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Zeldas Open Roof said:
i'd hope my fandom of the steelers would supercede my hatred for psu football IF he came in and immediately succeeded.. but who knows..

lets just hope this doesnt happen. maybe manning or the qb from south carolina would be options if we are going after our franchise qb in 2026..
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I think part of the Pickett disdain stemmed from people thinking he was a reach. At least I know I would feel that way about Allar. As soon as he started to suck, there would be a "See, I told you so" element to it.

If there was some undisputed franchise QB coming out of Penn State and we happened to be in a position to take him, I wouldn't mind it.

Similarly, if we took a guy who went to a rival school later in the draft, I'd root for him. Like, say Pat White had some better pro projections and we took him in the 3rd round. I'd have no problem with it.

I think it's the school + being a reach that puts people over the edge.
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
I think part of the Pickett disdain stemmed from people thinking he was a reach. At least I know I would feel that way about Allar. As soon as he started to suck, there would be a "See, I told you so" element to it.

If there was some undisputed franchise QB coming out of Penn State and we happened to be in a position to take him, I wouldn't mind it.

Similarly, if we took a guy who went to a rival school later in the draft, I'd root for him. Like, say Pat White had some better pro projections and we took him in the 3rd round. I'd have no problem with it.

I think it's the school + being a reach that puts people over the edge.
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later in the draft wouldnt bother me at all. I can honestly say i liked Porter Jr pick. I hated friermuth pick though. but yeah, if a psu or wvu guy comes in and succeeds, a non first rd pick, zero issue with rooting for him, if he succeeds..


i know porter jr was a quasi - first rd pick but i still like it. to be determined if that was a good pick or not. mixed results. I love Frazier at Center, wvu guy.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
words cant describe how hard it would be for me to root for Allar to succeed if this happened.



we all b*tched at wvu and psu fans for not rooting for kenny but i have to fully admit, deep down inside, i'd probably do the same if we drafted Allar in the first round..
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It would be annoying because the same crew that loved to hate on KP would stage a riot to get Allar into the starting lineup. Whatever. At this point it doesn't matter who they throw out there because the rest of the offense is pretty bad. At least with two WR's that just want to run deep, Mason has the arm to unload it to them.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
later in the draft wouldnt bother me at all. I can honestly say i liked Porter Jr pick. I hated friermuth pick though. but yeah, if a psu or wvu guy comes in and succeeds, a non first rd pick, zero issue with rooting for him, if he succeeds..


i know porter jr was a quasi - first rd pick but i still like it. to be determined if that was a good pick or not. mixed results. I love Frazier at Center, wvu guy.
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I think Porter Jr. absolutely sucks. Didn't dislike the pick, but I'm not huge on his play. I think Friermuth is Joe Mid. Disliked the pick and his game. I do like Frazier though.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
words cant describe how hard it would be for me to root for Allar to succeed if this happened.



we all b*tched at wvu and psu fans for not rooting for kenny but i have to fully admit, deep down inside, i'd probably do the same if we drafted Allar in the first round..
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Dude I'm an eagles fan and I rooted like crazy for Saquon this year. I don't care once they go to the NFL.
 
It's honestly amazing that the same people who say...

"Tomlin never had to worry about a QB because he had a HOF QB that put up his 15 best seasons under Tomlin."

Then go on to say...

"Tomlin knows nothing about QBs, he has never had one develop under him. He couldn't hire a good QB coach if his life depended on it."

It takes a special kind of...special to be able to think both of those things at the same time. But I'm sure it was all the coach who coached Ben's worst 3 seasons statistically that should get all the credit. Especially since he's known for previously developing QB studs like...and....and don't forget....
 
CJsE said:
It's honestly amazing that the same people who say...

"Tomlin never had to worry about a QB because he had a HOF QB that put up his 15 best seasons under Tomlin."

Then go on to say...

"Tomlin knows nothing about QBs, he has never had one develop under him. He couldn't hire a good QB coach if his life depended on it."

It takes a special kind of...special to be able to think both of those things at the same time. But I'm sure it was all the coach who coached Ben's worst 3 seasons statistically that should get all the credit. Especially since he's known for previously developing QB studs like...and....and don't forget....
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im not really seeing the issue here. both are absolutely true... Ben didnt develop under tomlin, he developed under good OCs..


Where Tomlin failed later on was his absolute botching of the OC position. It's almost similar to how the best thing Tomlin did early in his career was to let Dick LeBeau run the defense and he stayed far away from that room, let LeBeau do his thing. That worked and that is what a smart and successful coach does, delegates..


but back to the OCs under him, BA, Haley and even Whiz were really good. then for some reason, we pushed Haley out despite him putting up video game numbers, why? Cause his wife got into an argument at a bar?


Oh and yeah, Arians retiring too lol. Yeah, he retired, only to come out of unretirement 6 weeks later when he took another job with another team.

Again, just F'ed up the OC position until it led to such great hires as Fichter, Canada and this current clown..
 
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Even having a losing season wouldn't be a disaster, anything that hurts Tomlin's rep and kills the "no losing seasons" mythology is good! Even if the Rooneys remain too stupid to fire him. and next year is supposed to be a good QB draft year, so a good year to have a higher draft pick. Being 1-13 got them Bradshaw, 6-10 got them Ben, so a bad year wouldn't bother me.
 
CJsE said:
It's honestly amazing that the same people who say...

"Tomlin never had to worry about a QB because he had a HOF QB that put up his 15 best seasons under Tomlin."

Then go on to say...

"Tomlin knows nothing about QBs, he has never had one develop under him. He couldn't hire a good QB coach if his life depended on it."

It takes a special kind of...special to be able to think both of those things at the same time. But I'm sure it was all the coach who coached Ben's worst 3 seasons statistically that should get all the credit. Especially since he's known for previously developing QB studs like...and....and don't forget....
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Ben was already good before Tomlin showed up, Tomlin didn't develop him, Ben developed on his own.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
im not really seeing the issue here. both are absolutely true... Ben didnt develop under tomlin, he developed under good OCs..


Where Tomlin failed later on was his absolute botching of the OC position. It's almost similar to how the best thing Tomlin did early in his career was to let Dick LeBeau run the defense and he stayed far away from that room, let LeBeau do his thing. That worked and that is what a smart and successful coach does, delegates..


but back to the OCs under him, BA, Haley and even Whiz were really good. then for some reason, we pushed Haley out despite him putting up video game numbers, why? Cause his wife got into an argument at a bar?


Oh and yeah, Arians retiring too lol. Yeah, he retired, only to come out of unretirement 6 weeks later when he took another job with another team.

Again, just F'ed up the OC position until it led to such great hires as Fichter, Canada and this current clown..
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Fitchner's first season took Haley's offensive roster, minus All Pro Le'von Bell, and arguably put up the greatest Steelers' offensive performance in forty years. Ben threw for over 5,000 yards and both JuJu and Conner made the Pro Bowl.

His second season saw Ben go down in week 2, a rookie and second year backup replacing him, and his starting running back go down for 8 weeks.

His third season put up 26 points per game with a 38-year-old Ben on their way to 12 wins.

Canada sucked, Arthur Smith...well we'll see after this season but so far he's a C hire, but Fichtner got a bad rap. He guided Ben through nearly a decade of a HOF career but couldn't make up for a crumbling line. Haley was let go because Pittsburgh's HOF QB hated him and because of contract issues. There's a reason Haley's contract with the Browns was reported to be 'significantly higher' than his salary in Pittsburgh.
 
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On a positive note........with Russ and Fields signing those contracts and also Dan Moore, next year the Steelers will get two 3rd rd compensatory picks and one 4th rd.

That's alot of draft capital for a draft held in.....................Pittsburgh.
 
NCanton Panther said:
I think it’s a combination of how many $ they signed for and , not how well they play, but how much they play. As an example, the 3rd rd pick for Wilson could drop to a 5 if he doesn’t play ‘x’ number of games.
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Wilson's deal apparently has a bunch of incentives in it. If he doesn't meet them and ends up getting around the $11 million he is guaranteed then the Stillers will apparently get a 5th round pick. On the other hand, if he does meet most or all of the incentives the Stillers would get a 3rd.
 
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I heard a report tonight on the way home and it was reported Minnesota wants to go with McCarthey, but have not given up on Rodgers. I am hoping drama queen keeps dragging this out and winds up signing in Minnesota.
 
andypappas said:
I heard a report tonight on the way home and it was reported Minnesota wants to go with McCarthey, but have not given up on Rodgers. I am hoping drama queen keeps dragging this out and winds up signing in Minnesota.
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I really think things are setting up for Rogers to announce on the McAfee live show here in Pittsburgh that he is a Steeler
 
But Rodgers and Coach T winked and nodded at each other that one time in a game! Coach T knows best! COACH T! COACH T! COACH T!
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
im not really seeing the issue here. both are absolutely true... Ben didnt develop under tomlin, he developed under good OCs..
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Ben was left hung out to dry with an OL that could run block but wasn't that good in pass pro. They depended on Ben to just take a beating and escape. You could see the befuddlement later in Ben's career when he no longer had the ability to shed defenders or run for his life. But the defense was always well appointed and well paid.
 
andypappas said:
Please no. I really hope he goes to Minnesota. We are at the limit of smug arrogant members of the organization. I couldn't stomach him and tomlin
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We need to roll with Mason so we can lose enough for a real QB.

Folks here have short memories -
I mean by the rational of others , Cowher couldn’t identify QB talent
Bubby, tomczak, Kordell , Maddox - hell Kent graham .

Neil O’Donnell was his more competent one before Ben was drafted at won him a SB .
 
CJsE said:
It might be if they also give up their 3rd round pick and a 3rd round compensatory.
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But shouldn't COACH T (QB Whisperer and Defensive Guru) be able to coach Mason up like he did for Ben, according to you? Then they'll be picking down at 32.
 
I know Jaxson Dart to the Steelers has been gaining more steam in the media, and I really liked the idea since last year. If he's still there when they pick, I would really consider it.
 
Gunga_Galunga said:
I know Jaxson Dart to the Steelers has been gaining more steam in the media, and I really liked the idea since last year. If he's still there when they pick, I would really consider it.
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im seeing now Howard from tOSU is a possible Steeler target. he apparently had a great sr day and said in an interview, he believes steelers interest is genuine..


now take this with a grain of salt. these "reports" are from twitter on accounts run by some guy sitting in his basement wearing a terrible towel as a diaper.

Still interesting if maybe we target one of these second level qbs in the 3rd or 4th round..
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
Still interesting if maybe we target one of these second level qbs in the 3rd or 4th round..
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This approach is still pretty weird to me because the Steelers have so many positions that need to be filled. Wasting a mid or even late round pick on a QB doesn't seem to have much value because you can only start one and you're probably not going to overperform what is cheap and available in the FA market. This was Ben's point when they drafted Rudolph.
 
pittdan77 said:
This approach is still pretty weird to me because the Steelers have so many positions that need to be filled. Wasting a mid or even late round pick on a QB doesn't seem to have much value because you can only start one and you're probably not going to overperform what is cheap and available in the FA market. This was Ben's point when they drafted Rudolph.
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They're infatuated with drafting backup QBs in the 4th/5th round. I never did quite understand this, as you should be able to get some bum in here for something close to the veteran minimum. I guess it's a low-cost investment if you hit big on one of them. Although they were doing this with Ben here, so I can't imagine them thinking some of them would ever be anything with backups.

Josh Dobbs, Landry Jones, Dennis Dixon, Omar Jacobs, Brian St. Pierre, Tee Martin, etc.

But I'd probably rather see Will Howard in the 4th than Jaxson Dart in the 1st. It seems like one of those two routes is inevitable. I honestly don't know a ton about Dart, though, so I could be totally off. Just seems like he kind of came out of nowhere and is creeping up by virtue of the position being so weak in this class.
 
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This approach is still pretty weird to me because the Steelers have so many positions that need to be filled. Wasting a mid or even late round pick on a QB doesn't seem to have much value because you can only start one and you're probably not going to overperform what is cheap and available in the FA market. This was Ben's point when they drafted Rudolph.
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i dont necessarily disagree. that's why i dont want to go first or second rd with a qb like Dart for him to sit on the bench.


a 3rd rd, for a possible QB "of the future" i think could be justified though..
 
TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
They're infatuated with drafting backup QBs in the 4th/5th round. I never did quite understand this, as you should be able to get some bum in here for something close to the veteran minimum. I guess it's a low-cost investment if you hit big on one of them. Although they were doing this with Ben here, so I can't imagine them thinking some of them would ever be anything with backups.

Josh Dobbs, Landry Jones, Dennis Dixon, Omar Jacobs, Brian St. Pierre, Tee Martin, etc.

But I'd probably rather see Will Howard in the 4th than Jaxson Dart in the 1st. It seems like one of those two routes is inevitable. I honestly don't know a ton about Dart, though, so I could be totally off. Just seems like he kind of came out of nowhere and is creeping up by virtue of the position being so weak in this class.
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There were years where drafting a backup was a luxury pick because they had plenty of depth and there weren't big needs for impact players later in the draft. I think the Rudolph pick was the first attempt and looking for a diamond in the rough. It's like someone heard Duzz complaining about the kid from Oklahoma State killing them twice and decided he was the heir apparent or something. Ben got blasted for being pissed about the pick but in retrospect, he was 100% correct. Now, I think they're just fishing and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.
 
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Zeldas Open Roof said:
i dont necessarily disagree. that's why i dont want to go first or second rd with a qb like Dart for him to sit on the bench.


a 3rd rd, for a possible QB "of the future" i think could be justified though..
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But isn't that what Rudolph is supposed to be? Honestly, I don't even know if the franchise believes it needs a "QB of the future" because they're still trying to get Rogers to sign so they can win right now. Just like what Wilson and Trubisky were supposed to be.
 
Zeldas Open Roof said:
Rodgers running his own offense while tomlin and Arthur smith sit on the sidelines and in the booth wondering what the hell is going on, might be worth it
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I'd love that, it's what the offense needs, removal of all input from Tomlin
 
guys, we need to get a backup QB somewhere. you cant roll into 2025 with Rudolph and Skylar Thompson. if we dont draft a qb then that means you are getting a FA, there arent many left..
 
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