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Qadree Ollison

More carries than Conner, dude, Vapitt, what the hell are you talking about? Who is saying anything about playing more than JC? You are literally having a debate with yourself.
You're right, I meant to say taking carries away from Conner, not taking more carries than Conner. I'm going to grab some more coffee!
 
Ph, here's the current rushing attempts and Average YD/Carry between the 3 backs that you mention:

Player Attempts Total Yards Average YD/Carry
Chawntez Moss 38 221 5.8
Darrin Hall 31 135 4.4
Qadree Ollison 27 103 3.8

It's not like there is some huge disparity between the number of carries between the 3. Unfortunately, it shows that Ollison, of the 3, has the lower average yardage/carry. Ollison is simply not going to take carries away from Conner. And Moss (not Hall so much), has shown the propensity of making solid runs when given the opportunity or when he's healthy.
Ollison was misused this year. given the occasional jet sweep in the 4th quarter doesn't count. When discussing Ollison, lets look at his stats from the year he was used as a starting back.. if you think Mall can do this, being the primary back, oh yeah, and facing the most 8 man fronts in the ACC (proven fact, just don't ask me to prove it, I swear it's true though), then you have an argument.

Carries 212
Yards 1121
avc 5.3
TD 11
 
I like ollison, as opposed to the staff who seems to like hall. But when healthy I think moss is definitely the best #2 to conner.
 
I like ollison, as opposed to the staff who seems to like hall. But when healthy I think moss is definitely the best #2 to conner.
in all honesty, I'd love to see a nice 1-2 punch with Mall and Ollison but I just don't think Duzzi likes a nice equal balance. Well actually Canada I guess. Who knows.. This jet sweep thing seems to be fading from staple of our offense to occasional wrinkle. I doubt many of us know what next year's offense will truly look like. Maybe there is room for 2 backs..
 
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in all honesty, I'd love to see a nice 1-2 punch with Mall and Ollison but I just don't think Duzzi likes a nice equal balance. Well actually Canada I guess. Who knows.. This jet sweep thing seems to be fading from staple of our offense to occasional wrinkle. I doubt many of us know what next year's offense will truly look like. Maybe there is room for 2 backs..
Can't have too many backs next season. Early season trip to PSU, can't expect MacVittie or another young QB to win a game for us in September. We're gonna rely on the run heavy early on, the more backs we have the fresher they will be.

Gonna be interesting, if Conner leaves could be another good chance for ollison to compete for the starting job. If Conner stays, idk but I think part of it is bringing in hall or moss is a change of pace. Ollison is essentially another pound it out James Conner type running back.
 
Ollison was misused this year. given the occasional jet sweep in the 4th quarter doesn't count. When discussing Ollison, lets look at his stats from the year he was used as a starting back.. if you think Mall can do this, being the primary back, oh yeah, and facing the most 8 man fronts in the ACC (proven fact, just don't ask me to prove it, I swear it's true though), then you have an argument.

Carries 212
Yards 1121
avc 5.3
TD 11

How should Ollison be featured in this offense? You admitted that his blocking has been a real concern in the past (and maybe it still is). If he's lined up in the backfield, he is going to be called upon to block in a system that has a lot of moving parts and pieces between jet sweeps, shovel passes, dive plays, etc. that require perfect execution by not only the ball carrier, but those blocking.
 
How should Ollison be featured in this offense? You admitted that his blocking has been a real concern in the past (and maybe it still is). If he's lined up in the backfield, he is going to be called upon to block in a system that has a lot of moving parts and pieces between jet sweeps, shovel passes, dive plays, etc. that require perfect execution by not only the ball carrier, but those blocking.
you may have a good point.. maybe Ollison's skill sets are not a fit for this offense.. Not an unreasonable opinion. If duzzi/Canada don't play him, then it's safe to say they believe Mall gives them a better option. all the more reasoning for Ollison to look for a better fit.. I hope he stays too but not to get that 1-2 carries in the 4th quarter, running the jet sweep. that's pointless..
 
define "Make it." Make it as actually make it or make it as being a every down starter? He is gonna make it, time will tell if he truly makes it..

If he's there for 6 years, which I think he will, then he will have "made it".
 
Hall has actually looked pretty good lately - he hits the hole fast and he makes good yards after contact. Both Hall and Olli have struggled with catching the ball, which doesn't help them get more reps.

I'm still looking for Coach Duzz to bring in someone who can make people miss in the mold of Shady, Ray or Dion. I don't see that with Hall or Ollison, but I think both Hall and Ollison are adequate backs.

Moss looks a bit better than either of them to me.

Go Pitt.
 
I don't really care if they make it to the NFL, unless they play for the Steelers :)

I'm good with Shady and Fitz being stars, but I am indifferent to it and root against them when they play the Steelers, so it's not a huge deal, other than maybe it helps recruiting.
 
I don't really care if they make it to the NFL, unless they play for the Steelers :)

I'm good with Shady and Fitz being stars, but I am indifferent to it and root against them when they play the Steelers, so it's not a huge deal, other than maybe it helps recruiting.
I'm just praying the steelers go out and get James Conner somehow. Would be one of the greatest days in Pittsburgh sports. I wasn't even alive in the 80s and I'm still bitter about the Marino gaffe.
 
hahaha ok, now Conner isn't going to make it either now. Care to put a wager on it?

He will make the NFL. How successful he will be is hard to tell. Not every running back that was successful in college is great in the NFL.
 
you may have a good point.. maybe Ollison's skill sets are not a fit for this offense.. Not an unreasonable opinion. If duzzi/Canada don't play him, then it's safe to say they believe Mall gives them a better option. all the more reasoning for Ollison to look for a better fit.. I hope he stays too but not to get that 1-2 carries in the 4th quarter, running the jet sweep. that's pointless..

Certainly agree. He isn't built to run the jet sweep where the ball carrier needs to make the first defender miss, while the rest of the blocking convoy makes their way downfield. I wish Ollison the best as well, just feel this offense really isn't tailored to his skill set as much as those under Chryst and Chaney.
 
I don't really care if they make it to the NFL, unless they play for the Steelers :)

I'm good with Shady and Fitz being stars, but I am indifferent to it and root against them when they play the Steelers, so it's not a huge deal, other than maybe it helps recruiting.
I normally could care less about these guys nfl careers too. Once these guys hit the pros, good for them but they get relegated to "I could care less" very quickly. Loved boyd but he is a Bengal and when he fumbles against the Steelers, I cheer.. Aaron Donald plays for the rams, no one cares for the rams, No one..
Certainly agree. He isn't built to run the jet sweep where the ball carrier needs to make the first defender miss, while the rest of the blocking convoy makes their way downfield. I wish Ollison the best as well, just feel this offense really isn't tailored to his skill set as much as those under Chryst and Chaney.
If ollison is running towards the sidelines, like in the jet sweep, it's not a good thing.
 
The coaches and players are the only ones who really know the score with Ollie.

The rest of us are purely speculating, but I doubt it's a glitch in Q's pass blocking that;s keeping him off the field. He is a talented runner and we are a run heavy team.

Either way, I am anticipating a transfer or two form the RB group at year end. Ollie and Hall are the most likely candidates in that order.

Hall gets a bad rap from posters, but the people that matter--the coaches--like him a lot.
 
Conner will go pro. Ollison will not transfer. He's a RS JR next season. If it doesn't work out next season, he will still play and he can graduate transfer as opposed to sitting out a year, not playing and playing as a RS SR.

Ollison's in a weird spot because of that. Honestly, even from his POV, makes more sense to stay, potentially play next year (injuries to Moss/Hall, simply earning the starting job sans injury) and them simply transfer for his final year of eligibility if he decides it's best.

Also, as it currently stands, he has a few fewer carries but not by much and actually sees FAR more snaps than Hall, Moss on O. He occasionally gets jets, blocks in certain passing situations and blocks for Conner on many occasions as well. This is a bit overblown.
 
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I am really wondering what the problem is. By all that I witnessed over the past two seasons I see him as the best back after JC on the team right now, yet Hall gets all the meaningful carries. Even in mop up at the end of the game he looked like a varsity kid playing with the JV's, IMO.

He brings what JC brings. Moss is the better change of pace guy
 
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I love this myth. He plays more in passing downs than you would think. He's a much better pass blocker than Hall or Moss.
I enjoy when a poster calls something a myth and then posts this nonsense, especially since the reason moss has played a lot is ability to pick up blockers which he's done
 
I enjoy when a poster calls something a myth and then posts this nonsense, especially since the reason moss has played a lot is ability to pick up blockers which he's done
has moss been playing that much? I know he's hurt now but he wasn't hurt during Miami only had 2 carries, wasn't hurt against va tech, didn't have any carries. I am not seeing this playing time before his injury.
 
I enjoy when a poster calls something a myth and then posts this nonsense, especially since the reason moss has played a lot is ability to pick up blockers which he's done
According to Narduzzi himself, the reason Moss has played a lot is he brings a different dimension and running style to the offense than the other guys. He has a lot of elusiveness and is our only "quick" back. I don't think he gets his reps for his blocking skills.
 
According to Narduzzi himself, the reason Moss has played a lot is he brings a different dimension and running style to the offense than the other guys. He has a lot of elusiveness and is our only "quick" back. I don't think he gets his reps for his blocking skills.
Andre Powell has been quoted though in media for saying as much......I'm sure the reasons are many but to dismiss it isn't wise....not talking about you specifically
 
I am really wondering what the problem is. By all that I witnessed over the past two seasons I see him as the best back after JC on the team right now, yet Hall gets all the meaningful carries. Even in mop up at the end of the game he looked like a varsity kid playing with the JV's, IMO.

They have moved the number 2 back around a bit. First it was Ollison, then Moss got most of the 2nd reps and now its hall. Hall must be practicing better. I agree from what I have seen Ollison is the more talented runner. No reason for him to transfer. He will have a good chance to start next year or at least be second team. Not many P5 programs where a RB can just transfer in and start, plus he would have to sit a year. Now if he is 3rd on the depth chart after spring practices then he might want to consider it.
 
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Conner is a power back?
Maybe he fits in next year!
Agree his role is the same as james Conner only he isn't as good. The other RB's are a little different. When you are looking for a change of pace 2nd RB sometimes its more effective to have a guy with a different running style. Next year at worst Ollison probably takes over the short yardage role.
 
Again, folks are overlooking that in transferring Ollison loses a year then plays as RS SR. In not transferring, Ollison does not lose a year, participates as a RS JR and can still transfer under the graduate transfer rules and play elsewhere as a RS SR. Am I missing something?
 
Why does he need to go to a P5 school? He already has an entire year on tape at a P5 school where he won ACC Rookie of the year. He can transfer down to a small school close to home, not lose a year, dominate and then get a shot at the NFL. Think Rashad Jennings. Tons of RB's come from small schools anymore.
 
I thought there was a concern addressed in camp. The coaches wanted to see better, "yards after contact" with Ollison. I am a supporter of Ollison, but this is what was bantered around by Powell and others earlier in the season... Looking at the Avg yds per carry.. Ollison 3.8, Hall 4.4, Conner 5.0, Moss 5.8... I am guessing this is playing out in the season the way that the coaches mentioned it in camp. For a bigger back he gets solid forward lean, but not much push after contact. Very uncommon for Ollison to spin off of contact, which then limits those extra yards.... I'm hoping he sticks around, especially if Conner goes Pro, since it is always a big possibility to have injuries... We have a good stable, I'd like to keep that stable....
EXACTLY. The coaches don't care if the guy is 6'2 240 or 5'10 185. Can he get yards that aren't blocked for, thats what all the great RB's have in common finding a way to make that extra defender miss or breaking a tackle.

They are most likely recruiting 5'11 200 lb RB's because that's what size most RB's are, if a 4 or 5 star 6'+ 230+ RB wants to commit they aren't going to turn him down!
 
Why does he need to go to a P5 school? He already has an entire year on tape at a P5 school where he won ACC Rookie of the year. He can transfer down to a small school close to home, not lose a year, dominate and then get a shot at the NFL. Think Rashad Jennings. Tons of RB's come from small schools anymore.
He doesn't but if he transfers in FBS he has to sit a year. Sure he could go the FCS or D2 route but his chances of getting drafted are a lot lower than if he can start in FBS. As someone mentioned he is probably best of staying next year and make sure he graduates, he can then go to somewhere like Akron and start if he is a NFL quality RB.
 
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I am really wondering what the problem is. By all that I witnessed over the past two seasons I see him as the best back after JC on the team right now, yet Hall gets all the meaningful carries. Even in mop up at the end of the game he looked like a varsity kid playing with the JV's, IMO.
He's there for the free education and likes being on the team. He's a contributor on ST and sometimes offense. What's wrong with that?
 
He must be an absolute dog in practice. That's the only thing I can think of. Hall couldn't carry his jock. Moss and Ollison should carry the rock next year. Sibley should be the 3rd back.

However I fully expect Ollison to transfer and go somewhere that he'll actually play. He's an NFL back and being screwed over at Pitt.

-Todd Sibley is better, way better, than people think. Got clocked in the 100M at 11 flat and can break tackles and run defenders over. That 4.65 40 time he's tagged at isnt even close to being accurate, he's in the 4.5 range. Models his game after Ezekiel Elliott. This was a HUGE flip by our staff. He is a high school All American for a reason, and is having a monster senior season.
 
-Todd Sibley is better, way better, than people think. Got clocked in the 100M at 11 flat and can break tackles and run defenders over. That 4.65 40 time he's tagged at isnt even close to being accurate, he's in the 4.5 range. Models his game after Ezekiel Elliott. This was a HUGE flip by our staff. He is a high school All American for a reason, and is having a monster senior season.

James appears to be leaning to the NFL.. Ollison will be at PITT.
 
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-Todd Sibley is better, way better, than people think. Got clocked in the 100M at 11 flat and can break tackles and run defenders over. That 4.65 40 time he's tagged at isnt even close to being accurate, he's in the 4.5 range. Models his game after Ezekiel Elliott. This was a HUGE flip by our staff. He is a high school All American for a reason, and is having a monster senior season.

Don't you ever get tired of beeing a cheerleader with unrealistic expextations for everybody who wears a Pitt uniform.
 
Don't you ever get tired of beeing a cheerleader with unrealistic expextations for everybody who wears a Pitt uniform.

-Do you need me to bump my Pitt prediction thread again for this season? I already shoveled out crow yesterday when I bumped it for being almost spot on this year.
 
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