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Pitt Loses Recruit To Cincinnati

I don't follow recruiting all
that much (maybe Vader
can help), but for some
reason I felt just maybe,
with this player from
Philly. He's Daniel Skillings
a 4 star from Roman
Catholic h.s. That's where
Brad Wannamaker played
his h.s. ball.

When Chambers was at
PSU, he closed on a few
Roman Cath. players. He's
gone now, and this isn't
like Pitt losing a football
player to PSU.

I know we have one very
good recruit so far, but
Capel needs to land a
lot more than that this
yr. There's still time, but
it needs to happen.

According to BballinsiderfromPitt, the November signing period is pointless. Most kids will get out of their LOI so we will land him in May. Capel isnt stupid. He knows the November period doesn't mean anything so he is deliberately trying to sign as few players as possible so he can hit paydirt in May when everyone gets out of their LOI
 
I'm not following the following the covid as an excuse thing that others are hung up on.

Covid did impact a lot but that's not an excuse rather just a fact.

It affected everyone , I just think it made it harder for those trying to lift themselves up .

This will be JCs 4th season , time is running out for excuses he needs to show progress this season .

Getting Mintz is a step in the right direction in recruiting , let’s at least see who else he lands and how the young guys play progress before bitching !
 
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Bullshit I never said that. I, like many others were tired of early NCAA exits. I also have posted on here many times recently that I was too hard on Dixon given what has happened since to the BBall program.
Fair enough.
 
It affected everyone , I just think it made it harder for those trying to lift themselves up .

This will be JCs 4th season , time is running out for excuses he needs to show progress this season .

Getting Mintz is a step in the right direction in recruiting , let’s at least see who else he lands and how the young guys play progress before bitching !
This is pretty much where I’m at.

need some Ws this year and willing to see how we play as a team.

still a young team heading into this season but I think we have nice depth.

Biggest questions are in the starting lineup though.

How does big John play in a full season?

Can Jeffress score?

Who fills the Champ rebounding gap?

Can anyone shoot consistently from 3?

Will Femi make FT or continue on his Shaq like pace ?
 
This is pretty much where I’m at.

need some Ws this year and willing to see how we play as a team.

still a young team heading into this season but I think we have nice depth.

Biggest questions are in the starting lineup though.

How does big John play in a full season?

Can Jeffress score?

Who fills the Champ rebounding gap?

Can anyone shoot consistently from 3?

Will Femi make FT or continue on his Shaq like pace ?
Those are good questions we
all are wondering about. I'll
give it a try.

- Big John will rebound and score
better than both Brown and
Coulibaly. Some rust, but I
feel he'll play with a "chip."

- Yes. Jeffress can score. I expect
his talent will show. He'll at least
double his pts. from last yr.

_ No one player will fill the " Champ
rebounding gap." It'll be done by
committee. The C position alone
will rebound better than last yr.

- The three pt. shooting should be
better. Horton is no longer new
at Pitt and I expect him to be
our main 3 ptr. Sibande and
Femii wil be better. The wings?
I'm not gonna take a guess.

_ Femi's ft's...I gotta believe he's
worked all off season on ft's
so I expect improvement
there.

The question you didn't ask:
How well can Capel get these
new pieces to blend with the
old?
 
Certain players that we wasted a lot of time with earlier in the year and in the spring didnt perform over the summer. You can start with Rivals.com who had Shawn Phillips ranked in the Top 40 pre-summer which was a total disaster of a ranking. Phillips isnt close to being a Top 100 level player and they didn't drop him out of the top 150 just to save face. He was a disaster this summer.

A ton of players were massively underrated and overrated. Look at Barlow and Dunn as two prime examples of players nobody was targeting earlier this year and everybody was targeting late summer.

So, are you saying Capel and his staff were evaluating and recruiting players based on their early rankings by recruiting services, and therefore “wasted a lot of time” on guys who turned out not to be very good? Because if that is true, the entire staff should have been fired yesterday.
 
So, are you saying Capel and his staff were evaluating and recruiting players based on their early rankings by recruiting services, and therefore “wasted a lot of time” on guys who turned out not to be very good? Because if that is true, the entire staff should have been fired yesterday.
You do realize that these kids are 15 & 16 yr old ( and younger ) when they’re initially targeted !
 
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Vader in every thread....

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i actually think he’s been more reasoned and accurate than those he’s debating with. Posters channel their anger towards him mistakenly
 
So, are you saying Capel and his staff were evaluating and recruiting players based on their early rankings by recruiting services, and therefore “wasted a lot of time” on guys who turned out not to be very good? Because if that is true, the entire staff should have been fired yesterday.

Barlow had zero power 5 offers and 4 months later he’s playing pro ball. You think Pitts to blame? Or maybe, Pitt was the first school out of 200 some to realize his talent
 
i actually think he’s been more reasoned and accurate than those he’s debating with. Posters channel their anger towards him mistakenly
He must spend a hell of a
lot of time going to h.s.
games/tourney's/events
etc. He picks up a lot of
info and therefore is a
source that this board
wouldn't have without
him. IMO he does this
pretty well.

Where I've criticized him
is his actual Bball knowledge,
experience and overuse of
certain stats like ORTG. If
posters pay attention on
here it becomes clear who
has played, coached, or done
both as opposed to those
just making noise.
 
Thanks, I asked for your
opinion on this player.
Good job with the background
info. If all this is true, I can
see why Capel may have
backed off, if in fact he did.
My other point remains true
though.....other than Mintz
Capel isn't landing anyone
of significance.

And Mintz coming to Pitt isn't a sure thing by any stretch. When I see him in a Pitt uniform and on the court, I'll believe he is a Pitt commit. This recruiting stuff is just too fickle to me.

Assuming Capel does land Mintz, I agree with your assessment. Other than Mintz, he hasn't landed anyone else of note that could potentially help the program in the next 2 years. And he's not high on anyone's list to land someone of significance. It's time for Capel to land a decent recruiting class...NOW. Not next year, this year.
 
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And Mintz coming to Pitt isn't a sure thing by any stretch. When I see him in a Pitt uniform and on the court, I'll believe he is a Pitt commit. This recruiting stuff is just too fickle to me.

Assuming Capel does land Mintz, I agree with your assessment. Other than Mintz, he hasn't landed anyone else of note that could potentially help the program in the next 2 years. And he's not high on anyone's list to land someone of significance. It's time for Capel to land a decent recruiting class...NOW. Not next year, this year.
Then why worry about any the guys not committing to Pitt ?
 
And Mintz coming to Pitt isn't a sure thing by any stretch. When I see him in a Pitt uniform and on the court, I'll believe he is a Pitt commit. This recruiting stuff is just too fickle to me.

Assuming Capel does land Mintz, I agree with your assessment. Other than Mintz, he hasn't landed anyone else of note that could potentially help the program in the next 2 years. And he's not high on anyone's list to land someone of significance. It's time for Capel to land a decent recruiting class...NOW. Not next year, this year.

I can’t say enough how important it is for this staff to recruit Mintz like he’s still uncommitted until he gets on campus. With his jump over the summer, I’d be stunned if there aren’t some vultures hovering and waiting to see if he wavers over the next several months. He’s the only real game changing talent we have, either in the program or on the way, so I just hope that this staff takes nothing for granted and stays on him through next summer
 
i actually think he’s been more reasoned and accurate than those he’s debating with. Posters channel their anger towards him mistakenly
He's mostly a good read. But, he gets the heat he gets because he stongly posts or insinuates that a lot of these kids are strong Pitt leans.

People are frustrated because of all the misses the last two years, but also a very clear pattern where the vibes they are sending out to people around them is they are in really good shape with players who end up going somewhere else.

If he dropped the cheerleader/politbureau act hed get a lot less grief.
 
He's mostly a good read. But, he gets the heat he gets because he stongly posts or insinuates that a lot of these kids are strong Pitt leans.

People are frustrated because of all the misses the last two years, but also a very clear pattern where the vibes they are sending out to people around them is they are in really good shape with players who end up going somewhere else.

If he dropped the cheerleader/politbureau act hed get a lot less grief.

Generally Ill let things like this slide as its a waste of time, but Im going to prove my point this time.

This was in regard to Jarrod West as a recent example. I warned this board multiple times Louisville was coming after him hard, and here is a link to prove it.

It was bballinsider that said

a) West is a lock to Pitt
b) everyone else not named Pitt with regard to West is window dressing and no one else wants him


If you want to take what I say out of context that is on you. If a kid takes 3 Official visits and we are one of them, the kid is going to choose between 1 of those 3 schools, just like Dunn did and Skillings did. If any kid takes an official OV, there is legit interest of some degree on both sides.

Saying Pitt has a strong chance with someone vs is a lock are 2 different things. I rarely say lock, if ever. And if you think otherwise, by all means, you and any other sleuth and go through my post timeline of unedited posts.








BballinsiderfromPitt said:
Only other time I said 🔒 was a week before Collier’s commitment. I mean cmon Mark! Can i get some energy for being positive here!!!
Response by me:

If you are sure Ill take your word for it for now. Although I know he is / was very serious with Louisville as he has spoken to both Mack and Pegues.


 
It affected everyone , I just think it made it harder for those trying to lift themselves up .

This will be JCs 4th season , time is running out for excuses he needs to show progress this season .

Getting Mintz is a step in the right direction in recruiting , let’s at least see who else he lands and how the young guys play progress before bitching !
This is exactly right. Some programs at the moment have to rely on on campus visits compared to others. That’s just a fact when it comes to Pitt, Pittsburgh, and Jeff Capel.
 
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Generally Ill let things like this slide as its a waste of time, but Im going to prove my point this time.

This was in regard to Jarrod West as a recent example. I warned this board multiple times Louisville was coming after him hard, and here is a link to prove it.

It was bballinsider that said

a) West is a lock to Pitt
b) everyone else not named Pitt with regard to West is window dressing and no one else wants him


If you want to take what I say out of context that is on you. If a kid takes 3 Official visits and we are one of them, the kid is going to choose between 1 of those 3 schools, just like Dunn did and Skillings did. If any kid takes an official OV, there is legit interest of some degree on both sides.

Saying Pitt has a strong chance with someone vs is a lock are 2 different things. I rarely say lock, if ever. And if you think otherwise, by all means, you and any other sleuth and go through my post timeline of unedited posts.









Response by me:

If you are sure Ill take your word for it for now. Although I know he is / was very serious with Louisville as he has spoken to both Mack and Pegues.


Yeah, your right. You get all the grief you get because your just too great.

What I posted is honest feedback. Take it into account if you like or continue to be you and catch grief.
 
Yeah, your right. You get all the grief you get because your just too great.

What I posted is honest feedback. Take it into account if you like or continue to be you and catch grief.

he didn’t say he’s always right.

Jeff you’re great but you gave him honest feedback he’s allowed to retort.
 
he didn’t say he’s always right.

Jeff you’re great but you gave him honest feedback he’s allowed to retort.
Good post, and jeff made
good points also. I've often
criticized Vader, but lately
he's doing much better. He's
not over the top with guaranteed
verbals to Pitt any more ,
and he's lightened up on the
useless stats like ORTG
He gives us info because he's
tied into the recruiting world.
Let's give him a little slack.
 
Yeah, your right. You get all the grief you get because your just too great.

What I posted is honest feedback. Take it into account if you like or continue to be you and catch grief.
What would you like to see @Vader_Storm do regarding others inability to understand the English language?
 
he didn’t say he’s always right.

Jeff you’re great but you gave him honest feedback he’s allowed to retort.
I understand why he gets slagged, that was just another bump to try to let it sink in. I'm done.
 
Capel reminds me of a guy who hits 40 hrs in A ball .Then gets a big chance at AAA ,and can't bat over .100.Maybe he just don't have it.
 
And Mintz coming to Pitt isn't a sure thing by any stretch. When I see him in a Pitt uniform and on the court, I'll believe he is a Pitt commit. This recruiting stuff is just too fickle to me.

Assuming Capel does land Mintz, I agree with your assessment. Other than Mintz, he hasn't landed anyone else of note that could potentially help the program in the next 2 years. And he's not high on anyone's list to land someone of significance. It's time for Capel to land a decent recruiting class...NOW. Not next year, this year.
It is as sure of a thing as there is. Just because we aren’t recruiting others well does not mean Mintz is not coming here. The paranoia of our fans is over the top.
 
It is as sure of a thing as there is. Just because we aren’t recruiting others well does not mean Mintz is not coming here. The paranoia of our fans is over the top.
Maybe, but the point still stands that there are no "locks" or "committed" until that player is in uniform. Its a different age in a different time and unfortunately someones word does not mean much.
 
It is as sure of a thing as there is. Just because we aren’t recruiting others well does not mean Mintz is not coming here. The paranoia of our fans is over the top.

We're talking about goofy, fickle kids here. I hope you realize that. They hardly know what they had for breakfast. You expect them to honor a commitment?

I stand by what I said. When I see him in a Pitt uniform and actually on the court, I'll believe we have his commitment. Then it will probably be for only a year because of the transfer portal. The naivete of our fans is over the top.
 
We're talking about goofy, fickle kids here. I hope you realize that. They hardly know what they had for breakfast. You expect them to honor a commitment?

I stand by what I said. When I see him in a Pitt uniform and actually on the court, I'll believe we have his commitment. Then it will probably be for only a year because of the transfer portal. The naivete of our fans is over the top.

As is your cynicism and contempt for student athletes.
 
As is your cynicism and contempt for student athletes.

Oh go take your garbage somewhere else. It falls on deaf ears here.

And quit calling these kids "student-athletes". That gives real students a bad name. A small minority of them, with the possible exception of athletes in the Ivys or a couple of other schools (not Pitt), are true students first and athletes second. Most are there purely for the sports part. Yes, Pitt likely has some true students on their football team. But they're extremely rare.
 
Oh go take your garbage somewhere else. It falls on deaf ears here.

And quit calling these kids "student-athletes". That gives real students a bad name. A small minority of them, with the possible exception of athletes in the Ivys or a couple of other schools (not Pitt), are true students first and athletes second. Most are there purely for the sports part. Yes, Pitt likely has some true students on their football team. But they're extremely rare.

Thank you for providing my point.
 
Oh go take your garbage somewhere else. It falls on deaf ears here.

And quit calling these kids "student-athletes". That gives real students a bad name. A small minority of them, with the possible exception of athletes in the Ivys or a couple of other schools (not Pitt), are true students first and athletes second. Most are there purely for the sports part. Yes, Pitt likely has some true students on their football team. But they're extremely rare.
There’s a kid on the basketball team right now, on scholarship, who’s gotten straight A’s for like his entire life.
 
There’s a kid on the basketball team right now, on scholarship, who’s gotten straight A’s for like his entire life.

So that's the rule rather than the exception? Like I said, even at Pitt, there are exceptions. But good for him if he's done that and is a starter to boot. Who is it? And what is he studying?
 
Just so I'm on the record....it's not that I'm cynical about these Pitt sports program for no reason at all. Over the past 30 years or so, I've given thousands and thousands of $$$ to Pitt in one form or another, much of it to the athletic programs. With the results I've seen, other than 10 years in the hoops program, I've not seen results indicative of or commensurate with the level of giving I've had. I no longer contribute to Pitt athletics and only contribute to Pitt academic programs and research. That's what's really important. I don't have that kind of money to throw it away. I'd rather use it for travel with my wife and on my boys and grandchildren.

Sorry if that hurts peoples' feelings. I have to look at priorities and Pitt sports is now way down the list. With the freebees these kids are getting in athletics, they'll live, with or without my money.
 
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So that's the rule rather than the exception? Like I said, even at Pitt, there are exceptions. But good for him if he's done that and is a starter to boot. Who is it? And what is he studying?
Will Jeffress. That’s why he was the youngest freshman in the ACC in a generation - kid graduated high school a year early with a 4.0. And, to be honest, the basketball team usually has a couple guys end up on the ACC all-academic team, and a bunch of guys were on the ACC honor roll. They do a pretty nice job in the classroom.
 
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Cincinnati has been a better program pretty much every year for the last decade. It’s not that far fetched to lose a recruit to them given the current state of our program.
To 17 year old kids, Cincy seems like a blue blood in basketball and football compared to Pitt. These young kids don't dig into history
 
I'm glad to "provide" your point. I swear, this board is full of illiterates. I'm sorry if you hate facts and reality.
Thanks for pointing out my auto-correct typo. Really strengthens your point.

You regularly come here and express contempt for student athletes. Meanwhile, I thought you stopped watching Pitt sports.
 
Will Jeffress. That’s why he was the youngest freshman in the ACC in a generation - kid graduated high school a year early with a 4.0. And, to be honest, the basketball team usually has a couple guys end up on the ACC all-academic team, and a bunch of guys were on the ACC honor roll. They do a pretty nice job in the classroom.

That's good for Will. I agree that the hoops team usually has a couple of guys who excel academically, and that's all good. But again, this is the exception, not the rule. 90% of these kids are there for one thing...sports. And of those, 99% of that 90% won't ever play a sport outside of college. The Will Jeffress of the world need to take their academic prowess and get their degrees in something to help them make a productive living after college that isn't sports.
 
That's good for Will. I agree that the hoops team usually has a couple of guys who excel academically, and that's all good. But again, this is the exception, not the rule. 90% of these kids are there for one thing...sports. And of those, 99% of that 90% won't ever play a sport outside of college. The Will Jeffress of the world need to take their academic prowess and get their degrees in something to help them make a productive living after college that isn't sports.
I’m sure he will. Upbringing is important. Some might call it privilege, but I don’t see it that way. The kid has good hardworking parents who worked hard in their careers and worked hard at parenting.
 
I’m sure he will. Upbringing is important. Some might call it privilege, but I don’t see it that way. The kid has good hardworking parents who worked hard in their careers and worked hard at parenting.

Yep. Obviously, Will is a great kid and I can definitely root for someone like that.
 
That's good for Will. I agree that the hoops team usually has a couple of guys who excel academically, and that's all good. But again, this is the exception, not the rule. 90% of these kids are there for one thing...sports. And of those, 99% of that 90% won't ever play a sport outside of college. The Will Jeffress of the world need to take their academic prowess and get their degrees in something to help them make a productive living after college that isn't sports.
Pitt ACC Honor Roll Selections

Year – Total
2020-21 – 316 *
2019-20 – 277
2018-19 – 230
2017-18 – 245
2016-17 – 240
2015-16 – 244
2014-15 – 246
2013-14 – 213

But don't let the facts get in the way of good ole rant...
 
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