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Please please pleaser gut medicaid

to qualify for medicaid in PA, you need to make under2900/monthy, or under 5800 combined (if married). That's basically 16 bucks an hour or 34k annual salary...


sadly, you can work a full time job, 40 hours a week, actually show up and work, and still qualify for medicaid... i havent seen any breakdowns of people who work and receive medicaid with part time vs full time status... i'd venture a guess that most employeed people who qualify for medicaid in this country are working part time..


i have no issues with that. some people need to work part time, due to being single parents or other issues. yes, if you are an able bodied person and choosing to work part time due to your own laziness, and receiving medicaid, you are truly a POS dirtball leach but to be honest, they know that and well, probably dont care too much about what other people think of them..


too many loopholes in the system for able bodied people to not work and be on the govt/states Teet, taking and offering nothing in return. i know people who are on disability who have no business being on long term disability (i know that's different than medicaid). so there absolutely has to be some audits of these out of work people under the age of 60 who are on it and not employed..


but back to my point, it's not really that odd that someone could work a full time job and still qualify for medicaid. and well that opens up a whole other conversation on how can someone honestly work 2000 hours a year and only be compensated under 34k..
 
to qualify for medicaid in PA, you need to make under2900/monthy, or under 5800 combined (if married). That's basically 16 bucks an hour or 34k annual salary...


sadly, you can work a full time job, 40 hours a week, actually show up and work, and still qualify for medicaid... i havent seen any breakdowns of people who work and receive medicaid with part time vs full time status... i'd venture a guess that most employeed people who qualify for medicaid in this country are working part time..


i have no issues with that. some people need to work part time, due to being single parents or other issues. yes, if you are an able bodied person and choosing to work part time due to your own laziness, and receiving medicaid, you are truly a POS dirtball leach but to be honest, they know that and well, probably dont care too much about what other people think of them..


too many loopholes in the system for able bodied people to not work and be on the govt/states Teet, taking and offering nothing in return. i know people who are on disability who have no business being on long term disability (i know that's different than medicaid). so there absolutely has to be some audits of these out of work people under the age of 60 who are on it and not employed..


but back to my point, it's not really that odd that someone could work a full time job and still qualify for medicaid. and well that opens up a whole other conversation on how can someone honestly work 2000 hours a year and only be compensated under 34k..
Do the math if you make $15 an hour times 2080 which equates to a 40 hour work week you will make $31K a year.
 
Do the math if you make $15 an hour times 2080 which equates to a 40 hour work week you will make $31K a year.
yes, i did the math. 2901 a month is 34.8k. 34,800 annual salary, broken down to a 40 hour work week, you divide by 2080 which is $16.70 cents per hour..


so if you make 16.50 hourly, you can still work full time and qualify for medicaid (no OT of course).


which is exactly what i just said.

so we live in a country where you can work a 40 hour work week and have zero chance of living a life and paying your bills, rent and eating without govt assistance. that's upsetting. and well that will start another conversation that will go a million ways so we'll save that for another day..
 
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So is the left upset about kicking illegals off Medicaid or able bodied American citizens that choose not to work? Those are the proposed cuts and most rational Americans would agree that trimming this kind of waste is good.
 
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1st get rid of the fraud and double dipping. 2nd put those working age, single, childless adults to work. Please put a work requirement on it. 3rd let's watch the libs lose their minds.......

Anyone else?

I am up for a compromise:

-work requirement for Medicaid for non-disabled single, childless adults

- raise taxes significantly on income over $1 million
 
so we live in a country where you can work a 40 hour work week and have zero chance of living a life and paying your bills, rent and eating without govt assistance. that's upsetting. and well that will start another conversation that will go a million ways so we'll save that for another day..

We agree on something?

This is a huge problem of mine. The richest country in the history of the world has tons of this type of 3rd world poverty. There are millions of Americans who can only afford to live, nothing more than that. Some will argue "survival of the fittest" but a lot of these folks can't help the environment which they were born into. Do we need to have the lowest tax rate in the world on billionaires, which translates into tons of 3rd world poverty, and in turn, high crime rates.

I'm sorry but I am 100% for some redistribution of their wealth. I would tax the crap out of extreme wealth. I'm not talking about some couple who is making $500K- $1 million per year between them. I'm talking about folks making $10 million/year plus. They can enjoy a great life and pay a 70% income tax on income over $10 million.
 
We agree on something?

This is a huge problem of mine. The richest country in the history of the world has tons of this type of 3rd world poverty. There are millions of Americans who can only afford to live, nothing more than that. Some will argue "survival of the fittest" but a lot of these folks can't help the environment which they were born into. Do we need to have the lowest tax rate in the world on billionaires, which translates into tons of 3rd world poverty, and in turn, high crime rates.

I'm sorry but I am 100% for some redistribution of their wealth. I would tax the crap out of extreme wealth. I'm not talking about some couple who is making $500K- $1 million per year between them. I'm talking about folks making $10 million/year plus. They can enjoy a great life and pay a 70% income tax on income over $10 million.
all that does is take money from wealthy and enable these programs that give 25-30 year old able bodied people more of a reason to not get a job. F them.

if you are not disabled and under 40 and on medicaid, you are the issue.
 
We agree on something?

This is a huge problem of mine. The richest country in the history of the world has tons of this type of 3rd world poverty. There are millions of Americans who can only afford to live, nothing more than that. Some will argue "survival of the fittest" but a lot of these folks can't help the environment which they were born into. Do we need to have the lowest tax rate in the world on billionaires, which translates into tons of 3rd world poverty, and in turn, high crime rates.

I'm sorry but I am 100% for some redistribution of their wealth. I would tax the crap out of extreme wealth. I'm not talking about some couple who is making $500K- $1 million per year between them. I'm talking about folks making $10 million/year plus. They can enjoy a great life and pay a 70% income tax on income over $10 million.

So you're for income redistribution and communism? Absolutely NOT! The richest in America pay the most taxes of any other class. If they are that successful, they should keep their money as much as possible with reduced taxes.

My goal at this stage of my life is to drastically reduce or eliminate taxes I pay and do it legally. That's what everyone should do. No need to give the money we earn to the government so they can waste it on income redistribution or wasteful spending on woke garbage. It's the government's job to find ways to more efficiently use the money they do get.

I'm for eliminating the income tax altogether and replacing it with a national sales or consumption tax on everyone.
 
So you're for income redistribution and communism? Absolutely NOT! The richest in America pay the most taxes of any other class. If they are that successful, they should keep their money as much as possible with reduced taxes.

My goal at this stage of my life is to drastically reduce or eliminate taxes I pay and do it legally. That's what everyone should do. No need to give the money we earn to the government so they can waste it on income redistribution or wasteful spending on woke garbage. It's the government's job to find ways to more efficiently use the money they do get.

I'm for eliminating the income tax altogether and replacing it with a national sales or consumption tax on everyone.

Redistribution? Yes.

Democratic Socialism? Yes.

Communism? He'll no.
 
all that does is take money from wealthy and enable these programs that give 25-30 year old able bodied people more of a reason to not get a job. F them.

if you are not disabled and under 40 and on medicaid, you are the issue.

I was saying compromise:

Let's tax income over $10 million at 70% AND we force able-bodied people to work for medicaid?

Do we have a deal?
 
70% of income over 10m? i mean that's not me sadly but damn does that seem harsh..

The top tax rate was 70% in 1981. Aren't you scared of this deficit? We can solve that problem in 2 seconds. There are excessive amounts of American wealth. We have cultivated an oligarch class. Its time to pay up.

What you guys dont realize is they purposely try to get you guys all riled up on things that don't affect your life (immigrants aren't going to kill you or take your job, a man isn't going to dunk on your daughter). This is done for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to keep their taxes low. I don't think any of you guys would shed tears if we taxed income over $10 million at 70 percent. But in a 50/50 country where elections are decided in just a handful of states, if they can sway a few folks on culture stuff, they can keep their taxes low.
 
all that does is take money from wealthy and enable these programs that give 25-30 year old able bodied people more of a reason to not get a job. F them.

if you are not disabled and under 40 and on medicaid, you are the issue.

How would you handle this scenario.

Married couple both working their $15/hr jobs. They do what the big government maga fake-religious clowns want and have a baby but it ends up being twins or triplets.

Should both parents continue to work with $45k in childcare or should one stay home (like big government maga fake-religious clowns want) and receive aid?

They are financially underwater regardless of the answer but what would you do?
 
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The top tax rate was 70% in 1981. Aren't you scared of this deficit? We can solve that problem in 2 seconds. There are excessive amounts of American wealth. We have cultivated an oligarch class. Its time to pay up.

What you guys dont realize is they purposely try to get you guys all riled up on things that don't affect your life (immigrants aren't going to kill you or take your job, a man isn't going to dunk on your daughter). This is done for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to keep their taxes low. I don't think any of you guys would shed tears if we taxed income over $10 million at 70 percent. But in a 50/50 country where elections are decided in just a handful of states, if they can sway a few folks on culture stuff, they can keep their taxes low.
The billionaires in this country have a total of 6.2 trillion dollars. You could tax them 100% and take everything they own and still not touch the debt. We are not taxing our way out of this.
 
The billionaires in this country have a total of 6.2 trillion dollars. You could tax them 100% and take everything they own and still not touch the debt. We are not taxing our way out of this.
Maths is hard for the college educated

This seems appropriate

 
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The top tax rate was 70% in 1981. Aren't you scared of this deficit? We can solve that problem in 2 seconds. There are excessive amounts of American wealth. We have cultivated an oligarch class. Its time to pay up.

What you guys dont realize is they purposely try to get you guys all riled up on things that don't affect your life (immigrants aren't going to kill you or take your job, a man isn't going to dunk on your daughter). This is done for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to keep their taxes low. I don't think any of you guys would shed tears if we taxed income over $10 million at 70 percent. But in a 50/50 country where elections are decided in just a handful of states, if they can sway a few folks on culture stuff, they can keep their taxes low.
The main reason I care about illegal immigrants is that they keep Dems in a position to win the House. Take them away from the census count and my #1 reason goes away. Though there are others.
 
The top tax rate was 70% in 1981. Aren't you scared of this deficit? We can solve that problem in 2 seconds. There are excessive amounts of American wealth. We have cultivated an oligarch class. Its time to pay up.

What you guys dont realize is they purposely try to get you guys all riled up on things that don't affect your life (immigrants aren't going to kill you or take your job, a man isn't going to dunk on your daughter). This is done for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to keep their taxes low. I don't think any of you guys would shed tears if we taxed income over $10 million at 70 percent. But in a 50/50 country where elections are decided in just a handful of states, if they can sway a few folks on culture stuff, they can keep their taxes low.

I'm going to describe a real-life scenario and you tell me where it came from. This is real, not some made-up propaganda from some teacher or professor or far left or far right publication.

This group wants free healthcare and guaranteed jobs. They want to tax the wealthy exorbitantly at greater than 60%. They want to spend large amounts of money on public education. They don't want religion entering into discussions about public policy. This group declared war on smoking, supported abortion and gun control. This group hates the free market and capitalism, wants to provide generous pensions for the elderly, and wants to maintain a racial quota system in universities.

Name that political ideology.
 
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We'll call it European Capitalism then? Are you on board?

Call what European Capitalism? Nothing you described is capitalism of any form. It's all socialism and is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. Socialism only benefits the ultra-powerful, just like Ponzi schemes only benefit the originators of the scheme until it falls like a house of cards. Socialist societies also all fall like a house of cards.

There is no such thing, also, as a Democratic Socialist. Socialists want to destroy democracy, by definition. You vote once for the leaders and then they destroy democracy. You'll never vote again.
 
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Call what European Capitalism? Nothing you described is capitalism of any form. It's all socialism and is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. Socialism only benefits the ultra-powerful, just like Ponzi schemes only benefit the originators of the scheme until it falls like a house of cards. Socialist societies also all fall like a house of cards.

There is no such thing, also, as a Democratic Socialist. Socialists want to destroy democracy, by definition. You vote once for the leaders and then they destroy democracy. You'll never vote again.
Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo
 
The billionaires in this country have a total of 6.2 trillion dollars. You could tax them 100% and take everything they own and still not touch the debt. We are not taxing our way out of this.

Everything helps doesn't it?

Elon was saving $10 here, $20 there and people applauded it. It was pennies, essentially.

If you people are that worried about the debt, then we need to do both. I can get on board with work requirements but or some other types of entitlement reforms, but we have to tax the extremely wealthy much more than we are.
 
How would you handle this scenario.

Married couple both working their $15/hr jobs. They do what the big government maga fake-religious clowns want and have a baby but it ends up being twins or triplets.

Should both parents continue to work with $45k in childcare or should one stay home (like big government maga fake-religious clowns want) and receive aid?

They are financially underwater regardless of the answer but what would you do?
How is this relevant to anything?
 
The main reason I care about illegal immigrants is that they keep Dems in a position to win the House. Take them away from the census count and my #1 reason goes away. Though there are others.

Tell us about how you are also concern about the tooth fairy and Easter Bunny.
 
Tell us about how you are also concern about the tooth fairy and Easter Bunny.
Oh, Joeypanic, what irks you today? Musk returning to Tesla make you mad? The BBB likely passing maybe getting under your skin?

You obviously don't understand what the census means to House members.
 
Call what European Capitalism? Nothing you described is capitalism of any form. It's all socialism and is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. Socialism only benefits the ultra-powerful, just like Ponzi schemes only benefit the originators of the scheme until it falls like a house of cards. Socialist societies also all fall like a house of cards.

There is no such thing, also, as a Democratic Socialist. Socialists want to destroy democracy, by definition. You vote once for the leaders and then they destroy democracy. You'll never vote again.

I see not one looney leftist has the guts or the intelligence to respond and answer what ideology this is. Typical and expected. Cowards.
 
It’s just a matter of time until means tested entitlements like Medicaid bankrupt us. I am in favor of major structural changes now.
me too. End social security tomorrow.

What these old codgers want is for me to keep paying for it but never get to use it.

I say end it all immediately! Why should those who want austerity measures not have to sacrifice!?
 
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I see not one looney leftist has the guts or the intelligence to respond and answer what ideology this is. Typical and expected. Cowards.
Just look up the definitions of socialism and democracy. They are not incompatible.

Sadly, it is you who are unintelligent. You don’t know the meaning of words. So you make up a meaning (“socialists want to destroy democracy by definition”) and then claim some victory.

I guess critical thinking fades once you’ve outlived your usefulness. Or you never had it.
 
me too. End social security tomorrow.

What these old codgers want is for me to keep paying for it but never get to use it.

I say end it all immediately! Why should those who want austerity measures not have to sacrifice!?
it's a govt run ponzi scheme, nothing more. and to make it worse, you are letting the federal govt run it, an entity not exactly known for turning a profit..


end it all, reimburse every cent (plus interest) that the working class paid into it and let people invest how they see fit.


but in reality, the left doesnt want this because they know who will suffer the most from this ending and it's not the legal, hard working American class and it's not the rich either.
 
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me too. End social security tomorrow.

What these old codgers want is for me to keep paying for it but never get to use it.

I say end it all immediately! Why should those who want austerity measures not have to sacrifice!?
Obviously that’s not going to happen but major structural changes are needed.
 
me too. End social security tomorrow.

What these old codgers want is for me to keep paying for it but never get to use it.

I say end it all immediately! Why should those who want austerity measures not have to sacrifice!?
If that’s the case then the government owes me a lot of money. I paid into the fund for 50 years.
The original intent of SSI was if you paid into the SSI and you retired at 65 and lived until 99 you would have collected 1 million dollars. Here’s the issue the SSI Trust was that a trust and the politicians couldn’t touch that money. But they didn’t adhere to the original intent. They moved money out of the trust which is illegal, spent the money other things.

You stop funding SSI then send me my money tax free.
 
If that’s the case then the government owes me a lot of money. I paid into the fund for 50 years.
The original intent of SSI was if you paid into the SSI and you retired at 65 and lived until 99 you would have collected 1 million dollars. Here’s the issue the SSI Trust was that a trust and the politicians couldn’t touch that money. But they didn’t adhere to the original intent. They moved money out of the trust which is illegal, spent the money other things.

You stop funding SSI then send me my money tax free.

Social Security was started as a safety net and was supposed to be temporary. Those who were wiser than FDR knew it was a Ponzi scheme and would not be sustainable. But here we are with a fund that the government sometimes uses as a slush fund for the connected politicians.

I would have liked the option when I started working to either have taxes taken out for SS or have that same amount of money deposited into an investment fund of my choice and managed by me. Of course, since the money you and I contributed was for those collecting SS at that time, and not for us, that would never happen. I guarantee that if I had the money I and my employer contributed to SS, my fund would be worth at least 10 times what my SS fund is worth and I'd have a higher net worth now.
 
Just look up the definitions of socialism and democracy. They are not incompatible.

Sadly, it is you who are unintelligent. You don’t know the meaning of words. So you make up a meaning (“socialists want to destroy democracy by definition”) and then claim some victory.

I guess critical thinking fades once you’ve outlived your usefulness. Or you never had it.

You aren't real smart, are you. That's not a question. That's a statement of fact. You obviously are the one who doesn't know the definitions of socialism, democracy, fascism, Nazism. You have revealed your utter ignorance and stupidity. It's not your fault. You have been fed leftist propaganda for years from the mainstream media and probably some university (if you went to college) and you believe their drivel. You have a lot to learn.
 
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Social Security was started as a safety net and was supposed to be temporary. Those who were wiser than FDR knew it was a Ponzi scheme and would not be sustainable. But here we are with a fund that the government sometimes uses as a slush fund for the connected politicians.

I would have liked the option when I started working to either have taxes taken out for SS or have that same amount of money deposited into an investment fund of my choice and managed by me. Of course, since the money you and I contributed was for those collecting SS at that time, and not for us, that would never happen. I guarantee that if I had the money I and my employer contributed to SS, my fund would be worth at least 10 times what my SS fund is worth and I'd have a higher net worth now.
And just think how much higher that net worth would be if Joe Biden didn’t raise the price of eggs the last four years.
 
Social Security was started as a safety net and was supposed to be temporary. Those who were wiser than FDR knew it was a Ponzi scheme and would not be sustainable. But here we are with a fund that the government sometimes uses as a slush fund for the connected politicians.

I would have liked the option when I started working to either have taxes taken out for SS or have that same amount of money deposited into an investment fund of my choice and managed by me. Of course, since the money you and I contributed was for those collecting SS at that time, and not for us, that would never happen. I guarantee that if I had the money I and my employer contributed to SS, my fund would be worth at least 10 times what my SS fund is worth and I'd have a higher net worth now.
Absolutely. But the assholes in DC on both sides for years stole the money
 
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