Pitt Portal Updates

[DC_Area_Panther]

Having alumni donors and donor groups gathering contributions to use for "NIL" payments is a corruption of the intent of NIL.

The NCAA should prohibit alumni and fan fund raising for "NIL" payments and prohibit payment to players of any so-called "NIL" money not directly traceable to either (1) the actual sale of replica player jerseys (and similar items) or (2) from players personally making TV, radio, billboard product endorsements at the usual and customary rates.

Not likely to happen; but, we can dream!

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

Already reported but Donovan McMillon transfers to Pitt. Good add with Voss, maybe Hill leaving.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Having alumni donors and donor groups gathering contributions to use for "NIL" payments is a corruption of the intent of NIL.

The NCAA should prohibit alumni and fan fund raising for "NIL" payments and prohibit payment to players of any so-called "NIL" money not directly traceable to either (1) the actual sale of replica player jerseys (and similar items) or (2) from players personally making TV, radio, billboard product endorsements at the usual and customary rates.

Not likely to happen; but, we can dream!

How do you ban one LLC but not other LLCs?!?
How about you just stop worrying about kids getting paid , instead of the schools cashing in on them?

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

How do you ban one LLC but not other LLCs?!?
How about you just stop worrying about kids getting paid , instead of the schools cashing in on them?

Just like the IRS bans analogous things where transactions are not arms-length and do not represent fair market value based on sales revenues.

My concern isn't about the players getting paid--just how much and by whom. My concern is about preventing the "blue-bloods" having too much larger a recruiting advantage than they have previously had.

But, as I said to begin with, I don't believe any change for the better will happen because the NCAA has no spine and never has had one.

 

[pittdan77]

Having alumni donors and donor groups gathering contributions to use for "NIL" payments is a corruption of the intent of NIL.

The NCAA should prohibit alumni and fan fund raising for "NIL" payments and prohibit payment to players of any so-called "NIL" money not directly traceable to either (1) the actual sale of replica player jerseys (and similar items) or (2) from players personally making TV, radio, billboard product endorsements at the usual and customary rates.

Not likely to happen; but, we can dream!

They aren't stopping it because they'll lose in court over that one, too.

 

[PittPharm2002]

They aren't stopping it because they'll lose in court over that one, too.

It’s not more complicated than that

 

[BFo8]

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Wow, Kirby Smart wins again.

 

[NCanton Panther]

How do you ban one LLC but not other LLCs?!?
How about you just stop worrying about kids getting paid , instead of the schools cashing in on them?

I’m mot worried about it in the slightest but have similarly questioned these NIL groups. This was supposed to be the college athletes being able to get compensated selling their name, image or likeness to a company, that then benefits by using that NIL to market or promote their product or service.

But if it’s just a hodgepodge group of individuals or businesses forming these NIL groups, where’s the supposed marketing or promoting of the athletes NIL to benefit a given business.

Again, not worried in the slightest just curious how that isn’t logically concluded to be nothing more than pay to play which is supposedly disallowed.

 

[pittdan77]

Again, not worried in the slightest just curious how that isn’t logically concluded to be nothing more than pay to play which is supposedly disallowed.

The courts have already signaled that the NCAA is going to lose if they enforce the rule. Only recourse is for congress to do something to grant the NCAA special legal status but that probably isn't happening.

 

[h2p_5150]

The Supreme Court did the judicial equivalent of taunting the NCAA in their decision to allow NIL. Kavanaughs opinion was an open request for other parties to bring suit against the NCAA and win. The NCAA is a farce and has no legal justification to prevent college athletes from being paid. They will get humiliated, again, if they try to enforce rules against "pay for play."

A court ruled thus week that classifying players as "student-athletes" and denying them employee organizing rights is a labor violation. NIL is only the beginning of the long overdue death of the NCAA.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Again, not worried in the slightest just curious how that isn’t logically concluded to be nothing more than pay to play which is supposedly disallowed.

Which is exactly why the thought that schools aren't permitted to do anything NIL related is ridiculous. Many ADs and coaches are actively lobbying donations for bogus NIL collectives that are nothing more than pay for play entities.

The school can't directly setup the fund, but they can certainly advocate and direct their boosters to donate to the ones that are setup.

 

[NCanton Panther]

The courts have already signaled that the NCAA is going to lose if they enforce the rule. Only recourse is for congress to do something to grant the NCAA special legal status but that probably isn't happening.

I agree with you in what the courts would likely do but just as a point of clarification, saying that ‘if the NCAA enforces the rule……’ makes it sound like these NIL laws were created by the NCAA whereas they were actually established by the individual states, California being the 1st I believe.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Wow, Kirby Smart wins again.

Well, they are playing in the playoff. Who would put there name in the portal now and miss out on that?

To get an accurate number for them you are going to have to wait until much later in the cycle.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I’m mot worried about it in the slightest but have similarly questioned these NIL groups. This was supposed to be the college athletes being able to get compensated selling their name, image or likeness to a company, that then benefits by using that NIL to market or promote their product or service.

But if it’s just a hodgepodge group of individuals or businesses forming these NIL groups, where’s the supposed marketing or promoting of the athletes NIL to benefit a given business.

Again, not worried in the slightest just curious how that isn’t logically concluded to be nothing more than pay to play which is supposedly disallowed.

Not my concern -
If companies want to throw their money away it’s not skin off my nose

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Well, they are playing in the playoff. Who would put there name in the portal now and miss out on that?

To get an accurate number for them you are going to have to wait until much later in the cycle.

True - a championship ring plus all the other freebies will make it worth waiting an extra 3-4 weeks.

 

[pittdan77]

I agree with you in what the courts would likely do but just as a point of clarification, saying that ‘if the NCAA enforces the rule……’ makes it sound like these NIL laws were created by the NCAA whereas they were actually established by the individual states, California being the 1st I believe.

To some extent. Not every state has one and they're not uniform but if there is a law, it's out of the NCAA's hands at that point. You can't really enforce rules/laws in one place and not another. That's the state's problem.

 

[thebadby2]

So because the NCAA has screwed up for decades you want kids (your word) to suffer?

You must have a very broad definition of "suffering". That term used to apply to malnourished people in underdeveloped countries. Now we're applying it to pampered 18 year olds kids who live like kings at the fine 4 year universities they attend for free--and that's without any NIL kickers.

 

[BFo8]

Well, they are playing in the playoff. Who would put there name in the portal now and miss out on that?

To get an accurate number for them you are going to have to wait until much later in the cycle.

Good point, even for guys who plan on leaving it makes sense to wait.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Good point, even for guys who plan on leaving it makes sense to wait.

Yeah, if you are a backup there now and you are thinking about leaving to go someplace else to play, waiting a few more weeks and seeing if you can be on a championship wining team is definitely the way to go.

 

[redbyrds]

Wow, Kirby Smart wins again.

No. It is because his kids are playing for a Natty and will enter the portal after their season is done. They will also have 10 before it is all over.

 

[BFo8]

No. It is because his kids are playing for a Natty and will enter the portal after their season is done. They will also have 10 before it is all over.

Correct, I did not do the advanced thinking on this. Without looking assume TCU, Michigan, and Ohio St have similar numbers.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

You must have a very broad definition of "suffering". That term used to apply to malnourished people in underdeveloped countries. Now we're applying it to pampered 18 year olds kids who live like kings at the fine 4 year universities they attend for free--and that's without any NIL kickers.

Absolutely. Players at the giant programs that roll in money do deserve more than they receive. Those struggling and running at a loss, which is most, I’m ambivalent. I am bitter / angry that the coaches can be paid so much despite sucking. But those players at those schools are still living fantasy dream lives vs most of their peers, both those in school and not.

I do respect their seeking all they can get, being the American way and all. But I don’t feel the least bit sorry for them, and in fact I’ve eaten my heart out forever regarding athletes (and musicians, actors, etc) who are able to make their living (even temporarily, which I realize is the case for most college players) doing a frivolous activity. They get at least four years of very highly valued tuition, room, board, books/media, supplies, and numerous other perks and privileges that normal slobs in the school don’t get (and in fact, they are paying for the players to get). What a glorious situation, before even a dime of NIL might enter the equation.

 

[buckage]

You must have a very broad definition of "suffering". That term used to apply to malnourished people in underdeveloped countries. Now we're applying it to pampered 18 year olds kids who live like kings at the fine 4 year universities they attend for free--and that's without any NIL kickers.

Yes, when this money can change lives of kids and their families taking it from them would be suffering.

 

[gerrypitt]

The Supreme Court did the judicial equivalent of taunting the NCAA in their decision to allow NIL. Kavanaughs opinion was an open request for other parties to bring suit against the NCAA and win. The NCAA is a farce and has no legal justification to prevent college athletes from being paid. They will get humiliated, again, if they try to enforce rules against "pay for play."

A court ruled thus week that classifying players as "student-athletes" and denying them employee organizing rights is a labor violation. NIL is only the beginning of the long overdue death of the NCAA.

And the death of college sports. If players are getting paid just watch the pros

 

[PantherDDS]

Having alumni donors and donor groups gathering contributions to use for "NIL" payments is a corruption of the intent of NIL.

The NCAA should prohibit alumni and fan fund raising for "NIL" payments and prohibit payment to players of any so-called "NIL" money not directly traceable to either (1) the actual sale of replica player jerseys (and similar items) or (2) from players personally making TV, radio, billboard product endorsements at the usual and customary rates.

Not likely to happen; but, we can dream!

NIL is sliding into “ pay to play”, especially for higher rated players, both high school and those in the portal. That why I am not as optimistic as some on this Site about this new system being really good for Pitt. Hope I am wrong.

 

[cashisking884]

NIL is sliding into “ pay to play”, especially for higher rated players, both high school and those in the portal. That why I am not as optimistic as some on this Site about this new system being really good for Pitt. Hope I am wrong.

I don’t think it’s going to be really good or really bad.

There’s a few teams like Miami and Lville and USC and TA&M that look like they will maybe see an elevated recruiting benefit compared to where they were pre-NIL. A few teams like Michigan that maybe will be worse. And then maybe the elevation of the Miamis and Lville’s results in a slight degrading of the Alabamas as being so far everybody else since they are thinned out a little.

But everybody else probably remains about the same.

 

[thebadby2]

I don’t think it’s going to be really good or really bad.

There’s a few teams like Miami and Lville and USC and TA&M that look like they will maybe see an elevated recruiting benefit compared to where they were pre-NIL. A few teams like Michigan that maybe will be worse. And then maybe the elevation of the Miamis and Lville’s results in a slight degrading of the Alabamas as being so far everybody else since they are thinned out a little.

But everybody else probably remains about the same.

Schools like Michigan, OSU, Texas, USC or ND have collective alumni wealth that dwarfs the schools you mention (outside of A&M which is a mediocre academic institution but has always been oil rich) as seeing an uptick. If the football programs at the wealthiest schools successfully lobby their wealthiest alumni to get in the NIL game, shitbox schools like Miami or Louisville would never be able to touch them.

 

[cashisking884]

Schools like Michigan, OSU, Texas, USC or ND have collective alumni wealth that dwarfs the schools you mention (outside of A&M which is a mediocre academic institution but has always been oil rich) as seeing an uptick. If the football programs at the wealthiest schools successfully lobby their wealthiest alumni to get in the NIL game, shitbox schools like Miami or Louisville would never be able to touch them.

Sure. What you can in theory do, is different than what what you are doing.

I’m only speaking to what we are currently seeing as winners and losers. I don’t think there are many teams I’d put in either category. It’s all about the same, except for a few.

 

[thebadby2]

Sure. What you can in theory do, is different than what what you are doing.

I’m only speaking to what we are currently seeing as winners and losers. I don’t think there are many teams I’d put in either category. It’s all about the same, except for a few.

College football as an institution is the big loser.

 

[New York Panther]

Morgan leaving hurts

It hurts and it is also puzzling. Although John has gotten a lot of playing time over the past few seasons, he has never been a starter. Next year would have finally been his year to be a starter, but now he leaves. Go figure.

 

[GregInPitt]

Good point, even for guys who plan on leaving it makes sense to wait.

It only makes sense to wait if you are a top player, or you value waiting for something likel playing in the playoff. Those that wait will find that there are very few openings remaining at the top school destinations, as the top schools will have their choice of the early entries into the portal and will look to fill their position needs early if there are players available that look like they are good fits. Teams want to get players signed and enrolled for the 2nd semester so they can participate in winter workouts and spring practices. And with so many of the top players entering the portal from less competitive schools there are only so many spots at top destinations where players get more exposure for the NFL and possibly more NIL. Musical chairs with lots of players and a lot less chairs.