Proposed College Football Super League

[pittmeister]

Proposed college football 'Super League' details unveiled

College Sports Tomorrow has proposed streamlining college football into a 'Super League' called the College Student Football League (CSFL).

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"College Sports Tomorrow, which is a group of executives and administrators, has proposed streamlining college football into a “Super League” called the College Student Football League (CSFL). Details of the plan have been in the works for months, but were unveiled by the group on Tuesday."

 

[Upg bobcat]

"College Student Football League" sounds like it should be a combo of the Ivy League, Patriot League, and service academies.

Also not sure why Ohio State gets to be with a bunch of schools west of the Mississippi River (and Wisconsin, which is close to being west of it). Notre Dame I guess is NYC's team, being in the east?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I like it but some of those divisions are awfully weak compared to others. But that’s what geography yields. Caps/revenue sharing could level the field a bit but…

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I don’t follow this stuff all that closely but the first thing that I question is will the SEC ever accept this? If enough of the others do maybe their hand will be forced, but I have no clue.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

It all comes down to money. I like the concept, but it will need to be worth it to those holding the power.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

One minor nugget here…navy is in the top 72, and army doesn’t make it. And army doesn’t even make the next group of 64 either, unless I’m missing something.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Divisions that would be won by one team at least 80% of the time:

1. ND
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Ohio State
5. Clemson
6. Alabama
7. Georgia
8. LSU
9. Oklahoma
10. Texas
11. USC
12. Oregon

So that's all of them. Sounds like fun!

Exaggerating a little, but honestly not by much. Especially for some of them.

 

[AllegeneeGenacGenac]

Divisions that would be won by one team at least 80% of the time:

1. ND
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Ohio State
5. Clemson
6. Alabama
7. Georgia
8. LSU
9. Oklahoma
10. Texas
11. USC
12. Oregon

So that's all of them. Sounds like fun!

Exaggerating a little, but honestly not by much. Especially for some of them.

I think this was intentional. Each division has approximately 1 top tier team based on performance this century, which means they're more likely to buy into this as a path to the playoffs (and more money of course).

I'd probably put PSU in the east and ND in our division, but whatever. Just as long as we stay in the top division and have a legitimate path to the playoffs, I'm happy.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I don’t follow this stuff all that closely but the first thing that I question is will the SEC ever accept this? If enough of the others do maybe their hand will be forced, but I have no clue.

Yeah I’m like you. I pay no attention. But I took a peek at this one and I’m intrigued by it. But I’ve always taken the call me when it’s over approach.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I think this was intentional. Each division has approximately 1 top tier team based on performance this century, which means they're more likely to buy into this as a path to the playoffs (and more money of course).

I'd probably put PSU in the east and ND in our division, but whatever. Just as long as we stay in the top division and have a legitimate path to the playoffs, I'm happy.

The Southeast has 4 teams that are either powerhouses or think they are. That's probably the one that sticks out most as being a bit heavy.

But yeah - Penn State and ND should be flipped.

 

[pittmeister]

Big names backing College Sports Tomorrow means group can't be dismissed

Big names behind College Sports Tomorrow means the group cannot be completely dismissed despite glaring holes in the plan.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

 

[Dan1911]

Looks so good it'll never happen

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I don’t follow this stuff all that closely but the first thing that I question is will the SEC ever accept this?

Of course they won't. And neither will the Big Ten.

Unless, of course, this entity guarantees their teams a lot more money than everyone else, just like they are going to be making without it.

 

[Safety Blitz]

This had to be put together by a Notre Dame alum.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Proposed college football 'Super League' details unveiled

College Sports Tomorrow has proposed streamlining college football into a 'Super League' called the College Student Football League (CSFL).

fbschedules.com

"College Sports Tomorrow, which is a group of executives and administrators, has proposed streamlining college football into a “Super League” called the College Student Football League (CSFL). Details of the plan have been in the works for months, but were unveiled by the group on Tuesday."

These can be fun to look at but the reality is that the Power 2 do not want to share revenue. So there will always be a Big Ten and an SEC.

 

[pittmeister]

These can be fun to look at but the reality is that the Power 2 do not want to share revenue. So there will always be a Big Ten and an SEC.

“These can be fun to look at but the reality is that the Power 2 do not want to share revenue. So there will always be a Big Ten and an SEC”

Maybe for other sports, but not for football and possibly basketball as well.

So, College football is at the total mercy of the Power 2? I guess the Big Ten and SEC print their own money? Where do they get the revenue? They get it from the TV networks. They’re the ones calling the shots. Networks are always looking for ways to make more money. They’re looking for the next big thing.

If they can make more money with a different format that emphasizes playoffs and more rivalries, then that’s what’s going to happen. Pro sports generate the most money during playoffs. The NCAA basketball tournament makes big bucks for the networks.

Limiting their money to the Power 2, is not a sustainable format. In business, you always have to think about tomorrow. Saying “well it is what it is and that’s that” will get you out of business fast.

 

[Pittpharm77]

Looks great ON PAPER. Question is, Will the 8 non-division games be against other Power 72 teams? Or will the practice of
scheduling FCS teams continue. Also, current top teams, (PSU, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.) will NEVER give up a 7th (or in some cases
8th) home game. TV money will have to be astronomical to get the programs to agree to that.

 

[cruzer]

Proposed college football 'Super League' details unveiled

College Sports Tomorrow has proposed streamlining college football into a 'Super League' called the College Student Football League (CSFL).

fbschedules.com

I like the concept but they need to change the name. I'd go with something like the CASFL (College Associated Semi-Pro Football League). They should not be allowed to mention the word "student" anywhere in the league name.

"College Sports Tomorrow, which is a group of executives and administrators, has proposed streamlining college football into a “Super League” called the College Student Football League (CSFL). Details of the plan have been in the works for months, but were unveiled by the group on Tuesday."

 

[cashisking884]

Looks great ON PAPER. Question is, Will the 8 non-division games be against other Power 72 teams? Or will the practice of
scheduling FCS teams continue. Also, current top teams, (PSU, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.) will NEVER give up a 7th (or in some cases
8th) home game. TV money will have to be astronomical to get the programs to agree to that.

and the tv money just isn’t going to be.

You’re asking the tv networks to pay for a lot of divisions that aren’t going to draw much of a rating.

The ratings would come from cross divisional games. But at that point, the networks would just demand more of those.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So, College football is at the total mercy of the Power 2? I guess the Big Ten and SEC print their own money?

Um.....yes. Where have you been? The B10 and SEC will be here forever. Maybe they add more members but they do not want to share revenue so that's why adding a Pitt or a Georgia Tech isnt going to go over. Anyone they add has to make Texas or Ohio State or Alabama more money and only a couple teams who currently arent in the P2 do that.

 

[pafootballguy]

The problem with college football is not that it is broken and needs fixing it is there are so many schools that want to be part of the top level but have zero shot at every winning. I don't understand the motivations of most of the G5 schools, they are not competing for a CFP national championships and never will so why are they trying. It would make so much more sense for most of the G5 to be competing with the current FCS than competing OSU, Alabama, etc. Even if everything goes right for a Boise State, Memphis, or even a Cincy in a season they are playing to win a playoff game.

What are the odds I would have to give you that Pitt wins a NC in the next 25 years? Now think about the odds you would need to get to put $1000 on Akron to win a playoff game in the next 25 years.

How delusional are fans that say they will only care if they have a seat at the table when the schools they root for have basically zero chance of winning.

The sooner a breakup of the FBS happens the better it will be for the vast majority of schools.

 

[pittmeister]

Um.....yes. Where have you been? The B10 and SEC will be here forever. Maybe they add more members but they do not want to share revenue so that's why adding a Pitt or a Georgia Tech isnt going to go over. Anyone they add has to make Texas or Ohio State or Alabama more money and only a couple teams who currently arent in the P2 do that.

The money that they make outside of the TV contracts is their own and they will not be asked to share it. We are talking about TV revenue, (and a playoff system that will narrow the gap), which is where the bulk of the money is made.

Try and keep up...SMH

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The money that they make outside of the TV contracts is their own and they will not be asked to share it. We are talking about TV revenue, (and a playoff system that will narrow the gap), which is where the bulk of the money is made.

Try and keep up...SMH

Just out of curiosity, how many minutes after ESPN and Fox announce that they are backing this league with their money and requiring everyone to take part that, for instance, the SEC announces the new mega-deal they have signed with CBS to televise their games and the Big Ten announces the new even mega-er-deal they have signed with NBC for their television rights?

If there were only one or two big money paying entities who were interested in paying money to televise college athletics then this plan would have a chance. But as long as there are multiple television entities, and now several streaming services, who would just love to broadcast/stream SEC and Big Ten football, they are the ones who hold the cards. They are the ones that own the product that the networks want. They are the ones who will continue to get paid.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Just out of curiosity, how many minutes after ESPN and Fox announce that they are backing this league with their money and requiring everyone to take part that, for instance, the SEC announces the new mega-deal they have signed with CBS to televise their games and the Big Ten announces the new even mega-er-deal they have signed with NBC for their television rights?

If there were only one or two big money paying entities who were interested in paying money to televise college athletics then this plan would have a chance. But as long as there are multiple television entities, and now several streaming services, who would just love to broadcast/stream SEC and Big Ten football, they are the ones who hold the cards. They are the ones that own the product that the networks want. They are the ones who will continue to get paid.

Hey, we agree. The SEC and Big Ten control everything. Everyone else will do as they say. They always have the "ok, dont like it, we are leaving the NCAA so good luck."

 

[MJG-90]

Just out of curiosity, how many minutes after ESPN and Fox announce that they are backing this league with their money and requiring everyone to take part that, for instance, the SEC announces the new mega-deal they have signed with CBS to televise their games and the Big Ten announces the new even mega-er-deal they have signed with NBC for their television rights?

If there were only one or two big money paying entities who were interested in paying money to televise college athletics then this plan would have a chance. But as long as there are multiple television entities, and now several streaming services, who would just love to broadcast/stream SEC and Big Ten football, they are the ones who hold the cards. They are the ones that own the product that the networks want. They are the ones who will continue to get paid.

And as soon as ESPN realizes the SEC isn’t going for it, they’ll back down. They are joined at the hip with the SEC like Fox is with the B1G.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

They always have the "ok, dont like it, we are leaving the NCAA so good luck."

It would be the worst decision they ever made. They won't do it under Sankey because he's not that dumb. He's almost said as much.

 

[Upg bobcat]

The problem with college football is not that it is broken and needs fixing it is there are so many schools that want to be part of the top level but have zero shot at every winning. I don't understand the motivations of most of the G5 schools, they are not competing for a CFP national championships and never will so why are they trying. It would make so much more sense for most of the G5 to be competing with the current FCS than competing OSU, Alabama, etc. Even if everything goes right for a Boise State, Memphis, or even a Cincy in a season they are playing to win a playoff game.

What are the odds I would have to give you that Pitt wins a NC in the next 25 years? Now think about the odds you would need to get to put $1000 on Akron to win a playoff game in the next 25 years.

How delusional are fans that say they will only care if they have a seat at the table when the schools they root for have basically zero chance of winning.

The sooner a breakup of the FBS happens the better it will be for the vast majority of schools.

Rumor I've heard is that G5 is going to get their own tourney. An internet search indicates that there are talks about it: https://herosports.com/fbs-group-of-five-college-football-playoff-g5-postseason-cpcp/.

 

[MorningCoffee13]

This is coming. There will be too much money to stop it.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And as soon as ESPN realizes the SEC isn’t going for it, they’ll back down. They are joined at the hip with the SEC like Fox is with the B1G.

Right. The idea that ESPN is going to pay a lot more money so they can end up showing more games with teams that don't draw big ratings like most of the SEC teams do, and that Fox is going to pay a lot more money so they can end up showing more games with teams that don't draw ratings like many of the Big Ten teams do is silly.

As long as the SEC and the Big Ten oppose this idea it is not going to happen. It's just not. And when someone proposes to them that they can make more money under this system, their first thought is not going to "sign me up!", it's going to be "if you'll pay that much for this system, how much more will you pay us if we don't include schools like Wake Forest and Kansas State".

 

[cashisking884]

Right. The idea that ESPN is going to pay a lot more money so they can end up showing more games with teams that don't draw big ratings like most of the SEC teams do, and that Fox is going to pay a lot more money so they can end up showing more games with teams that don't draw ratings like many of the Big Ten teams do is silly.

As long as the SEC and the Big Ten oppose this idea it is not going to happen. It's just not. And when someone proposes to them that they can make more money under this system, their first thought is not going to "sign me up!", it's going to be "if you'll pay that much for this system, how much more will you pay us if we don't include schools like Wake Forest and Kansas State".

Unless you’re fans of the those teams, most of the divisional games are unwatchable.

And that includes the divisions with the likes of Alabama in it.

They are just too watered down to be of much value to the networks.

 

[wilbury]

Mon

This is coming. There will be too much money to stop it.

Money is the reason it's never happening