Loser won't make the NCAAT. The winner also may not but has a decent chance. Both of these teams arent getting in so it could come down to THIS head to head to decide the last spot or 2.
Pitt/Wake is a play-out game
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Stop being so damn reactionary about every game. The league season isn’t half over. There are plenty of games to be played. Both these teams may make it and both may be left out. Give it another 3 weeks. Things should be a little clearer then.
Shut up, seriously? If Pitt loses to fall to 6-4 but then goes 9-1 down the stretch they are out?
Really terrible post
Really terrible post
Down one point.... 16:52 left in the first half... Blake Hinson on the line shooting two.
SMF: "We need both of these or it's game over."
SMF: "We need both of these or it's game over."
Sure, they can go 9-1 and make it but they wont. No way the loser of this game makes the NCAAT. Mark it down.
You don’t think Pitt gets in at 14-6? I disagree. 13-7 maybe not
I was replying to the previous poster. If FSU stays as a Q4 loss, they may need to go 14-6. If they move up to Q3, 13-7 may do it. Its stupid but that's the way it is.
For a guy who admitted just a couple weeks ago that he had no idea how it works you sure do seem to think that you have it all figured out.
The Conference Within the Conference Game of the Week?
While it is a very important game, it is not a must. You never know what will happen, hell, we may with the ACC tournament.
What if neither make it or what if the loser wins the ACC tournament?
I learned. Q4 losses basically cancel out Q1 wins. So right now, 3 Q1 wins + 1 Q4 loss is basically the same as a team with 2 Q1 wins and no Q4 losses. Of course SOS comes into play but assuming the teams are generally equal, that's how it works. This is why Clemson is seen as not far from being a bubble team despite being 16-4. They have 2 Q4 losses despite those losses really not being that bad (at South Carolina, neutral vs Loyola Chicago)
Currently, only 3 teams from the 12 team conference within a conference are going. Miami, Clemson, NC State. The ACC is Duke, UNC, UVa + the Mountain West
Ha, here I thought our OOC results were pretty poor but we actually have 2 pretty impressive OOC wins, UNC and UVA!!
If you throw enough qualifiers in there you can claim you are right no matter what!
This is, of course, widely known among higher education circles as the SMF Gambit.
Quad 1
13 UVa
36 @ NC State
51 @ NW
Quad 2
32 UNC
101 @ Syr
It would be super helpful if UNC finished in the Top 30 and Syr in the Top 75 and FSU in the Top 160 (currently 187)
Yeah at this point it’s not a must because of the # of games remaining.
But SMF is getting more heat herein than he should because, realistically based on probable wins/losses the rest of the way out, he’s more right than wrong.
Look at our roster and all the holes. It’s a miracle we’ve made it into the conversation
I don’t expect them to even get a top 2 seed in the NIT.
I think we’ll be lucky to finish with 11 or 12 conference wins at this point
I don’t expect them to even get a top 2 seed in the NIT.
I think we’ll be lucky to finish with 11 or 12 conference wins at this point
We just need to keep taking one game at a time. Every game we need to treat like it’s a win or we’re out situation. We need to finish strong.
One at a time is right on Rocky. They have to go out and fight for it like each game is their last. They are going to have to want it more than their opponent.
Little confused, do you all feel that the loser of this game makes it? I mean they could, but the chances are very very small given what they'd have to do in February/March. So its a really easy prediction that the loser of this game doesn't make it.
I agree with you. If they lose tomorrow their NCAAT hope is pretty much over. This is a huge game to prove they are for real. You can’t lose too many at home because road wins are tough to come by
Yea with both Pitt and Wake currently on the first four in/last four in/first four out lines right now it’s an important game to win for sure. It will be another Quad 2 win if Pitt can win this game and give you a lot of momentum going into a big game at home against Miami here on Saturday. A loss against Wake most definitely puts Pitt on the outside looking in for making the NCCA Tournament.
I am right. I take it you disagree and think the loser of this game makes the NCAA Tournament. Is that what you're going with? Can I put you down for that? Wait, let me guess, you wont answer because you know I'm right.
this one game will not determine Pitt or Wake Forests tournament hopes. That is what everyone is trying to tell you SMF. Your hyperbole that this is an elimination game is what everyone is making fun of you about. It is too early in the season to say something like that
It certainly is not a “play out” game in January. Both teams have plenty of games left. What I would say is this game is low hanging fruit for both Pitt and Wake. It’s a winnable game for both teams against a team that will boost their resume.
If I said "I predict the loser of this game will not make the NCAA Tournament" would that make you guys feel any better?
There’s a lot of hyperbole (understatement) in this thread, but I think SMF is taking too much heat. It’s a massive game. You can’t lose 3 games in a row at home in the middle of the conference season and feel like you are going to make the tournament. It’s a bubble team versus a bubble team, and Pitt is staring down a game against Miami where we will not be favored.
So, yea…maybe there aren’t “must win” games this early, but they better not lose, at home, again.
So, yea…maybe there aren’t “must win” games this early, but they better not lose, at home, again.
I am waiting for one person to say "You are wrong SMF, I predict the loser of this game will make the NCAAT." Can we get one person to come out and say that?
