Pitt fans rejoicing..

[pitt-girl]

You just made my point for me. You want to stick it to Paterno, by your own words, because of ending the Penn St series and keeping Pitt out of the Big Ten. That shouldn't even be an issue when it comes to kids being abused.

Nothing is being said on "my" board. I'm not a Penn St fan. (Hint: Penn St is the Lions, not Tigers.)



And this is my point. Instead of focusing on the football coach, why not put pressure on your state legislature to go in and completely restructure the university? I think that would be an excellent idea. Clearly, the administration of the school failed, so let the state go in and put into place a different structure that would have more accountability and transparency. Specifically, the state could put into place some sort of oversight/control for the athletic department. Take it out of the university's hands. Although Penn St I'm sure wouldn't like that, I think it would be a reasonable given the circumstances.



And I also didn't mention you in my original post. I was referring to everyone, not you specifically. Right after you posted, someone mentioned "Ped State." Every time someone does that, it's disrespectful to the victims. It makes light of their abuse.

"And this is my point. Instead of focusing on the football coach, why not put pressure on your state legislature to go in and completely restructure the university?"

PSU is not a state-owned University like the University of South Carolina or the University of Maryland. It is state-related, meaning that they receive some state appropriations and can offer lower tuition for in state residency but legally, however, the universities remain separate and private entities, operating under their own charters, governed by independent boards of trustees, and with its assets under their own ownership and control thereby retaining much of the freedom and individuality of private institutions, both administratively and academically. (For the record the University of Pittsburgh, Temple University and Lincoln University also are state-related.) The point is the state can NOT restructure the University. (Crazy Paco, correct me if I am wrong.)

 

[CrazyPaco]

"And this is my point. Instead of focusing on the football coach, why not put pressure on your state legislature to go in and completely restructure the university?"

PSU is not a state-owned University like the University of South Carolina or the University of Maryland. It is state-related, meaning that they receive some state appropriations and can offer lower tuition for in state residency but legally, however, the universities remain separate and private entities, operating under their own charters, governed by independent boards of trustees, and with its assets under their own ownership and control thereby retaining much of the freedom and individuality of private institutions, both administratively and academically. (For the record the University of Pittsburgh, Temple University and Lincoln University also are state-related.) The point is the state can NOT restructure the University.

Although the same status as a "state-related" university, PSU is a little differently construed than Temple and Pitt because of its legacy as a land grant and a historically much closer relationship with the Commonwealth. It's board is less independent with more appointees from the state and state agricultural societies, but it is true that it isn't as controlled as other traditional state universities.

Like all things, if the state wanted them to change, or accept oversight, it would simply force it down its throat by threatening to withhold appropriations. That will never happen in Pennsylvania.

 

[topdecktiger]

Boy, if I had time to tell you stories about that. The legislature is completely wrapped around PSU. The legislative body is also filled with cult members and has spent tax payer money going after the NCAA to reduce the sanctions. JoePa was in thick with politicians and was perhaps as powerful as the governor at his height. Central PA is completely tone deaf and that includes the legislators and people working in all levels of government. Let's just say mounting an effort to restructure the university to have some sort of real oversight would be as effective as mounting a letter writing campaign to the Daily Collegian.

I agree focusing on JoePa isn't really the answer, but the continued focus on the defense of his legacy is a telling symptom of the problems in the region. People that weren't koolaid drinkers and lived near State College knew enough to know he was a fraud and hypocrite for decades prior to the scandal breaking. The program was also dirty in a traditional NCAA sense: paying players, academic fraud, etc., despite its "Success with Honor" banners and "Grand Experiment" pronouncements (my goodness they sold WWJD bracelets...What Would Joe Do). That's why it wasn't so much as a surprise that such subterfuge happened because of the culture of coverup was SOP there; it was just shocking for the sheer scope and how far they were willing to go no matter how heinous the skeletons were that needed burried. The problem is the continuing culture of the university and its surroundings. It is essentially worshiped and people that question how things are done are silenced quickly.

Let's just say mounting an effort to restructure the university to have some sort of real oversight would be as effective as mounting a letter writing campaign to the Daily Collegian.

You mean about as effective as posting on here or the Penn St. board? That's what I'm getting at. The OP posted reaction from fans from several different schools. Sandusky is in jail. Paterno was fired. Spanier, Schulz, and Curry are going to trial. There is this new lawsuit that is bringing even more facts to light. The media gave in-depth reporting to the original scandal, and they are continuing to report evidence from the new trial (hence the existence of this thread in the first place). Where is all this denial that you are talking about? I realize you are referring to Penn St fans. I'm not arguing that point. What I'm telling you is, it's a waste of time and energy to try to get Penn St fans to admit it. Everybody else acknowledges the truth. That's what's important. Penn St. fans are in the minority, and it's clear. You mentioned how fruitless it is to try to get the legislature to change the university. It's even more fruitless to argue with Penn St fans. That energy would be better served trying to influence the politicians, as I said. If too many of those politicians are in Penn St's pocket, then your energy is best served by supporting challengers for office who can push through reforms. My problem is that a lot of people want Penn St fans to admit it, just for some personal satisfaction of "victory." Again, that energy would be put to better use in other places.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Let's just say mounting an effort to restructure the university to have some sort of real oversight would be as effective as mounting a letter writing campaign to the Daily Collegian.

You mean about as effective as posting on here or the Penn St. board? That's what I'm getting at. The OP posted reaction from fans from several different schools. Sandusky is in jail. Paterno was fired. Spanier, Schulz, and Curry are going to trial. There is this new lawsuit that is bringing even more facts to light. The media gave in-depth reporting to the original scandal, and they are continuing to report evidence from the new trial (hence the existence of this thread in the first place). Where is all this denial that you are talking about? I realize you are referring to Penn St fans. I'm not arguing that point. What I'm telling you is, it's a waste of time and energy to try to get Penn St fans to admit it. Everybody else acknowledges the truth. That's what's important. Penn St. fans are in the minority, and it's clear. You mentioned how fruitless it is to try to get the legislature to change the university. It's even more fruitless to argue with Penn St fans. That energy would be better served trying to influence the politicians, as I said. If too many of those politicians are in Penn St's pocket, then your energy is best served by supporting challengers for office who can push through reforms. My problem is that a lot of people want Penn St fans to admit it, just for some personal satisfaction of "victory." Again, that energy would be put to better use in other places.

Thank you for lecturing us on how to spend our free time and choosing the topics we discuss about our Commonwealth on a Pitt sports message board. Maybe you can volunteer to police what is posted on our Pitt boards by both Pitt fans and non-Pitt alike. Afterall, I've only been posting on this board since its forerunner was running in 1996, so what do I know about the topics that we should discuss about what happens in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty sure I've never shown up on a Clemson board telling people they are wasting their time discussing the Confederate flag or Ben Tillman or that their posters are wasting their time responding to points by outsiders that don't understand the internal culture.

Influencing politicians? Challengers? You have no idea what goes on in PA. So why are you here pontificating on something you obviously aren't that familiar with? Are you yourself learning something or not? That is why I post: to learn things and provide information because I know there are a lot more lurkers than posters and there are a lot of people that aren't informed on various topics of the University of Pittsburgh. If the trash cultists come here to foist their rancid drivel that flies on their own board, well we'll be damned if they try to pass their manure over here without push back. If you don't like it, you are free to read other posts or message boards.

 

[topdecktiger]

Thank you for lecturing us on how to spend our free time and choosing the topics we discuss about our Commonwealth on a Pitt sports message board. Maybe you can volunteer to police what is posted on our Pitt boards by both Pitt fans and non-Pitt alike. Afterall, I've only been posting on this board since its forerunner was running in 1996, so what do I know about the topics that we should discuss about what happens in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty sure I've never shown up on a Clemson board telling people they are wasting their time discussing the Confederate flag or Ben Tillman or that their posters are wasting their time responding to points by outsiders that don't understand the internal culture.

Influencing politicians? Challengers? You have no idea what goes on in PA. So why are you here pontificating on something you obviously aren't that familiar with? Are you yourself learning something or not? That is why I post: to learn things and provide information because I know there are a lot more lurkers than posters and there are a lot of people that aren't informed on various topics of the University of Pittsburgh. If the trash cultists come here to foist their rancid drivel that flies on their own board, well we'll be damned if they try to pass their manure over here without push back. If you don't like it, you are free to read other posts or message boards.

It's a free board. If I have an opinion on a topic, I'll post on it. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or respond to it. It cuts both ways.

I haven't seen many Penn St posters on here. Just like on a couple of other boards, I mostly see hometown fans whose only concern is cracking jokes like "Ped U," talking about Paterno, and getting sanctions for the football team. I've seen little to zero concern for the actual victims.

 

[CrazyPaco]

You think PedoU is a joke? There is nothing at all funny about that. It's an unfortunate and well earned stain.

Thanks for dropping by with your spot checks and filling out your comment card. Your well informed knowledge and thorough history of our site, school, and state shows through brightly.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

"And this is my point. Instead of focusing on the football coach, why not put pressure on your state legislature to go in and completely restructure the university?"

PSU is not a state-owned University like the University of South Carolina or the University of Maryland. It is state-related, meaning that they receive some state appropriations and can offer lower tuition for in state residency but legally, however, the universities remain separate and private entities, operating under their own charters, governed by independent boards of trustees, and with its assets under their own ownership and control thereby retaining much of the freedom and individuality of private institutions, both administratively and academically. (For the record the University of Pittsburgh, Temple University and Lincoln University also are state-related.) The point is the state can NOT restructure the University. (Crazy Paco, correct me if I am wrong.)

Another way of saying it is that "Penn State is the Sacred Cow of Pennsylvania". How ironic is it that they do have cows on their campus.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

It's a free board. If I have an opinion on a topic, I'll post on it. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or respond to it. It cuts both ways.

I haven't seen many Penn St posters on here. Just like on a couple of other boards, I mostly see hometown fans whose only concern is cracking jokes like "Ped U," talking about Paterno, and getting sanctions for the football team. I've seen little to zero concern for the actual victims.

Listen, mate, we all expressed our concern for the victims years ago. While we were expressing our concern, Penn State students were rioting and flipping over vehicles in support of re-instating Joe Paterno to his head coaching job and denying that Sandusky did it. They were praying in front of Joe's house as though it was a sacred shrine and kissing (yes, kissing!) his statue.

Were you on their board lecturing them about the victims while the riots were going on?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Boy, if I had time to tell you stories about that. The legislature is completely wrapped around PSU. The legislative body is also filled with cult members and has spent tax payer money going after the NCAA to reduce the sanctions. JoePa was in thick with politicians and was perhaps as powerful as the governor at his height. Central PA is completely tone deaf and that includes the legislators and people working in all levels of government. Let's just say mounting an effort to restructure the university to have some sort of real oversight would be as effective as mounting a letter writing campaign to the Daily Collegian.

I agree focusing on JoePa isn't really the answer, but the continued focus on the defense of his legacy is a telling symptom of the problems in the region. People that weren't koolaid drinkers and lived near State College knew enough to know he was a fraud and hypocrite for decades prior to the scandal breaking. The program was also dirty in a traditional NCAA sense: paying players, academic fraud, etc., despite its "Success with Honor" banners and "Grand Experiment" pronouncements (my goodness they sold WWJD bracelets...What Would Joe Do). That's why it wasn't so much as a surprise that such subterfuge happened because of the culture of coverup was SOP there; it was just shocking for the sheer scope and how far they were willing to go no matter how heinous the skeletons were that needed burried. The problem is the continuing culture of the university and its surroundings. It is essentially worshiped and people that question how things are done are silenced quickly.

Bingo! Perfectly said. All visiting posters from other schools in other states should be required to read this before posting or reading any Penn State posts. This should be pinned. This describes not just PSU football fans mindset, but the local and state governments AND media, who are mostly run by cult members who seemingly have full time jobs trying to continue to keep a false narrative, "Paterno's Success With Honor" alive and destroying anyone who would dare try and tear down that narrative.

 

[pittdan77]

The ironic part is that nobody really keeps making this a Paterno thing more than the Paterno's and the fans.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Let's just say mounting an effort to restructure the university to have some sort of real oversight would be as effective as mounting a letter writing campaign to the Daily Collegian.

You mean about as effective as posting on here or the Penn St. board? That's what I'm getting at. The OP posted reaction from fans from several different schools. Sandusky is in jail. Paterno was fired. Spanier, Schulz, and Curry are going to trial. There is this new lawsuit that is bringing even more facts to light. The media gave in-depth reporting to the original scandal, and they are continuing to report evidence from the new trial (hence the existence of this thread in the first place). Where is all this denial that you are talking about? I realize you are referring to Penn St fans. I'm not arguing that point. What I'm telling you is, it's a waste of time and energy to try to get Penn St fans to admit it. Everybody else acknowledges the truth. That's what's important. Penn St. fans are in the minority, and it's clear. You mentioned how fruitless it is to try to get the legislature to change the university. It's even more fruitless to argue with Penn St fans. That energy would be better served trying to influence the politicians, as I said. If too many of those politicians are in Penn St's pocket, then your energy is best served by supporting challengers for office who can push through reforms. My problem is that a lot of people want Penn St fans to admit it, just for some personal satisfaction of "victory." Again, that energy would be put to better use in other places.

You have a great point and in the end, you are right who cares what they will believe or admit. But when you have had to listen to their bullshit over the same 40 years how they are essentially the Naval Academy+Harvard+Alabama as a football program, that they win by doing it the right way, and that Pitt was a bunch of thugs and criminals....well now you may understand why Pitt fans wanting to feed this back to PSU fans until they choke.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

So there is a thread over on bwi blaming pitt fans for spurring on the celebration of ped states bad press..
Obviously I can't retort over there so I'll put it here, since half of them come here anyway.

Now bear in mind these are a few minor exerpts from just a few place I visit here and there..feel free to add your own teams, visitors.

Northwestern
-A regular triumph of the human spirit, hiding molestation for greater gridiron glory and the squeaky clean program image. You want clean? Not in the PSU showers.
The death penalty was the right thing to do. But it is always "opposite" day at the NCAA offices.

-In his defense, he only knew for, like, 35 years. It must have been weighing on him.
Get that statue back where it belongs.

WVU
- I think WVU should tear up its contract in 2023-2024 with this school. If not, fans should boycott the game. And to think the NCAA thought PSU was so in the clear that it pulled back the sanctions last year.

-It's all a massive conspiracy. Sandusky is innocent. Just ask the folks in Happy Valley. That's why Paterno knew nothing. That's why Curley knew nothing. That's why Spanier knew nothing.

That's why no one up there knew anything even after McQueery saw a child being sodomised by Samdusky in the shower of the Lasche Building. And the fact that PSU had 4 losing seasons in 5 years from 2000-2004 seasons is totally a coincidence as to why this never happenned and no one up there ever knew anything.

It's just like OJ. It was all a conspiracy against a totally innocent man.

Texas
-I'm generally in the bandwagon of "who gives a $#@! about vacated wins", but if there was ever a time for it, it was stripping wins to put a big $#@!ing asterisk next to the winningest coach evah, especially when a lot of the defense of his inaction is "how was he supposed to know that he was supposed to do something about his buddy/coach putting his $#@! inside little kids? He was too old! Too old!"

-Tell you what, if they don't like the screwing they think they're getting, they ought to do what other such victims did -- report it to JoePa, and wait for the problem to be solved. Just go over to his grave, holler your problems at it, and then wait for the dead JoePa to do EXACTLY as much to protect sex abuse victims as the live JoePa did. You created your God. Now do as all good disciples should do, and pray to Him for deliverance. And see how that works out for you.

Miami
-I don't have a dog in this fight but how can ANYONE BELIEVE Paterno was not somehow involved in the same disgusting crap Sandusky was, they were "BEST FRIENDS" even traveled together after their respective grand jury testimony, I just FEEL for those poor KIDS whose lives were RUINED by this SCUM! PEDTURDO RIH!
Go Canes!

-I can't believe they are still in denial over on the PSU board. For goodness sake if you glaze over all the facts you'd have to at least come away with someone was covering up something for a long long time. SMH.

Michigan
-The stories from the victims at Sandusky's trial were stomach-turning. Just a living hell in Happy Valley for so many little boys. Disturbing is not a strong enough word.

-Makes me sick when I think about them in the B1G and we are associated with them by conference.

Just swap 'em out with some other team during the next conference expansion. Pitt would be a great replacement.

Iowa
-Disgraceful. Boot them from the B1G.
-Get rid of them along with Rutgers. Stay at 12.
-PSU football program should be removed permanently.
-The BIG doesnt need this....good bye
-The PROGRAM is what enabled it. People valued football over protecting kids.
wouldnt surprise me if Joe Pa and/or some of the other coaches and admin were involved in the abuse.

Rutgers (only went 1 page deep in the 10+ page main thread)
-I wish nothing good for that school or their fan base ever again.
-The damning evidence is that this kid -- way back in 1972 -- told a friend that he had been raped by that freak, and how it was reported to Penn State and Paterno. This friend, an independent witness, has verified the story.
I know I shouldn't have but I went on to the Penn State board. All I can say is those delusional clowns.
Is there any way the Big can send Penn State to the ACC? Trade them for Pitt. We should keep the cheaters and pedophiles together.
Penn State should change its' mascot from lion to ostrich.

But....I thought, according to them, we don't have any fans. How could 11 people, according to them, be stirring a pot?

 

[Mthomas]

plain and simple

Ped State Sucks

been sayin that for years

it was dead on

Hail to Pitt

 

[Old School1]

Thankfully I was never at a Nitter tailgate but those JoePa costomes and the pair of pants with no body or head are kind of sick!
I guess most of the participants are a little twisted also.
Good thing thing the zipper on those JoePa pants was zipped up or you never know what those Nitter cult people might be doing??

 

[pitt-girl]

The ironic part is that nobody really keeps making this a Paterno thing more than the Paterno's and the fans.

Is that a real person in the first picture because the mask or makeup looks REALLY creepy.

 

[Old School1]

Is that a real person in the first picture because the mask or makeup looks REALLY creepy.

A Nitter tailgate looks like an annex of Ripley's Believe It Or Not???