I don't follow football recruiting like I used to but even on paper, that's really hard to believe.
PSN said this is Pitt's best ever recruiting class
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Is it too hard to attach a link to give us some reference to what you're referring to?
Pitt Football On Course For Highest Ranked Recruiting Class Ever
A higher win total was expected from the 2020 Pitt football team than their current 5-5 mark, so naturally people have questioned the progress that’s been made during the six years of the Pat Narduzzi era. While those questions might be legitimate, no one can question or criticize the...
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Not based on average stars or the percentage of the class rated 5.7 and above. And not based on competing P5 offers. Seriously, journalists are lazy. And stupid. Hate going through life that way.
No, this class is so great, its beating Wanny's classes which had us at 9-1 and ranked #9.
I don’t know who wrote that article and no way I’m even gonna bother to find out. Saunders generally is ok. Vuk is nothing more than a glorified blogger. In any event to suggest what that article does is laughable.
That's very deceptive to list this year's recruiting results (so far) in the same list as the final rankings for the other years of Narduzzi's tenure.Pitt Football On Course For Highest Ranked Recruiting Class Ever
A higher win total was expected from the 2020 Pitt football team than their current 5-5 mark, so naturally people have questioned the progress that’s been made during the six years of the Pat Narduzzi era. While those questions might be legitimate, no one can question or criticize the...
I don't think there's anyone, not even the most ardent Pitt football fan would think that Pitt is going to finish at number 20.
"To get a better perspective on the improvement they’ve made in national recruiting, here is where Pitt’s finished since the hiring of Narduzzi:"
Pitt’s Rivals Team Recruiting Rankings:
2021: 20th
2020: 44th
2019: 49th
2018: 36th
2017: 38th
2016 29th
The article must be referring to when Rivals started with the star rankings not to the classes back in the Majors/Sherrill eras days those classed were highly rated. Duzz has done better than the recent coaches in recruiting rankings. If they can land a couple surprises before February it will make the class solid.
It's all about development of the players and coaching them up. I will say we have NC St, Va Tech, BC, etc talent but it's all how coaches develop the players.
Those numbers are deceptive on their own. Do average stars. I’m aware I keep repeating this but based on average stars this class is just about the same. Might they get a bump for final rankings? Perhaps, but they’re likely still gonna be in the same ballpark.
It’s about evaluation too. You can’t get blood out of a stone. If someone isn’t very good only so much you can do. And I’m not saying you’re wrong - but a kid’s still gotta bring something to the table.
Correct but I'm not enamored with Borbely, Salem, and Whipple. Also the drops of our wr's don't help matters.
SMF always conveniently forgets to include the last 2 games of that season
No argument here. When you have that many drops in back to back seasons it’s pretty alarming. And the OL has been less than stellar. Even the year with Ollison and Hall. They were tremendous run blocking but the pass blocking was nearly the polar opposite. I don’t expect a line like the best teams always have, but unless the OL improves quite a bit we’ll be spinning our wheels to some extent.
Yes, it's referring to when Rivals rankings started. It's also comically inaccurate, because this class will finish somewhere closer to the mid-30's once more teams get to the 20-recruit barometer.
It's a pretty good class, but the take in this article is pretty bad.
It's a pretty good class, but the take in this article is pretty bad.
SMF always conveniently forgets to include the last 2 games of that season
Stop the count! Last 2 games were rigged. There's no way WVU and Cincinnati beat us. We won and by a lot. A LOT. Especially in the last game, we were up 31-14. It was over. I had friends texting me to congratulate me and telling me to start making my plans for New Orleans. And then I'm supposed to believe Cincinnati finds all these points? Yea right. It was all rigged. They didn't score 45 points legally. If we count all the legal points, we win big.
That's a monumental exaggeration. Look at Sherril's first class or two. Parade AA's, NCAA All-American's, numerous NFL starters and some NFL Hall of Famers. These kids had the credentials and lived up to the hype. My guess is that Sherril wouldn't even looked at most players in Pitt's current class. Sherril's class could line up against the Clemsons and Notre Dames and not be in awe. Today's Pitt class is another that will fit in the 30-40 ranking range and far short of what Clemson and ND will haul in. The author that said that this is best class must have a short memory or is a lunatic.
lol. oh, was this the magical year where they lost to a bad wvu team and then marty gilyard the week after? Got it, that 9-1 year.SMF always conveniently forgets to include the last 2 games of that season
I honestly didnt know what he was talking about.. Hey, how about that undefeated 2-0 team that was ranked in top 10 in 2003..
Best ever???? I would seriously doubt that. Check out the class of ‘77 or the class of ‘73 to name a few.
Perhaps Duzz is looking at it positionally. I’m excited for Hammond and Newton moreso than any other back he’s recruited. Yarnell is the best QB recruit HE has recruited to Pitt. Rankl may be there as well on the Oline. Donald on the Dline. And so on. Maybe that’s his angle.
The 9-1 thing aside, SMF brings up a good point with that recruiting class. The one with pinston and berry. They was a really good recruiting class for a program like pitt.
I also made a funny response earlier about stopping the count after the 9-1 start and that the rest of the season being rigged and beating WVU and Cincy by a lot if all legal points were counted but it was deleted.
Isn't the one recruit still at zero stars and not ranked? Also you are treating a 5.7 3 star the same as a 5.5 and vice versa.
This was as of Oct 25th.
Per Rivals average stars
2021 - 2.85 (supposed to get the bounce from the division championship)
2020 - 3.06
2019 - 2.89
2018 - 3.05
I just looked and Pitt is now 2.91 on Rivals. And the kid from Utah is still listed as zero. Even if he’s a 3 it still leaves us right around where we’ve been.
There is I’m sure a bit more nuance with your 5.5/5.7 range. There are 4 5.7s and 9 5.5s. 5 5.6s. So I still think I average stars is a better representation.
I realize this is all back of the napkin and a deeper dive would be more accurate. But it seems we’re on the same recruiting level to me.
It’s been a couple days since I read the article so maybe I’m forgetting the details. But aside from the fact that many on here despise the site, what was so terrible about the article. I don’t recall it claiming that this will be Pitt’s best recruiting class ever, only that it may likely end up being their highest ‘ranked’ class ever. I could be wrong, but didn’t it even mention one reason why that is, the # of recruits and not necessarily the average individual ranking of those recruits.
Yea, I mean based on the criteria, it may be. It just seems odd because, based on offers (which is what the SMF Recruiting Index goes by), it doesn’t SEEM that good as a whole.
Everything you and others are complaining about they acknowledged in the article.
They stated it as highest ‘Rivals’ ranked class. They didn’t make any more far reaching claims of it being Pitt’s best class ever.
They also stated that the ranking is of now and can change when all is said and done.
So all they reported were current facts. The only claim they made from it is that it shows some gradual improvement in Narduzzi’s recruiting since he’s been here.
So that one pretty mild claim is about the only thing anyone should rationally debate or take exception to. Unless of course you have this deep seated axe to grind with the site.
Using Rivals numbers, this class is over a 3.00 in average stars if you don't count the player with zero stars, which puts it up there as good as any class we've had recently. And some players are likely to get a bump to 4 stars, happens every year, so that number may go up.
You can say that we can't selectively eliminate the lowest rated player, but i think it safe to assume he is better than zero lol. Actually, zero means he hasn't been rated, but some sites had him at 3 stars when originally was in high school
You can say that we can't selectively eliminate the lowest rated player, but i think it safe to assume he is better than zero lol. Actually, zero means he hasn't been rated, but some sites had him at 3 stars when originally was in high school
I’ve never read that site. That’s the reason I asked SMF for the link.
No axe to grind for me.
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