Really stupid to be starting college hoops during this COVID outbreak

[Sean Miller Fan]

Cases are at all-time highs and even if we write that off to increased testing of younger people, hospitalizations are getting to dangerous levels in many areas and deaths are creeping back up again.

I don't understand what the rush is for college basketball. A vaccine is supposed to be here by winter. If it were me, I'd begin the college basketball season in February and allow sell-out crowds if proof of a vaccine was provided. March Madness moved to May.

Instead of this, we're going to have a cluster of a season. Games canceled, players missing, no fans. March Madness played in an empty bubble. Just wait a few months.

 

[wolf0717]

Cases are at all-time highs and even if we write that off to increased testing of younger people, hospitalizations are getting to dangerous levels in many areas and deaths are creeping back up again.

I don't understand what the rush is for college basketball. A vaccine is supposed to be here by winter. If it were me, I'd begin the college basketball season in February and allow sell-out crowds if proof of a vaccine was provided. March Madness moved to May.

Instead of this, we're going to have a cluster of a season. Games canceled, players missing, no fans. March Madness played in an empty bubble. Just wait a few months.

I know you want everybody to hide under their table like Joe Biden. But 3 major leagues just completed their leagues with no casualties and football is doing fine with minimum interruptions. Open the country, schools and play the games!

 

[wbrpanther]

I know you want everybody to hide under their table like Joe Biden. But 3 major leagues just completed their leagues with no casualties and football is doing fine with minimum interruptions. Open the country, schools and play the games!
[/QUOI am not worried. Trump listed defeating the pandemic as one of his first term accomplishments. So I guess it's gone.

 

[thom67]

I know you want everybody to hide under their table like Joe Biden. But 3 major leagues just completed their leagues with no casualties and football is doing fine with minimum interruptions. Open the country, schools and play the games!

Those leagues are performed outdoors with virtually no fans. If you haven’t noticed, basketball is played indoors.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

BB with limited fans is fine! Play ball

 

[PA_Panther]

Volleyball seems to be doing quite well playing indoors with around the same amount of players and staff.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

When exactly do you want them to start then? 2023?

February as I said:

February, March, April: regular season
May: NCAAT

Fans with vaccine certificates can pack arenas and no players will miss games.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

February as I said:

February, March, April: regular season
May: NCAAT

Fans with vaccine certificates can pack arenas and no players will miss games.

There’s no vaccine and won’t be one by February. What planet are you living on?

 

[CougarClaws]

Cases are at all-time highs and even if we write that off to increased testing of younger people, hospitalizations are getting to dangerous levels in many areas and deaths are creeping back up again.

I don't understand what the rush is for college basketball. A vaccine is supposed to be here by winter. If it were me, I'd begin the college basketball season in February and allow sell-out crowds if proof of a vaccine was provided. March Madness moved to May.

Instead of this, we're going to have a cluster of a season. Games canceled, players missing, no fans. March Madness played in an empty bubble. Just wait a few months.

If you think we will have an effective Covid vaccine in February - I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you near downtown Pittsburgh.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

If you think we will have an effective Covid vaccine in February - I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you near downtown Pittsburgh.

Honestly one of the dumbest things I’ve heard. They’re starting it when the kids are off campus so they have very limited exposure for at least 1 month of the season. Extremely intelligent idea. Another Miss by SMf

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If you think we will have an effective Covid vaccine in February - I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you near downtown Pittsburgh.

I actually do think there will be and one of the thing I give the current administration credit for is they are funding 100 million vials of multiple vaccine candidates just in case ONE of them works. They are currently in production now so as soon as one or more are greenlighted, they will already have 100 million. They are doing this knowing it could be a colossal waste of taxpayer money to fund half a billion doses of vaccine that ultimately don't get approved but to me, its worth the risk.

OK, so even if ifs not available by February, it will certainly be by May.

 

[mo cheeks]

I actually do think there will be and one of the thing I give the current administration credit for is they are funding 100 million vials of multiple vaccine candidates just in case ONE of them works. They are currently in production now so as soon as one or more are greenlighted, they will already have 100 million. They are doing this knowing it could be a colossal waste of taxpayer money to fund half a billion doses of vaccine that ultimately don't get approved but to me, its worth the risk.

OK, so even if ifs not available by February, it will certainly be by May.

it is highly likely we have an effective vaccine by year end. 4 or 5 phase 3 vaccines. It would be very unusual for at least one of the phase three vaccines not to be effective. It probably takes until mid next year for it to be widely distributed, is what I am hearing.

 

[pierre93]

What most don't understand it's about getting these games played since betting is powerful. Has nothing to do with the fans I'm moreso than ever turned off by all of it. Div 1 is still going on while D2 and D3 cancel since it's not bet on.

 

[levance2]

What most don't understand it's about getting these games played since betting is powerful. Has nothing to do with the fans I'm moreso than ever turned off by all of it. Div 1 is still going on while D2 and D3 cancel since it's not bet on.

How many people bet on women's volleyball?

 

[CougarClaws]

it is highly likely we have an effective vaccine by year end. 4 or 5 phase 3 vaccines. It would be very unusual for at least one of the phase three vaccines not to be effective. It probably takes until mid next year for it to be widely distributed, is what I am hearing.

If you mean we will have a vaccine for a specific Covid-19 strain by mid-year I agree. But their are numerous strains so...

 

[pierre93]

How many people bet on women's volleyball?

For some people who don't bet or understand it plz shut up. Vegas and Atlantic City control it all. Keep living in your tree and yes people bet on those games too.

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[King Of All Message Boards]

If you mean we will have a vaccine for a specific Covid-19 strain by mid-year I agree. But their are numerous strains so...

There are. But so far (the last I read anyway) the way Covid works and gets people is because of the spike protein. And all variations are infectious because of that spike protein. Because of that it’s believed that the strains aren’t a problem. Theoretically anyway.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

it is highly likely we have an effective vaccine by year end. 4 or 5 phase 3 vaccines. It would be very unusual for at least one of the phase three vaccines not to be effective. It probably takes until mid next year for it to be widely distributed, is what I am hearing.

- 100 million by late winter

- Everyone by late 2021

 

[Fsgolfdr]

It amazes me that with 220,00+ deaths and going higher , testing at a 10% + rate and hospitalizations in certain areas at dangerously high levels that going to a bb game that’s televised could be an issue . I’m not an advocate of lockdowns , but common sense tells me that sitting in an indoor facility with people hollering and screaming just isn’t an intelligent thing to do right now . Forest’s mom says that stupid is as stupid does , smart lady that Mrs Gump !

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

It amazes me that with 220,00+ deaths and going higher , testing at a 10% + rate and hospitalizations in certain areas at dangerously high levels that going to a bb game that’s televised could be an issue . I’m not an advocate of lockdowns , but common sense tells me that sitting in an indoor facility with people hollering and screaming just isn’t an intelligent thing to do right now . Forest’s mom says that stupid is as stupid does , smart lady that Mrs Gump !

Agree with you about not wanting to go sit in an arena full of fans at this juncture.

However, IMHO, no one in authority that I have heard of is proposing filling up the basketball arenas with fans at this point without an effective vaccine available anyway. So, not much of a real risk to the population at large to play games with few, if any, fans present.

About 1/3 of those 220,000 plus deaths were attributable to putting infected people back into nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

Even without a vaccine, much has been learned about treating patients with the disease more effectively and stronger measures will be taken to keep Covid out of nursing homes and assisted living facilities. As a result, my expectation is that we should experience a significantly lower death rate (%) than was experienced last late winter/spring.

Bottom line, IMHO, is that having hoops televised (from empty or thinly attended arenas) shouldn't pose a serious Covid health threat and will actually be good for the mental health of a significant portion of the country's male population.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It amazes me that with 220,00+ deaths and going higher , testing at a 10% + rate and hospitalizations in certain areas at dangerously high levels that going to a bb game that’s televised could be an issue . I’m not an advocate of lockdowns , but common sense tells me that sitting in an indoor facility with people hollering and screaming just isn’t an intelligent thing to do right now . Forest’s mom says that stupid is as stupid does , smart lady that Mrs Gump !

I am totally for being careful and all that but if you are going to have bars and restaurants open, there is no reason you cant have 2K people spaced out in a big arena. I went to pick up a pizza at an Italian Restaurant the other day and the place was packed. Probably 60 people maskless (obviously) in a small restaurant. Now, they did do every other table but it was such a small restaurant that it still seemed packed.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I am totally for being careful and all that but if you are going to have bars and restaurants open, there is no reason you cant have 2K people spaced out in a big arena. I went to pick up a pizza at an Italian Restaurant the other day and the place was packed. Probably 60 people maskless (obviously) in a small restaurant. Now, they did do every other table but it was such a small restaurant that it still seemed packed.

It’s all about your risk tolerance , as much as I like watching sports in person for the time being I don’t think it’s worth the risk . The more people you interact with the greater the risk your taking , it’s just that simple . You may feel different about what amount of risk your willing to undertake , that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla .

I have no issue with playing golf , but would I go out afterwards to your pizza shop , nope . Remember just cause others do risky things doesn’t mean it’s ok or you should do them too .

From the schools perspective I just don’t see the financial benefits of allowing so few fans in when your potentially putting your entire season at risk . Risk / reward !

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

For some people who don't bet or understand it plz shut up. Vegas and Atlantic City control it all. Keep living in your tree and yes people bet on those games too.

And then the people that do understand it can laugh at someone like you who thinks they understand it when they are actually clueless?

Just out of curiosity, what do you suppose the handle is on your average NCAA women's volleyball game?

The reason that the NCAA is going to play D1 basketball is because they make most of their money for the year from the D1 basketball tournament, and they simply cannot afford to not have that revenue for the second year in a row. If the whole situation collapses and there is no NCAA basketball tournament this spring then by this summer the NCAA as we know it will cease to exist. The NCAA isn't doing this because people like to gamble on college basketball, they are doing it because they want to survive.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Agree with you about not wanting to go sit in an arena full of fans at this juncture.

However, IMHO, no one in authority that I have heard of is proposing filling up the basketball arenas with fans at this point without an effective vaccine available anyway. So, not much of a real risk to the population at large to play games with few, if any, fans present.

About 1/3 of those 220,000 plus deaths were attributable to putting infected people back into nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

Even without a vaccine, much has been learned about treating patients with the disease more effectively and stronger measures will be taken to keep Covid out of nursing homes and assisted living facilities. As a result, my expectation is that we should experience a significantly lower death rate (%) than was experienced last late winter/spring.

Bottom line, IMHO, is that having hoops televised (from empty or thinly attended arenas) shouldn't pose a serious Covid health threat and will actually be good for the mental health of a significant portion of the country's male population.

That still leaves 140,000 non institutionalIzed people dead !

Yes , they‘re learning more everyday , but it’s still crazy out there and I’m not volunteering to take a chance at catching Covid so I can watch a perfectly executed alley op that I could see on tv .

I want to see them play I just don’t think letting a few thousand fans into the arenas is worth the risk of losing the season .

 

[Team_Pitt_Fan]

Cases are at all-time highs and even if we write that off to increased testing of younger people, hospitalizations are getting to dangerous levels in many areas and deaths are creeping back up again.

I don't understand what the rush is for college basketball. A vaccine is supposed to be here by winter. If it were me, I'd begin the college basketball season in February and allow sell-out crowds if proof of a vaccine was provided. March Madness moved to May.

Instead of this, we're going to have a cluster of a season. Games canceled, players missing, no fans. March Madness played in an empty bubble. Just wait a few months.

Yawn

 

[pierre93]

And then the people that do understand it can laugh at someone like you who thinks they understand it when they are actually clueless?

Just out of curiosity, what do you suppose the handle is on your average NCAA women's volleyball game?

The reason that the NCAA is going to play D1 basketball is because they make most of their money for the year from the D1 basketball tournament, and they simply cannot afford to not have that revenue for the second year in a row. If the whole situation collapses and there is no NCAA basketball tournament this spring then by this summer the NCAA as we know it will cease to exist. The NCAA isn't doing this because people like to gamble on college basketball, they are doing it because they want to survive.

If there aren't any fans how can there be any adequate revenue? Betting services more than ever advertise on tv, radio, etc. Betting rules, like it or not now move along pops.

 

[panther.fan]

Your right lets put life on hold forever and ruin our economy for a virus with under a 1% fatality rate. At the rate this is going we may never have a completely effective vaccine (especially if Trump pulls off an upset). Guess what, this virus may be with us forever. It's time to start living life.

While its small in comparison to our other issues, the NCAA will lose a lot of money without a second straight NCAA tournament and they will try everything to avoid that.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

If there aren't any fans how can there be any adequate revenue?

It's as if you don't know that the television networks pay the NCAA in the neighborhood of $800 million per year to broadcast the tournament.

I mean you understand that that amount of money that the NCAA makes from television dwarfs the amount of money they make on ticket sales, right?

Apparently not.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

That still leaves 140,000 non institutionalIzed people dead !

Yes , they‘re learning more everyday , but it’s still crazy out there and I’m not volunteering to take a chance at catching Covid so I can watch a perfectly executed alley op that I could see on tv .

I want to see them play I just don’t think letting a few thousand fans into the arenas is worth the risk of losing the season .

Don't disagree. Fine for me to have games to watch on tv without in person attendance.

Just do not agree with those who don’t think any games should be played until fans can attend in person.


in any event I am optimistic that this go round won’t produce 100k plus deaths.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

in any event I am optimistic that this go round won’t produce 100k plus deaths.

Oh it's gonna be bad. Dallas' ICU was full by the end of September and we haven't even started mitigating in most places.

Media is too preoccupied with the election and of course the government isn't going to bring this up during election season.

 

[NGPittCali]

Oh it's gonna be bad. Dallas' ICU was full by the end of September and we haven't even started mitigating in most places.

Media is too preoccupied with the election and of course the government isn't going to bring this up during election season.

Whatever. What kind of hospital is at full capacity in September? Place must be run by morons. Or there is a flipside to your story. There ya go sunny.

 

[pierre93]

It's as if you don't know that the television networks pay the NCAA in the neighborhood of $800 million per year to broadcast the tournament.

I mean you understand that that amount of money that the NCAA makes from television dwarfs the amount of money they make on ticket sales, right?

Apparently not.

You still dont understand the real reason why games are still trying to be played during a pandemic. Betting is a powerful force but keep believing that it's about tv revenue and fans. Hopefully someday you'll climb out of the tree you live in. Your the one that is laughable.

 

[pittjas]

You still dont understand the real reason why games are still trying to be played during a pandemic. Betting is a powerful force but keep believing that it's about tv revenue and fans. Hopefully someday you'll climb out of the tree you live in. Your the one that is laughable.

... you are clueless buddy. The NCAA doesn’t make any of the $$$ from gambling. And the sportsbooks have no say in whether they play or not.

And even if they did, the $800 million the NCAA gets for March Madness TV rights is WAY more significant than any “gambling money”....

 

[Fsgolfdr]

... you are clueless buddy. The NCAA doesn’t make any of the $$$ from gambling. And the sportsbooks have no say in whether they play or not.

And even if they did, the $800 million the NCAA gets for March Madness TV rights is WAY more significant than any “gambling money”....

Exactly the TV money is what it’s all about so why risk an outbreak to accommodate a few fans ?

 

[pierre93]

... you are clueless buddy. The NCAA doesn’t make any of the $$$ from gambling. And the sportsbooks have no say in whether they play or not.

And even if they did, the $800 million the NCAA gets for March Madness TV rights is WAY more significant than any “gambling money”....

Betting draws 8.5 billion dollars during the ncaa tournament alone compared to 800 million tv rights. You and some others are clueless on how powerful Vegas is.

Americans to bet $8.5 billion on NCAA's 'March Madness' basketball tournament: report

About 47 million people - one in five American adults - are expected to bet a combined $8.5 billion on "March Madness," the annual men's college basketball tournament, a new report said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

 

[pierre93]

Exactly the TV money is what it’s all about so why risk an outbreak to accommodate a few fans ?

TV money lol another clown.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Betting draws 8.5 billion dollars during the ncaa tournament alone compared to 800 million tv rights. You and some others are clueless on how powerful Vegas is.

Americans to bet $8.5 billion on NCAA's 'March Madness' basketball tournament: report

About 47 million people - one in five American adults - are expected to bet a combined $8.5 billion on "March Madness," the annual men's college basketball tournament, a new report said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

How much of that goes to the NCAA?

 

[pierre93]

How much of that goes to the NCAA?

The powers to be only know and the typical joe public can think that the games are played for them. Smh lol

 

[levance2]

Exactly the TV money is what it’s all about so why risk an outbreak to accommodate a few fans ?

The NCAA wants the TV money. The schools want the ticket money.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Betting draws 8.5 billion dollars during the ncaa tournament

None of which goes to the NCAA.

At this point I have to assume that you are just trolling everyone here, because no one can be this dumb, can they?

The NCAA does not stage the basketball tournament so that someone else can make money, they stage the basketball tournament so that they can make money. One wouldn't think that they would need to say something so obvious, but that's apparently where we are.