I think people are confused as to why some of us are upset we have 0 commits. Its not that we think we are going to finish like 70th in the recruiting rankings. We know its a long process and Narduzzi will get some in the June camps and have a late push but with 0 recruits until June, it shows we have struck out with a ton of "Plan A" higher-recruited guys. There are a slew of schools similar to Pitt with 7, 8, 9, 10 verbals (Iowas, BC, Kentucky, Min, etc). With 0 recruits so far, not only does it show that we can't get the 4-star types by out-recruiting "better schools" (something DW and Walt were able to do from time to time), but we haven't been able to convince that 3 star to choose us over Md, Rutgers, Syracuse, Iowa, etc. And, yea, eventually we will get some of those but the longer it takes, the less of them there are.
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Maybe there is a focus on the higher echelon recruits at this point and not so much on the lower level recruits. The net result of that could be why there are zero commits at this point.
Of the schools you mentioned, which school's class would you want?
What's telling is that you can't get local kids to want to go to Pitt as their first choice as their dream school to play for and legacy players choose to go elsewhere than where their father played = not good in any way shape of form. Nearly 90 schools have at least one recruit, even Georgia Southern.
Plan A,B,C recruits have not been identified yet by the staff. I honestly think they're just starting their evaluations now because their strategy is to wait and see who's realistic. I think the staff understands that we are at a disadvantage (resources) when it comes to recruiting against other P5 schools. It makes more sense to spend time on recruits that we know we will have a shot at once the big programs eat.
At least that's the story I'm going with.
At least that's the story I'm going with.
That would be terrible.Plan A,B,C recruits have not been identified yet by the staff. I honestly think they're just starting their evaluations now because their strategy is to wait and see who's realistic. I think the staff understands that we are at a disadvantage (resources) when it comes to recruiting against other P5 schools. It makes more sense to spend time on recruits that we know we will have a shot at once the big programs eat.
At least that's the story I'm going with.
Plan A,B,C recruits have not been identified yet by the staff. I honestly think they're just starting their evaluations now because their strategy is to wait and see who's realistic. I think the staff understands that we are at a disadvantage (resources) when it comes to recruiting against other P5 schools. It makes more sense to spend time on recruits that we know we will have a shot at once the big programs eat.
At least that's the story I'm going with.
If (and I really doubt it) the staff hasn't identified what recruits they're targeting yet, a Stallings like departure is in order.
I watch these hand-wringing arguments on here every year! Nothing ever changes. Ho Hum
I think if the staff is treating recruiting like a marathon, than for Pitt it is an ok strategy. Last year at this time, they had two recruits, and that class was finished up like most of Pitt's classes. There are still 843 three star recruits listed as uncommitted. There are 197 four star recruits uncommitted. If one does the simple math, I'm sure it would turn out so that if you subtract the amount of available scholarships left for power 5 teams, it is still way under the total remaining. Pitt should probably put even more effort at landing the upper echelon guys early on who have big offers from lots of program. In fact, I would bend the rules as much as possible. If Pitt send them material that also happens to have the Steelers logo on it, or Steelers players in the bakcground, and they somehow get in trouble and makes the news... then that's a win.
There is no Pittsburgh talent this year. Most of our best classes are piggybacked on some local 4 and 5 stars coming to Pitt. This year we have not much to take. It looks like it will be a slower recruiting year and we will need to some big wins
Yeah, there is maybe 3 WPIAL kids I would really want this year. Porter. Kristofic and....I guess Devonshire. Kiy Wright of Farrell but he is not WPIAL I don't think. That is pretty much it.
Yeah... I didnt mean NO talent, I should have said much less than in years past
Their last recruit last year, Saladhaddin, was their best/most highly regarded.
Their second to last was Baldonado, who was a really late bloomer who had Michigan State and Nebraska really wanted.
They got shocky and Bentley, who were two of their most hotly contested picksup.
They stole Carter and Mimes, who had committed elsewhere.
Nards just has a longer arc on recruiting than fans think. He also likes the big stacked recruiting weekends, which had been at the end of the season, but now is loading up for two weeks from now.
Most thought patterns on this thread are way off . Makes for good talks but wrong sorry
porter looked awful against those 5'8 pine richland receivers
Plan A,B,C recruits have not been identified yet by the staff. I honestly think they're just starting their evaluations now because their strategy is to wait and see who's realistic. I think the staff understands that we are at a disadvantage (resources) when it comes to recruiting against other P5 schools. It makes more sense to spend time on recruits that we know we will have a shot at once the big programs eat.
At least that's the story I'm going with.
Pitt has a lot of disadvantages / up hill battles related to recruiting.
However, why is Pitt at a disadvantage (resources) when it comes to recruiting?
What recruiting resources doesn’t Pitt have?
Other than Clemson FSU and may be VT, who has better practice facilities than Pitt?
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I have no interest in Porter. I hope he goes somewhere else. He's no where near good enough to have put up with his dad.
But then we would have to expect results like most of Pitt's seasons snugs that isn't acceptable. That is the entire point of the "hand wringing" people are complaining about. The status quo isn't good enough.
The status quo isn't changing unless Narduzzi can get more wins and win the Coastal. Until then, the recruiting will be the same.
Yes, it is. We need a coach to win more games with less talent, then we can increase recruiting quality. The key is a good coach and consistency. Not a guy who sells the program well and then drops the ball on gameday. We've seen how that works out.
Why are the two mutually exclusive? Jimbo Fischer can into FSU, brought in elite classes right away, won right away. Richt has come into Miami and turned the corner recruiting for them right away, and also took them to their first ACCC in year 2. Fuente has come into VT, took them to the ACCC in year 1, won 19 games in 2 years, and has improved their recruiting. Why are these things only mutually exclusive at Pitt?
It is not like Bowden and Beamer left their programs in shambles and those schools have and had a decent brand. Miami is unique in that the brand has survived a long drought with the help of the 30 for 30 and Richt brought some credibility with him. Pitt and the coach are not in that position, not to say they are not laying the foundation. It takes time after all the irrelevant years.
Not to speak for him but maybe he is thinking JP could be a helicopter parent. He is right there where we practice & our staff will see him & could hear him quite often if he is not happy with his sons PT. Not like JP has ever had problems voicing his opinion.
No matter what ppl think of recruiting we have nice DB depth and it will be hard for a young DB to play early with guys like Jackson, Ford, Mathis, Pinnock and some of the other guys. With the depth at DB we were able to move Coleman (who is a nice talent IMO to S). And a guy like Motley who played last year looks to be at best our 5th DB. Plus we have a couple of true frosh with nice potential coming in. Just a thought but who knows...
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Except it isn't. We don't have the one coach and staff who is going to win way above his talent vs. competition.
Panther recruiting 4 stars...
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If you are comparing Pitt with FSU and Miami, then you might as well just concede the argument. Maybe VT is comparable, but VT's recruiting ratings look pretty consistent to me. Their new coach win 10 games and then 9 games and ha recruited the same, so we should wait before declaring him great.
2018 3.3
2017 3
2016 2.86 (Transition year)
2015 3.25
2014 3
2013 3.26
2012 3.18
2011 3.05
2010 3.2
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The jury is still out, but our coach has shown that he is capable. I know everyone wants a quick fix. They want Pitt to bring in someone who can recruit like gangbusters and then win the national championship. However, it doesn't work that way. We have to continue building a program that has consistently been shooting itself in the foot for decades. The process to build a quality program takes time, and with the folks who have been in charge at Pitt, I wouldn't be optimistic until I actually see them doing the right things.
Except that VT is competing for more recruits with Penn State and other blue bloods more often. I'd bet solid money they start to turn the corner on some of those losses.
Except I'm not comparing us to FSU, Miami, or even VT in the sense that you are. You're misunderstanding the point.
I agree we can never recruit at the level of FSU or Miami. But what I don't agree with is that Pitt can't connect with recruits and build excitement within the local base as well as FSU or Miami. That's the point.
Now you're right. Even if we have recruits talking about us, generate excitement with these prospects, etc., our class will not be as good as their class because we don't have the overall pool that they do. Fine.
But the point is we haven't done anything with the pool that is available to us. Whereas this time last year all Rivals and 247 was doing was writing articles about how Miami is all any of the recruits in South Florida and really FL at large talk about. And Miami hadn't won anything this time last year.
Capable of what? What level of winning, both in amount of wins and years consistently at that level, do you think we have to be at for recruiting to improve? Have you seen anything from this staff that would indicate they are capable of doing that?
Because it's Miami. They were competing for the national title in recent memory. Plus... it's Miami. There is really no comparison. We aren't going to recruit Western PA simply because we are Pitt. Any cachet we had has been eroded after decades of mismanagement and clusters. We simply aren't going to bring in the next great coach and hit the jackpot in recruiting, and then a couple years later... in the playoffs. For Pitt, we need a good coach and consistency from both him and the administration. Pitt needs chicken soup, not an adrenaline shot.
Winning the ACC Coastal and playing in the ACC Championship game would be a good indicator. That gets Pitt noticed. I don't think you and others have a clear understanding of how Pitt is viewed by non Pitt fans. We are an afterthought at best. A joke to many. That takes time to turn around.
One of those "Plan C" recruits from FL just scheduled his first official visit to Pitt for June 15th according to 247.
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Huh? Miami hadn't been recruiting at the level they did last year, maybe ever. That's why there were so many recruiting articles about them this time last year. Previous Miami coaches hadn't been able to do this. So why would this coaching staff able to do it? Well, because they can recruit.
Okay. So Pitt would need to play for the ACCC. Just one year? One year would be enough to turn it around? Just have our Duke or BC type year and it will take off?
And what evidence do you see that this staff, without an uptick in recruiting, is capable of doing that?
