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Excellent examples of On Campus Stadium work by Populous.
Excellent examples of On Campus Stadium work by Populous.
Populous Architecture Firm - Stadium examples
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Do you have any pics of track & field complexes they've designed? Because that's all they'll show Pitt. Just call their senior people to get those, I'm sure you are tight with them.
We all understand the reality of the on campus situation but man both the Baylor and Minnesota football stadiums would be just about perfect for what we need. They look fantastic and seat around 50K. Would be awesome no doubt. Thanks for posting.
it would be awesome, I mean absolutely incredible. but there seem to be more pressing issues and Heinz is.. well Heinz is suitable I guess is the word. adequate maybe..
to play Devil's advocate here, we can accomplish our goals of being a top program in the coastal with our current stadium situation. It's not hindering us from becoming a good program. It's boring as all hell, an eyesore of course but in reality, its not holding us back from accomplishing a 10+ win season. There are multiple other reasons that are holding us back. cookie cutter stadium with the ambience of a funeral isn't one of them..
Where would they build a track and field facility? People love to talk about Oakland being too built up and not having room for a stadium, but it's not like a track facility is small either.
By the way, has Populous ever built a track facility that wasn't a stadium?
Pitt is not going to build a T&F facility. The only place it could go, they built that intramural sports bubble.
Wouldn't be surprised if they drop T&F and add lacrosse (who can use soccer field) when ACCN starts because lacrosse is a growing TV sport and Pitt lacrosse games would actually be televised. Pitt T&F meets other than ACC Championships never will be.
I agree, probably won't happen. But the Minnesota stadium in particular is beautiful. I love the fact that it looks bigger than 50K.
SMF, I haven't been up there for awhile so im going off of outdated satellite pics from googlemaps. where is the INtramural sports bubble? Is it on one of those old baseball fields behind the garage?
Talk about a landlocked situation pitt is in. freaking surrounded by centre avenue and the ghetto on one side, VA hospital the other way and 17 hospitals on the other side.. They literally have no options outside of wiping out a neighborhood or two. I was at Oklahoma's campus about two years ago, they have a nice campus, stadium on the edge, then a nice hoops arena on the very outskirts on the back end of campus and literally nothing else for about 100 miles. OK, some sort of national weather station or something on the horizon but nothing after that. You could literally build a major metropolitan area next to their campus. We don't have room for a track and other schools, you could build a city..
I blame hills and rivers and moving tectonic plates. If that is incorrect, please don't call me out on it, im dumb..
I'm not sure they'd find the space. The footprint is quite a bit smaller because you'd just need a small bleacher section, no concessions or parking to speak of.
I'm not sure about the actual Cost Center. It used to be where the football team practiced and a lot of intermurals played there, I believe. It is just a big, warehouse-like facility that is supplanted quite a bit by the new sports bubble. The parking underneath is far more valuable.
The Cost Center and OC lots would be hard to replace if something were to be built there. I'd assume a large parking structure would need to be incorporated into any new building.
Dude, we don't have any room. it's not money, its not priorities, there is no room. you got mary schenley's philanthropic ideas monopolizing half the damn city, you got the middle hill ghetto screwing up any potential use to the north all the way to bigelow, and the worst place on the planet to put a Veterans hospital taking the hill on top, impossible to find a less accessible place for healthcare for our heroes..
BTW, did I just make up a word there with "philanthropic?"
Of course there is no room now which is why you have to buy buildings and knock them down.
amen brother, im with you. where are we thinking SMF? Im starting with the west part. Anything on robinson st and dunseth street, gone.. I know it's a hill but so what, that whole 2 block radius, knock it all down.
You ready for this? Im serious too. Sutherland hall, gone.. Build up some more dorms in south Oakland, uh, excuse me, middle Oakland (hate that term), and take over Sutherland hall. What about on the other side of the VA, brackenridge and zero way. Kind of isolated but I say over take it, tell the city to go in there and start putting eviction notices on doors, this is pitt's land folks, sorry but get out..
dude, me and you SMF, we might be able to restructure this whole damn part of the city.. im still not crossing centre way though, want no parts of that middle hill area.. that's beyond repair..
you're right. Just the contrarian views that a bunch of old cranks take because of their conservative views on fiscal responsibility; meanwhile 98 percent of div. 1 schools have their own on campus stadium
my biggest pet peave on stadium talk is the immediate dismissal of the idea due to parking and access to freeways. such laziness it's astounding. so many venues in this country where.. gasp.. you have to walk a little bit to get too. I know, scary idea but it's been done before.
Agreed. Obviously I correlate a lot to Alabama because I went there and go to a lot of games in Tuscaloosa, but as far as stadium parking? There are probably about 800 spaces, which are less than a mile from the stadium. Another 4,000 (and it is probably more like 2,000, but I am erring on the opposite side of the argument) which the University controls between 1-2 miles from the stadium. Everything else? Satellite lots that require bus transportation to and from or people parking along streets or in private homes' yards. And they get 100k+ people there for every game and many come in on Thursday and Friday to start their festivities.
I doubt it will be public knowledge. you or I will never see this report nor will anyone outside of a select few. Safe to say those that do see it, aren't posters on this board..
Sounds like a high school track without a concession stand. Do they really need Populous for that?
probably a little more to it than that. sounds like we are behind in most of our sports facilities and even looking into upgrading the pete, which just got updated I thought, but what the hell do I know.
cant be bad idea to hire someone to come in, look around and tell you what is possible. Worst they can say is 'you are screwed' and in that case, things remain how they are now.
I'll give you this much, by linking to the Populous site you have dramatically upgraded your visual aids from the 5th grade art project you usually blabber about.
Although I still think @JoseLind13 mock up of a stadium hovering over the Parkway East is the best proposal I've seen on the subject.
dude, relax, me and SMF are on it. our team of lawyers are negotiating the acquisition of prime real estate in Oakland as we speak. we have a brunch scheduled for tomorrow at Meat and Potatoes to iron out the details on where to build this track and field facility, and we will be discussing the new football stadium as well.
To be continued..
Here's some places it can go
1. On the site of the Syria Mosque. However, that site is too small so you'd have to buy and tear down the PAA, Holiday Inn Express,and that UPMC office building. Also the block that houses Clapp and Langley would also have to be razed. You can replace that classroom space by tearing down the Music Building and IS Building and building much taller stuctures in that space.
2. Tear down Hillman and Posvar and build a new library on Bouqet st across behind the Law School. Buy Mary Schenley's land for $100 million and build the stadium across from Carhedral next to Carnegie Museum.
3. At the corner of Bates and Blvd of the Allies. Would require buying a few office buildings and a few private houses.
4. Tear down the Pete, build the stadium there and build a smaller basketball arena (since we have trouble filling it) on the site of the OC Lot.
whoa there SMF, I was proposing just relocating about 200 families, buying their homes and ripping em all to hell. whats this upmc office building talk all about.. I do like the idea of taking out a holiday inn though, goes with my "anti chain hotel in Oakland" movement..
we do go around and around here though and neglect to respect the battle that pitt has on its hands to acquire land in the area for the university. I think that's a bigger obstacle than we think, more to it than just negotiating a price.
And what percentage of those stadiums are dumps? How many of those schools would prefer to play in a modern NFL stadium right down the road?
if it's not city officials scewing pitt over, mass chain hotel companies eating up Oakland real estate its those damn tectonic plates..
You'd have to ask them but I absolutely guarantee that all things considered they would highly prefer playing on campus and not at a rental facility where the landlord prohibits your using a logo bigger than a silver dollar and requires the students to be shuttled like cattle to and from the games
Perhaps Populous is studying the idea of moving additional classrooms and dorms to new office and residential space on the Northside? Pitt wouldn't have to pay for the maintenance and upkeep of those facilities, so there is no need to build those facilities on campus. Oakland should be reserved for CMU, hospitals, and churches.
I think you've really nailed it. Even if there was a political appetite to tackle this kind of project i think many underestimate the difficulty in buying up all that property. It's not like you just have to deal with a single lander owner. You're talking about negotiating with hundreds? Would be very hard to keep the property acquisition costs reasonable.
Depends on where the location is. Pitt should have spent the last two decades doing just that, in a spot where they wouldn't have to deal with a lot of private property and people's homes, and ideally would already own much of the land. Actually, Pitt should have built the Pete in a location that required a smaller footprint, perhaps the originally proposed location, and then updated or rebuilt Pitt Stadium.
It certainly wouldn't have been impossible, considering that Oakland real estate acquisitions and prices over the last decade.
But since they've putzed around and pretended that Heinz Field is great, it won't happen. Maybe if they were to promise some public housing in place of luxury suites, it would have a chance to pass politically.
Pitt would still need a mega donor who cares about football, and we certainly aren't helping that cause when affinity can't be built transporting students to football games on yellow school buses, and sending them to games in an unmaintained stadium before that, and sending them to games after purposely deemphasizing football before that. That's 30 years of graduates being part of a sub-par product most of the time
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