were RUINED by this SCUM! PEDTURDO RIH!
Go Canes!

-I can't believe they are still in denial over on the PSU board. For goodness sake if you glaze over all the facts you'd have to at least come away with someone was covering up something for a long long time. SMH.

Michigan
-The stories from the victims at Sandusky's trial were stomach-turning. Just a living hell in Happy Valley for so many little boys. Disturbing is not a strong enough word.

-Makes me sick when I think about them in the B1G and we are associated with them by conference.

Just swap 'em out with some other team during the next conference expansion. Pitt would be a great replacement.

Iowa
-Disgraceful. Boot them from the B1G.
-Get rid of them along with Rutgers. Stay at 12.
-PSU football program should be removed permanently.
-The BIG doesnt need this....good bye
-The PROGRAM is what enabled it. People valued football over protecting kids.
wouldnt surprise me if Joe Pa and/or some of the other coaches and admin were involved in the abuse.

Rutgers (only went 1 page deep in the 10+ page main thread)
-I wish nothing good for that school or their fan base ever again.
-The damning evidence is that this kid -- way back in 1972 -- told a friend that he had been raped by that freak, and how it was reported to Penn State and Paterno. This friend, an independent witness, has verified the story.
I know I shouldn't have but I went on to the Penn State board. All I can say is those delusional clowns.
Is there any way the Big can send Penn State to the ACC? Trade them for Pitt. We should keep the cheaters and pedophiles together.
Penn State should change its' mascot from lion to ostrich.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

There is enough disgrace for PSU for many universities. PSU is a cesspool.

 

[Piranha]

EVERYBODY, but the cultists are thoroughly disgusted by Paterno.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The simpleistic minds cannot think that through.

EVERYBODY, but the cultists are thoroughly disgusted by Paterno.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Yeah it is only Pitt fans that think the Penn Staters are off the rails. I love the suggestion by the UT folks, who have been all over PSU since this initially was reported. "Hey Nitters, any time you are aggrieved by anyone or anything, just go over to Joe's grave and tell him about it. And you will get the same response and help that these children got."

 

[big marty]

Its not just Paterno everyone is disgusted with..Its Penn State University and the fact they have gotten worse in every way since this all went down. They have ignored every directive to put their delusional horror soiled money machine house in order.which Includes the alumni and this Clahn Franklin the "Carnival.Barker"... DISGUSTING. SOILED. INCIPID.

 

[ncyajleel]

If all these schools feel so strongly about this, we all should boycott any game played with them. Maybe then someone will listen and finally do something.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Its not just Paterno everyone is disgusted with..Its Penn State University and the fact they have gotten worse in every way since this all went down. They have ignored every directive to put their delusional horror soiled money machine house in order.which Includes the alumni and this Clahn Franklin the "Carnival.Barker"... DISGUSTING. SOILED. INCIPID.

Insipid. If you are going to claim superiority and use big words, spell them correctly.

 

[88Pitt88]

If all these schools feel so strongly about this, we all should boycott any game played with them. Maybe then someone will listen and finally do something.

1. It is a shame that the almighty dollar rules. I would love to see the schools of the big ten unite and dismiss this wretched institution! Not sure what steps would need to be taken to remove them from the conference, but I am sure that there are a lot of fine schools in that conference who would love to see them exiled. They could land as an independent and then no one would schedule them. This would be better than any NCAA sanctions, but is just a dream since they are already on the big 10 schedule and could not be readily replaced.

 

[Old School1]

Why would a parent send their kid to NitterU when they have these issues?
It seems like the Nitter administration doesn't get it or maybe they do which is even a larger issue ( cult)?

 

[PhPanther1]

Why would a parent send their kid to NitterU when they have these issues?
It seems like the Nitter administration doesn't get it or maybe they do which is even a larger issue ( cult)?

Because they are top knotch in certain educational areas? Not everybody who goes there gives a shit about football or the Paterno lunatics. They actually laugh at those people and the crazy actions they do.

 

[MajTom]

Wonder what miles sanders is thinking right now...can I transfer if we get more sanctions without sitting out a year?

 

[Old School1]

Because they are top knotch in certain educational areas? Not everybody who goes there gives a shit about football or the Paterno lunatics. They actually laugh at those people and the crazy actions they do.

Well true but I do know it has impacted the hiring of PSU grads. The Sandusky issue started out as just Nitter football but now its more than that. The public perception is that the University is administration is "all in" on the coverup! That's not good if you're a PSU grad looking for a job in this terrible job market for college grads most of whom are underemployed and living at home.
Some principled people who don't like how PSU has handled things stay away from PSU grads because there's lots of other grads of equal status to choose from.
When people first apply for positions its always a first impression that gets them in the door. If the hiring party doesn't like you or your University for whatever reason someone else gets their foot in the door not you.
On the other hand PSU has a huge network of grads who do hire PSU grads so that's the flip side of things.
I do realize its not the students issue but they did choose that University!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Why would a parent send their kid to NitterU when they have these issues?
It seems like the Nitter administration doesn't get it or maybe they do which is even a larger issue ( cult)?

Well if you think about it, they largely have seemed above the board until these new allegations have surfaced. Now, the whole pack mentality has surfaced again. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. This is not going to he good for the school as I am sure some sane donors and alums are going to question whether to donate and also send their kids.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Eric Barron and all of the other Joebot alums are idiots. They should WANT this to be a Joe Paterno/Jerry Sandusky thing and not a Penn State thing. Woody Hayes slugging a football player was a Woody Hayes thing. That Nittany Lion symbol now just draws scorn and disgust. They should want this to be confined to the football program and its leadership. By just flat out dismissing this stuff and making Paterno the victim, they are again placing themselves right back into the middle of this. WE ARE!

 

[ncyajleel]

Alabama has a thread about this too. A few posts saying if any school deserved the death penalty in football, it's penn state.

 

[ncyajleel]

I think once a PoSU fan, always a PoSU fan. I hear fans who have no ties to the university at all other than being a fan of the football team saying the same things about how Paterno is innocent, he couldn't have known. The cult extends not only to students, staff and Centre County cretins, it's all of the football fans.

Well if you think about it, they largely have seemed above the board until these new allegations have surfaced. Now, the whole pack mentality has surfaced again. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. This is not going to he good for the school as I am sure some sane donors and alums are going to question whether to donate and also send their kids.

 

[wbrpanther]

So there is a thread over on bwi blaming pitt fans for spurring on the celebration of ped states bad press..
Obviously I can't retort over there so I'll put it here, since half of them come here anyway.

Now bear in mind these are a few minor exerpts from just a few place I visit here and there..feel free to add your own teams, visitors.

Northwestern
-A regular triumph of the human spirit, hiding molestation for greater gridiron glory and the squeaky clean program image. You want clean? Not in the PSU showers.
The death penalty was the right thing to do. But it is always "opposite" day at the NCAA offices.

-In his defense, he only knew for, like, 35 years. It must have been weighing on him.
Get that statue back where it belongs.

WVU
- I think WVU should tear up its contract in 2023-2024 with this school. If not, fans should boycott the game. And to think the NCAA thought PSU was so in the clear that it pulled back the sanctions last year.

-It's all a massive conspiracy. Sandusky is innocent. Just ask the folks in Happy Valley. That's why Paterno knew nothing. That's why Curley knew nothing. That's why Spanier knew nothing.

That's why no one up there knew anything even after McQueery saw a child being sodomised by Samdusky in the shower of the Lasche Building. And the fact that PSU had 4 losing seasons in 5 years from 2000-2004 seasons is totally a coincidence as to why this never happenned and no one up there ever knew anything.

It's just like OJ. It was all a conspiracy against a totally innocent man.

Texas
-I'm generally in the bandwagon of "who gives a $#@! about vacated wins", but if there was ever a time for it, it was stripping wins to put a big $#@!ing asterisk next to the winningest coach evah, especially when a lot of the defense of his inaction is "how was he supposed to know that he was supposed to do something about his buddy/coach putting his $#@! inside little kids? He was too old! Too old!"

-Tell you what, if they don't like the screwing they think they're getting, they ought to do what other such victims did -- report it to JoePa, and wait for the problem to be solved. Just go over to his grave, holler your problems at it, and then wait for the dead JoePa to do EXACTLY as much to protect sex abuse victims as the live JoePa did. You created your God. Now do as all good disciples should do, and pray to Him for deliverance. And see how that works out for you.

Miami
-I don't have a dog in this fight but how can ANYONE BELIEVE Paterno was not somehow involved in the same disgusting crap Sandusky was, they were "BEST FRIENDS" even traveled together after their respective grand jury testimony, I just FEEL for those poor KIDS whose lives were RUINED by this SCUM! PEDTURDO RIH!
Go Canes!

-I can't believe they are still in denial over on the PSU board. For goodness sake if you glaze over all the facts you'd have to at least come away with someone was covering up something for a long long time. SMH.

Michigan
-The stories from the victims at Sandusky's trial were stomach-turning. Just a living hell in Happy Valley for so many little boys. Disturbing is not a strong enough word.

-Makes me sick when I think about them in the B1G and we are associated with them by conference.

Just swap 'em out with some other team during the next conference expansion. Pitt would be a great replacement.

Iowa
-Disgraceful. Boot them from the B1G.
-Get rid of them along with Rutgers. Stay at 12.
-PSU football program should be removed permanently.
-The BIG doesnt need this....good bye
-The PROGRAM is what enabled it. People valued football over protecting kids.
wouldnt surprise me if Joe Pa and/or some of the other coaches and admin were involved in the abuse.

Rutgers (only went 1 page deep in the 10+ page main thread)
-I wish nothing good for that school or their fan base ever again.
-The damning evidence is that this kid -- way back in 1972 -- told a friend that he had been raped by that freak, and how it was reported to Penn State and Paterno. This friend, an independent witness, has verified the story.
I know I shouldn't have but I went on to the Penn State board. All I can say is those delusional clowns.
Is there any way the Big can send Penn State to the ACC? Trade them for Pitt. We should keep the cheaters and pedophiles together.
Penn State should change its' mascot from lion to ostrich.[ QUOTE]
The dude from Texas said it best.

 

[raleighpanther]

Its reassuring to see that other schools get it. We are not alone.

What is different with us, is that we never bought into the "false media narrative" created by the media regarding squeaking clean version of Paterno. We were close enough to the situation to know about many of the wrongs committed under Paterno's watch. We knew about the 57 players arrested on multiple charges over a six year period (a significant portion of all players on the team during that time period), many of them for violent offenses. And that didn't include the kids picked up by police and taken to Paterno's house instead of the police station.

But most of the rest of the world didn't care, and just continued to believe the Saint Joe stories that the media cranked out on a regular basis. So, yes, to any nitters reading this, we do take a certain pleasure in finally seeing the false saintly image exposed, and knowing the rest of the world finally gets the truth.

 

[dclionsfan]

No proof. If they have coaches as witnesses that joe knew why not come forward and name them. Until then all this is all allegations.

 

[pitt-girl]

No proof. If they have coaches as witnesses that joe knew why not come forward and name them. Until then all this is all allegations.

You're right - but be forewarned because the Judge in the PSU/Insurance Co. trial just might unseal the documents. Transparency.

 

[dclionsfan]

I want the truth. If he did then suffer what comes next. This crap isn't my life. I've got a family to support. I go to psu games to watch football not to worry about paterno legacy. There's only one God and joe is not it

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Good for you I guess. Just not representative of the last 5 decades. And I don't know, you're posting on a Pitt message board about it?

 

[pitt-girl]

I want the truth. If he did then suffer what comes next. This crap isn't my life. I've got a family to support. I go to psu games to watch football not to worry about paterno legacy. There's only one God and joe is not it

Here's the conundrum. Joe's dead. There will never be a way to absolutely prove anything now. So it depends on your viewpoint. If you believe there is no way he could have been involved way back in the 70's, then nothing presented will change your mind. Vice versa.

I'm just a bit skeptical that you're on a Pitt message board pushing back about this. If it isn't your life, why would you care what is said here?

 

[pittdan77]

So we're click-baiters too?

 

[topdecktiger]

So there is a thread over on bwi blaming pitt fans for spurring on the celebration of ped states bad press..
Obviously I can't retort over there so I'll put it here, since half of them come here anyway.

Now bear in mind these are a few minor exerpts from just a few place I visit here and there..feel free to add your own teams, visitors.

Northwestern
-A regular triumph of the human spirit, hiding molestation for greater gridiron glory and the squeaky clean program image. You want clean? Not in the PSU showers.
The death penalty was the right thing to do. But it is always "opposite" day at the NCAA offices.

-In his defense, he only knew for, like, 35 years. It must have been weighing on him.
Get that statue back where it belongs.

WVU
- I think WVU should tear up its contract in 2023-2024 with this school. If not, fans should boycott the game. And to think the NCAA thought PSU was so in the clear that it pulled back the sanctions last year.

-It's all a massive conspiracy. Sandusky is innocent. Just ask the folks in Happy Valley. That's why Paterno knew nothing. That's why Curley knew nothing. That's why Spanier knew nothing.

That's why no one up there knew anything even after McQueery saw a child being sodomised by Samdusky in the shower of the Lasche Building. And the fact that PSU had 4 losing seasons in 5 years from 2000-2004 seasons is totally a coincidence as to why this never happenned and no one up there ever knew anything.

It's just like OJ. It was all a conspiracy against a totally innocent man.

Texas
-I'm generally in the bandwagon of "who gives a $#@! about vacated wins", but if there was ever a time for it, it was stripping wins to put a big $#@!ing asterisk next to the winningest coach evah, especially when a lot of the defense of his inaction is "how was he supposed to know that he was supposed to do something about his buddy/coach putting his $#@! inside little kids? He was too old! Too old!"

-Tell you what, if they don't like the screwing they think they're getting, they ought to do what other such victims did -- report it to JoePa, and wait for the problem to be solved. Just go over to his grave, holler your problems at it, and then wait for the dead JoePa to do EXACTLY as much to protect sex abuse victims as the live JoePa did. You created your God. Now do as all good disciples should do, and pray to Him for deliverance. And see how that works out for you.

Miami
-I don't have a dog in this fight but how can ANYONE BELIEVE Paterno was not somehow involved in the same disgusting crap Sandusky was, they were "BEST FRIENDS" even traveled together after their respective grand jury testimony, I just FEEL for those poor KIDS whose lives were RUINED by this SCUM! PEDTURDO RIH!
Go Canes!

-I can't believe they are still in denial over on the PSU board. For goodness sake if you glaze over all the facts you'd have to at least come away with someone was covering up something for a long long time. SMH.

Michigan
-The stories from the victims at Sandusky's trial were stomach-turning. Just a living hell in Happy Valley for so many little boys. Disturbing is not a strong enough word.

-Makes me sick when I think about them in the B1G and we are associated with them by conference.

Just swap 'em out with some other team during the next conference expansion. Pitt would be a great replacement.

Iowa
-Disgraceful. Boot them from the B1G.
-Get rid of them along with Rutgers. Stay at 12.
-PSU football program should be removed permanently.
-The BIG doesnt need this....good bye
-The PROGRAM is what enabled it. People valued football over protecting kids.
wouldnt surprise me if Joe Pa and/or some of the other coaches and admin were involved in the abuse.

Rutgers (only went 1 page deep in the 10+ page main thread)
-I wish nothing good for that school or their fan base ever again.
-The damning evidence is that this kid -- way back in 1972 -- told a friend that he had been raped by that freak, and how it was reported to Penn State and Paterno. This friend, an independent witness, has verified the story.
I know I shouldn't have but I went on to the Penn State board. All I can say is those delusional clowns.
Is there any way the Big can send Penn State to the ACC? Trade them for Pitt. We should keep the cheaters and pedophiles together.
Penn State should change its' mascot from lion to ostrich.

To be fair, both sides are wrong. The focus here needs to be on the victims and helping them. Settling a grudge against a team/school/coach you don't like is disrespectful to the victims.

 

[pittdan77]

To be fair, both sides are wrong. The focus here needs to be on the victims and helping them. Settling a grudge against a team/school/coach you don't like is disrespectful to the victims.

What? Why do you expect me to sit by and watch the state continue to pour money onto this dumpster fire while the blame is randomly assigned to the court system, the media, and now other fan bases for being outraged and like it?

Any grudge against PSU as a fan gets settled on the football field and on message boards where you clown around about the goofball coach's twitter account. This is way more than that.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I want the truth. If he did then suffer what comes next. This crap isn't my life. I've got a family to support. I go to psu games to watch football not to worry about paterno legacy. There's only one God and joe is not it

I hope you that none of your Nit brethren know your identity. If they did, you might not be safe at your own home games after posting things such as ^^^that^^^.

 

[Gary77]

Eric Barron and all of the other Joebot alums are idiots. They should WANT this to be a Joe Paterno/Jerry Sandusky thing and not a Penn State thing. Woody Hayes slugging a football player was a Woody Hayes thing. That Nittany Lion symbol now just draws scorn and disgust. They should want this to be confined to the football program and its leadership. By just flat out dismissing this stuff and making Paterno the victim, they are again placing themselves right back into the middle of this. WE ARE!

I agree, but don't forget that the economy of that area is largely based on revenue generated by football. PedU is basically a football program disguised as a vocational degree factory.

 

[topdecktiger]

What? Why do you expect me to sit by and watch the state continue to pour money onto this dumpster fire while the blame is randomly assigned to the court system, the media, and now other fan bases for being outraged and like it?

Any grudge against PSU as a fan gets settled on the football field and on message boards where you clown around about the goofball coach's twitter account. This is way more than that.

Well, here is the problem. You just said you didn't want to sit by and watch the state pour money onto the dumpster fire. Ok, well, that's got nothing to do with whether or not Paterno is guilty. Paterno is dead. Getting outraged and going to the mat over how much Paterno deserves blame doesn't solve anything. If you want Penn St University held accountable, that can be accomplished regardless of how much blame you want to put on Paterno. Sandusky was an employee of the university, so the university is culpable right off the bat. What Paterno did or didn't doesn't mitigate Penn St. responsibility. Just for the sake of argument, let's say Paterno is completely innocent. Well, the university is still 100% culpable. If Paterno is completely guilty.....the university is still 100% culpable. In this new lawsuit, it really doesn't matter if Paterno was told, because the university is STILL responsible for Sandusky's actions. The university has a responsibility to protect children on the campus, and that responsibility is not mitigated by whether or not Paterno knew anything. The university has the ultimate responsibility either way.

The point is, you get too fired up about Paterno, and don't pay enough attention to the other issues of the case, particularly the victims. Your outrage would be better served by channeling that energy in a way to help the victims and prevent this from happening in the future.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I agree, but don't forget that the economy of that area is largely based on revenue generated by football. PedU is basically a football program disguised as a vocational degree factory.

It has become that. And man do they brainwash people thinking that their degree is just like Harvard's.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Well, here is the problem. You just said you didn't want to sit by and watch the state pour money onto the dumpster fire. Ok, well, that's got nothing to do with whether or not Paterno is guilty. Paterno is dead. Getting outraged and going to the mat over how much Paterno deserves blame doesn't solve anything. If you want Penn St University held accountable, that can be accomplished regardless of how much blame you want to put on Paterno. Sandusky was an employee of the university, so the university is culpable right off the bat. What Paterno did or didn't doesn't mitigate Penn St. responsibility. Just for the sake of argument, let's say Paterno is completely innocent. Well, the university is still 100% culpable. If Paterno is completely guilty.....the university is still 100% culpable. In this new lawsuit, it really doesn't matter if Paterno was told, because the university is STILL responsible for Sandusky's actions. The university has a responsibility to protect children on the campus, and that responsibility is not mitigated by whether or not Paterno knew anything. The university has the ultimate responsibility either way.

The point is, you get too fired up about Paterno, and don't pay enough attention to the other issues of the case, particularly the victims. Your outrage would be better served by channeling that energy in a way to help the victims and prevent this from happening in the future.

You make a good point. But you've left out one huge issue:

For Pitt, Paterno made it personal:
*He's the one who stopped the Pitt-Penn State series, which was one of the best rivalries in the country.

*He's the one who, during a game, lost his head and was screaming to Pitt players that (paraphrasing) they were a disgrace to college football.

*He's the one who - according to Gordon Gee himself - and he should know, since he was attending the Big Ten meetings - claimed that Paterno kept Pitt out of the Big Ten. (This is on the internet if you research it...an audio recording of Gordon Gee being interviewed.)

And Paterno set himself up for this. Whenever you go around telling everyone who will listen that you're better than everyone else, you can expect that there will be people lying there waiting for you to screw-up. And this wasn't just a simple, accidental stumble...this was the biggest scandal in the history of collegiate athletics. You have some angry Pitt fans with long memories, and they're enjoying your program's misery.

You're saying (above) that WE should be directing our energies toward helping the victims and preventing this from happening in the future. But look at your own message boards: your fans are directing their energies toward denying that any abuse happened, threatening the reporter who broke the story, wanting to return the statue to honor the enabler, and pointing fingers of blame toward everyone except where the blame truly belongs.

Why are you lecturing US and not your own fans???

 

[Old School1]

Here's the conundrum. Joe's dead. There will never be a way to absolutely prove anything now. So it depends on your viewpoint. If you believe there is no way he could have been involved way back in the 70's, then nothing presented will change your mind. Vice versa.

I'm just a bit skeptical that you're on a Pitt message board pushing back about this. If it isn't your life, why would you care what is said here?

Joe's dead???
How and when did that happen?
Did it happen when the team was cow tipping?
Omg what horrible news!
Who will run PSU?
This is a gamechanger!
Has anyone checked Earths orbit around the Sun?
I don't know about you but it seems a little wobbly?
I'm liquidating my stocks, bonds, moving to cash.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Well, here is the problem. You just said you didn't want to sit by and watch the state pour money onto the dumpster fire. Ok, well, that's got nothing to do with whether or not Paterno is guilty. Paterno is dead. Getting outraged and going to the mat over how much Paterno deserves blame doesn't solve anything. If you want Penn St University held accountable, that can be accomplished regardless of how much blame you want to put on Paterno. Sandusky was an employee of the university, so the university is culpable right off the bat. What Paterno did or didn't doesn't mitigate Penn St. responsibility. Just for the sake of argument, let's say Paterno is completely innocent. Well, the university is still 100% culpable. If Paterno is completely guilty.....the university is still 100% culpable. In this new lawsuit, it really doesn't matter if Paterno was told, because the university is STILL responsible for Sandusky's actions. The university has a responsibility to protect children on the campus, and that responsibility is not mitigated by whether or not Paterno knew anything. The university has the ultimate responsibility either way.

The point is, you get too fired up about Paterno, and don't pay enough attention to the other issues of the case, particularly the victims. Your outrage would be better served by channeling that energy in a way to help the victims and prevent this from happening in the future.

Personally, I want the insular, incestuous culture that was built around a cult of personality who invented slogans that sold an air of moral superiority and fostered the quashing of all criticism and the horrific sacrifice of the innocent for the perceived misguided notion of some greater good to be rooted out at its core so that something like this never, ever happens again. It is the same type of culture that fills history books with the woeful tales of those who blindly followed leaders no matter what heinous atrocities they committed. It is a black mark on humanity, and in this case, our Commonwealth, which the flagship state university should be focused on advancing and serving, not mired in trying to protect the legacy and operation of a sport. The later is so trivial, so needless, yet is the sad reason so many lives have been damaged and destroyed and $100s of millions wasted. Yet when you look at the actions and words of both university leaders and supporters, you realize that absolutely nothing has fundamentally changed with culture of the school, the region, and without a doubt their fans. We are from this region, we intermingle with these people, and it is our children, future, and resources that are affected. So excuse us for our indignation at this travesty when it is thrust in our face by national media and inevitably followed on by our unavoidable conspiracy theorist neighbors posting comments and performing mental gymnastics on our message boards and in news article comment sections in an attempt to defend and exonerate the indefensible. And forgive us that we react by pointing out the obvious vileness of not only what happened, but also their all too predictable responses. The whole thing makes me physically ill.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Personally, I want the insular, incestuous culture that was built around a cult of personality who invented slogans that sold an air moral superiority and fostered the quashing of all criticism and the horrific sacrifice of the innocent for the perceived misguided notion of some greater good to be rooted out at its core so that something like this never, ever happens again. It is the same type of culture that fills history books with the woeful tales of those who blindly followed leaders no matter what heinous atrocities they committed. It is a black mark on humanity, and in this case, our Commonwealth, which the flagship state university should be focused on advancing and serving, not mired in trying to protect the legacy and operation of a sport. The later is so trivial, so needless, yet is the sad reason so many lives have been damaged and destroyed and $100s of millions wasted. Yet when you look at the actions and words of both university leaders and supporters, you realize that absolutely nothing has fundamentally changed with culture of the school, the region, and without a doubt their fans. We are from this region, we intermingle with these people, and it is our children, future, and resources that are affected. So excuse us for our indignation at this travesty when it is thrust in our face by national media and inevitably followed on by our unavoidable conspiracy theorist neighbors posting comments and performing mental gymnastics on our message boards and in news article comment sections in an attempt to defend and exonerate the indefensible. And forgive us that we react by pointing out the obvious vileness of not only what happened, but also their all too predictable responses. The whole thing makes me physically ill.

Holy run on Batman. I am guilty of some long winded sentences, but these might be the two longest sentences to ever start a paragraph in the history of the written word.

 

[pittdan77]

Well, here is the problem. You just said you didn't want to sit by and watch the state pour money onto the dumpster fire. Ok, well, that's got nothing to do with whether or not Paterno is guilty. Paterno is dead. Getting outraged and going to the mat over how much Paterno deserves blame doesn't solve anything. If you want Penn St University held accountable, that can be accomplished regardless of how much blame you want to put on Paterno. Sandusky was an employee of the university, so the university is culpable right off the bat. What Paterno did or didn't doesn't mitigate Penn St. responsibility. Just for the sake of argument, let's say Paterno is completely innocent. Well, the university is still 100% culpable. If Paterno is completely guilty.....the university is still 100% culpable. In this new lawsuit, it really doesn't matter if Paterno was told, because the university is STILL responsible for Sandusky's actions. The university has a responsibility to protect children on the campus, and that responsibility is not mitigated by whether or not Paterno knew anything. The university has the ultimate responsibility either way.

The point is, you get too fired up about Paterno, and don't pay enough attention to the other issues of the case, particularly the victims. Your outrage would be better served by channeling that energy in a way to help the victims and prevent this from happening in the future.

Thanks but I didn't mention Paterno once in my reply and I can assure you that my posts are somewhat consistent in how I view this mess.

I spent part of my life working with kids that were manipulated and abused by adults. In my opinion, the enablers rarely pay for their deeds but they are, in many ways, much worse than the monsters because they almost always have some misdirected motive that justifies their inaction. I'd say Joe does fall into that category, at least as the standard bearer of the scandal, so his and the other's inaction, should be a major talking point here. If you care about the victims this is where you start.

 

[topdecktiger]

You make a good point. But you've left out one huge issue:

For Pitt, Paterno made it personal:
*He's the one who stopped the Pitt-Penn State series, which was one of the best rivalries in the country.

*He's the one who, during a game, lost his head and was screaming to Pitt players that (paraphrasing) they were a disgrace to college football.

*He's the one who - according to Gordon Gee himself - and he should know, since he was attending the Big Ten meetings - claimed that Paterno kept Pitt out of the Big Ten. (This is on the internet if you research it...an audio recording of Gordon Gee being interviewed.)

And Paterno set himself up for this. Whenever you go around telling everyone who will listen that you're better than everyone else, you can expect that there will be people lying there waiting for you to screw-up. And this wasn't just a simple, accidental stumble...this was the biggest scandal in the history of collegiate athletics. You have some angry Pitt fans with long memories, and they're enjoying your program's misery.

You're saying (above) that WE should be directing our energies toward helping the victims and preventing this from happening in the future. But look at your own message boards: your fans are directing their energies toward denying that any abuse happened, threatening the reporter who broke the story, wanting to return the statue to honor the enabler, and pointing fingers of blame toward everyone except where the blame truly belongs.

Why are you lecturing US and not your own fans???

You just made my point for me. You want to stick it to Paterno, by your own words, because of ending the Penn St series and keeping Pitt out of the Big Ten. That shouldn't even be an issue when it comes to kids being abused.

Nothing is being said on "my" board. I'm not a Penn St fan. (Hint: Penn St is the Lions, not Tigers.)

Personally, I want the insular, incestuous culture that was built around a cult of personality who invented slogans that sold an air moral superiority and fostered the quashing of all criticism and the horrific sacrifice of the innocent for the perceived misguided notion of some greater good to be rooted out at its core so that something like this never, ever happens again. It is the same type of culture that fills history books with the woeful tales of those who blindly followed leaders no matter what heinous atrocities they committed. It is a black mark on humanity, and in this case, our Commonwealth, which the flagship state university should be focused on advancing and serving, not mired in trying to protect the legacy and operation of a sport. The later is so trivial, so needless, yet is the sad reason so many lives have been damaged and destroyed and $100s of millions wasted. Yet when you look at the actions and words of both university leaders and supporters, you realize that absolutely nothing has fundamentally changed with culture of the school, the region, and without a doubt their fans. We are from this region, we intermingle with these people, and it is our children, future, and resources that are affected. So excuse us for our indignation at this travesty when it is thrust in our face by national media and inevitably followed on by our unavoidable conspiracy theorist neighbors posting comments and performing mental gymnastics on our message boards and in news article comment sections in an attempt to defend and exonerate the indefensible. And forgive us that we react by pointing out the obvious vileness of not only what happened, but also their all too predictable responses. The whole thing makes me physically ill.

And this is my point. Instead of focusing on the football coach, why not put pressure on your state legislature to go in and completely restructure the university? I think that would be an excellent idea. Clearly, the administration of the school failed, so let the state go in and put into place a different structure that would have more accountability and transparency. Specifically, the state could put into place some sort of oversight/control for the athletic department. Take it out of the university's hands. Although Penn St I'm sure wouldn't like that, I think it would be a reasonable given the circumstances.

Thanks but I didn't mention Paterno once in my reply and I can assure you that my posts are somewhat consistent in how I view this mess.

I spent part of my life working with kids that were manipulated and abused by adults. In my opinion, the enablers rarely pay for their deeds but they are, in many ways, much worse than the monsters because they almost always have some misdirected motive that justifies their inaction. I'd say Joe does fall into that category, at least as the standard bearer of the scandal, so his and the other's inaction, should be a major talking point here. If you care about the victims this is where you start.

And I also didn't mention you in my original post. I was referring to everyone, not you specifically. Right after you posted, someone mentioned "Ped State." Every time someone does that, it's disrespectful to the victims. It makes light of their abuse.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

You just made my point for me. You want to stick it to Paterno, by your own words, because of ending the Penn St series and keeping Pitt out of the Big Ten. That shouldn't even be an issue when it comes to kids being abused.

Nothing is being said on "my" board. I'm not a Penn St fan. (Hint: Penn St is the Lions, not Tigers.)

My bad...I mistook you for a Nit fan, since your comments sound just like their comments.

Okay, I'll modify my original comment:

You're saying (above) that WE should be directing our energies toward helping the victims and preventing this from happening in the future. But if you look at the Penn State Rivals board (BWI), their fans are directing their energies toward denying that any abuse happened, threatening the reporter who broke the story, wanting to return the statue to honor the enabler, and pointing fingers of blame toward everyone except where the blame truly belongs.
Why are you lecturing US and not the Penn State fans???

And when you're done, let us know how long it took them to ban you.

 

[CrazyPaco]

And this is my point. Instead of focusing on the football coach, why not put pressure on your state legislature to go in and completely restructure the university? I think that would be an excellent idea. Clearly, the administration of the school failed, so let the state go in and put into place a different structure that would have more accountability and transparency. Specifically, the state could put into place some sort of oversight/control for the athletic department. Take it out of the university's hands. Although Penn St I'm sure wouldn't like that, I think it would be a reasonable given the circumstances.

Boy, if I had time to tell you stories about that. The legislature is completely wrapped around PSU. The legislative body is also filled with cult members and has spent tax payer money going after the NCAA to reduce the sanctions. JoePa was in thick with politicians and was perhaps as powerful as the governor at his height. Central PA is completely tone deaf and that includes the legislators and people working in all levels of government. Let's just say mounting an effort to restructure the university to have some sort of real oversight would be as effective as mounting a letter writing campaign to the Daily Collegian.

I agree focusing on JoePa isn't really the answer, but the continued focus on the defense of his legacy is a telling symptom of the problems in the region. People that weren't koolaid drinkers and lived near State College knew enough to know he was a fraud and hypocrite for decades prior to the scandal breaking. The program was also dirty in a traditional NCAA sense: paying players, academic fraud, etc., despite its "Success with Honor" banners and "Grand Experiment" pronouncements (my goodness they sold WWJD bracelets...What Would Joe Do). That's why it wasn't so much as a surprise that such subterfuge happened because of the culture of coverup was SOP there; it was just shocking for the sheer scope and how far they were willing to go no matter how heinous the skeletons were that needed burried. The problem is the continuing culture of the university and its surroundings. It is essentially worshiped and people that question how things are done are silenced quickly.

 

[OmarLittle]

You just made my point for me. You want to stick it to Paterno, by your own words, because of ending the Penn St series and keeping Pitt out of the Big Ten. That shouldn't even be an issue when it comes to kids being abused.

Nothing is being said on "my" board. I'm not a Penn St fan. (Hint: Penn St is the Lions, not Tigers.)

The entire point is yes, being the same state and an old rival we talk about it more but its not us sticking it to paterno. its everyone, Tiger.

addendum to OP for the topdecktiger
Clemson Tigers
-if the people up there had any integrity at all
they'd simply disband the team and tell everyone to pull for Temple.
completely disgusting...

Auburn Tigers
-what in the hell was Paterno thinking? Disgusting and disturbing at the same time. And to think he could have stopped this monster back in the 70's before many more were abused and raped.

-The "humble, familial" Joe Paterno probably had an ego so big that he thought whatever he said was liken to the word of God. Also, embarrassing the victims was a way to silence them.
As little respect as I have for Paul Bryant, Sr. and Nick Saban I believe they were/are better men than to try to sweep this under the table.

LSU Tigers
-Of course Paterno knew. In the 70's Paterno knew every detail of his program down to who his trainers were dating and the grades of his 3rd string tight end.
By the end, however, Paterno didn't know the name of his starting QB

-What I think is Paterno was a scumbag and a hypocrite. It is almost too bad he is dead so he can't face charges. His name and legacy, which were important to him are forever tarnished thankfully.

Missouri Tigers
-Paterno was an angry old man even when I was there....and protected the Penn State brand as if it were he who were under attack.
If the press brought up issues about football players involved in drunk and disorderly events...or rapes...or fights....Joe would tamp it all down - deny it - and take it out on the press.
Doesn't surprise me at all that he tried to keep the Sandusky thing under wraps and low key.
But he knew, he absolutely had to know.
This stuff about "Old Joe, he couldn't relate to that and probably didn't know anything about any of that" is pure and unadulterated bogus.
He knew......

Im not digging into princeton etc, although I'm pretty sure Grambling State Tigers hate the dude as well (they are the ones with the coach who has 2nd most wins of course)