Holstein
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Holstein will go down in Pitt history as a great “what if?” type story. From second half of Cincinnati game to California game, about 14 quarters, of good football including a memorable win over WVU. He was the second coming of Marino remember? Concussions are going to limit his career and when he does play he’s going to be tentative. He won’t be QB here next year. Fun while it lasted.
I call bullshit on this one . The kid is only 19 years old and has a lot of maturing and learning to do .
There was a reason Bama recruited him .
Whether he gets lured away due to F'n NIL is an entire different story ..
He has become a ton cheaper for Pitt to keep. If you are a big school, has he shown enough over this season to give him some big money contract?
Michigan doesn’t have a QB, and lost their kid in this class. So their got to be shopping, depends on the market
This season ? No . If he develops like we hope you bet your ass the sharks will be circling ..
Also, I think schools are going to be a lot more cautious with their spending. Look at FSU wasting money on DJU after one good season at Oregon St. That signing made no sense to me especially after they already saw him struggle in the same conference with Clemson.
Holstein is decent but definitely not worth throwing a lot of money to lure.
Like FSU though, there's always a coach or school out there that makes a silly move.
I don't think the concussions have anything to do with it. He's just not that good. I see it all the time in college football. These freshman quarterbacks come in and are a jolt of energy. They air it out all over the field and it works out. Fans think they're the next big thing.
Then the breaks stop going their way. The defenses adjust and force them to actually make reads/take away their favorite tendencies. They get hit around a bit and have to alter their game to not take as many hits. Etc.
They're literally all over the country every single year. The feelings Pitt fans had about Hosltein earlier this season are the same West Virginia had about Garrett Greene. They're the same Nebraska had about Adrian Martinez. Virginia Tech about Drones. Miami about like 15 dual threat quarterbacks. Miami about Van Dyke. Virginia about Armstrong. Clemson about DJU. It just happens all the time all over college football. And some fans will never be able to accept reality, because they saw him do it for a while.
He cant be worth more now that what Pitt can pay. If he has a good sophomore season, maybe you lose him but right now, he's not going to command a salary that Pitt cant afford.
Holstein doesn't need to put up video game numbers and he can still win a lot of games. On paper, IMO, this year's QB draft class looks really bad, yet those QBs can win a lot of games in college even though they aren't great QBs. We also don't allow for any time to develop and the first stretch of struggle or bad play early in a career means they are done for good. That isn't always the case.
I just envision Kedon Slovis after he got rocked in the Tennessee game. Was gun shy the rest of the year. The talent may be there, but concussion can do a qb in.
Yeah, I'm not suggesting there is no possibility he can be a competent/good/really good QB. But he has a long way to go. Frankly, some of his success was just because he was the dude who was whipping it around the schoolyard without knowing any better. I think it was Cal that figured out his kryptonite is consistently dropping guys into coverage, and he's looked lost ever since.
Back when he was winning freshman of the week and throwing for 300+ each game, he was also leading - or close to leading - the P4 in turnover worthy plays. He was the dude hitting .320 through the end of May who the baseball nerds caution you not to get too excited about because of the insane number of mid-level contact ground balls he was hitting that were getting through the infield. The other shoe was going to drop. The mechanical flaws are quite visible.
You sort of did when you said he wasn't that good and then listed a bunch of QBs who stunk after their first year.
I have my doubts.
But I was using them as examples in regards to those who thought he was the next big thing. Like, this isn't some dude who is just going to take college football by surprise, elevate Pitt to a level it's not used to, etc. And he is in one hell of a valley at the moment.
The play of our atrocious offensive line has everything to do with Eli's decline. He is a good qb with a pretty good future. That said, and it sickens me to say it as a lifelong Pitt fan, if he was smart he would not pursue that future here. Our offensive line has been substandard for years now and recruiting in this area continues to worsen. If I'm Holstein, I go play for some big school that shows interest. There are very few p4 schools playing with offensive lines as bad or worse than ours.
LMAO. I think he’s safe from a Michigan poach.
Not sure what planet you’d have to be from to think that a blue blood program with massive buying power and coming off a natty would be interested in Holstein at this point. No planet in this solar system anyway.
https://syndication.bleacherreport....il-offer-closer-to-10m-amid-lsu-buzz.amp.html
And what would "solve" that problem is when teams are dropping everyone back in coverage, run the ball. But when your offensive line is completely incapable of blocking the opponent's defensive line running the ball doesn't work either.
I said this after the SMU game, and last night was another example of it, when your biggest question on offense is if you line is worse at run blocking or pass blocking you really can't be a successful offense.
No shit . So what is your point ? Holy shit ... I stated that he wasn't ..
The upcoming years . You're not real bright ..
I think the decline in the OL this year coincides, or least got noticeably worse, with the injury to Branson Taylor -- and Holstein's decline in QB play seemed to have occurred at that same time. Was Taylor that good?
They were getting pummeled up front in that game even before he went down. I get that the sample size wasn't expansive. But I think it's more attributable to a combination of better defenses and teams figuring out how to defend us.
I’m not a physician, but having had a football-caused concussion once in my life (at an early age), I can vouch that some of these players are probably being rushed into action well before they should be.
Being able to walk, talk, and perform activities of daily life can’t compare to playing quarterback at a high level. While a lot of research has been done re: the effects of concussions, I suspect that they’ve only scratched the surface of their knowledge of the effects of multiple concussions.
Who cares? I do. The kid plays for Pitt so I hope that he is ok/healthy…..even if, as you say, the season is over.
One week is way too soon for a contact sport.
I’m of the view that Pitt’s offensive line is sooo bad, that they should just over recruit and bring in transfers, and just retain the best of the lot and get rid of the deadwood.. Nothing else matters when the offensive line can’t block.
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Where did I read that, from their website. All I said was they lost their commitment from Carter Smith in this class. What they currently have on the roster sucks.
All 3 are factually correct, They will be shopping in the portal regardless of winning a bidding war for Bryce Underwood. Didn’t say anything about them definitely going after Holstein.
They also have a 4 star QB and national top 100 class of 2024 player named Jadyn Davis redshirting this year. They will hit the portal, but they sure won’t be looking at Holstein. You suggested that was a possibility. It isn’t. Some clown throwing that out there on a Michigan message board? That’s where you’re getting that nonsense?
I linked that article to emphasize the fact that a blue blood program that can write a 10 mill check for a HS QB can afford to go after whoever they want. Do you really think there’s any remote possibility that Holstein would make their wishlist?
